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<runxiyu_>
Is there anything I should/could do for GPU timeout nya's?
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<ml|>
Hello, how well does asahi run on a mac mini mi max?
<ml|>
m1*
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<j`ey>
ml|: runs wel
<j`ey>
well
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<ml|>
j`ey: Which distro are you using?
<j`ey>
Fedora
<ml|>
Have any idea if the same is true when using Debian?
<j`ey>
I dont think it's as polished as Fedora, but I know there's a bunch of people using it
<ml|>
Ok, thank you. Which mac are running asahi on?
<j`ey>
m2 air
<ml|>
are you*
<ml|>
Need to decide whether to build a new PC, get a mac mini m1 max with 64GB of RAM.
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<leio>
fwiw, my argument for getting a M2 Ultra was for the completely silent horsepower, to the point I'm complaining about monitor coil whines instead now. That might not be an argument for everyone, given the higher costs
<ml|>
Yes, that is one of my considerations. Power usage, noise, form factor.
<ml|>
What holds me back are: upgrades and linux support.
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<ml|>
Looking at something like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/196879578240 Or a PC which will have similar specs, but will be bigger, noisier and use more power.
<ml|>
Also considered a new M4 mac mini. But that will not run linux on bare metal for a while. Though have also considered using mac OS, using the terminal. I prefer using the terminal for most things, with xmonad[tiling wm].
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<fl0_id>
ml| personally I also try not to upgrade too often. so hoping to get at least 5 years from this machine. then maybe upgrades are less relevant (if you don't get a entry level model)
<ml|>
fl0_id: Yes, I do not upgrade very often why getting a lot of ram on a Mac. This PC is about 8 years old, looking at my options at the moment.
<fl0_id>
ml| and I would say really depends on your use case. for me it was that I couldn't get this amount of ram and quietness in a similar form factor or just at all. Like the same amount of vram with nvidia gpus, while more capable, would not even fit in a workstation or would need like a 15k server card
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<ml|>
Agreed, what keeps me considering a PC is possible upgrades and linux support.
<fl0_id>
ml| well, that then seems very much in favour of pc :) esp if you don't need a laptop
<ml|>
Yes, the Apple hardware is hard to pass up tho. Why keep going back and forth :)
<fl0_id>
yeah, if you don't need linux right now, I would get an m4
<fl0_id>
ml| there is no right answer.
<fl0_id>
depends on what you like
<ml|>
Yeah.
<fl0_id>
f.e. me I got an m3 mbp but with knowing there is a good possibility of linux support at some point. and until then I'm fine using macos and vms
<ml|>
Any experience with terminal usage on Mac OS/
<ml|>
*?
<fl0_id>
esp as I sometimes need proprietary software anyway that would be a pain to use through vms/wine on linux
<fl0_id>
ml| yes lots
<fl0_id>
and I can only recommend installing gnu versions / non-apple versions through homebrew or maybe nix, then it's almost like linux
<ml|>
Great, how would you compare it to linux terminal?
<fl0_id>
otherwise you get some bsd utils that are a bit dfiferent
<fl0_id>
ml| you can configure it to your liking and it's very similar. some devices / special stuff is different of course.
<fl0_id>
though on a new machine you might have to give permissions et first
<fl0_id>
you can have all your dotfiles
<ml|>
Ok, can for example run 'mpv' in a terminal an work just like in linux; play a file, etc..?
<fl0_id>
yes, if it's in your path
<ml|>
Nice.
<fl0_id>
you can manage path like on linux through .profile or .bashrc
<fl0_id>
(ok standard is zsh now, but i still use bash)
<fl0_id>
I think I also upgraded bash from homebrew, as the shipped one was too old for sth)
<ml|>
I prefer zsh and zsh is default on Mac OS.
<fl0_id>
yeah sure.
<ml|>
How do you compare howbrew to nix?
<ml|>
*homebrew
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<fl0_id>
for opening file with a connected gui program there is also `open <some document>` which is sometimes nice
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<fl0_id>
ml| I have not really used much nix myself, but I know others who use it. For me nix is just more hassle. When upgrading from my hackintosh I just transfered everything and it mostly just worked, except having to reinstall some thing and changing the homebrew prefix (as it changed between macos versions)
<ml|>
Hmm, so perhaps getting a M4 mac mini and using the terminal is a viable solution.
<fl0_id>
ml| if you are not married to xmonad. I use a tiling app like rectangle
<fl0_id>
but it's not proper tiling i guess
<ml|>
Yes, that is the hardest change for me.
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<ml|>
Is it possible to define a keybind to run a command in a terminal. And call up terminals at will?
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<fl0_id>
ml| this depends mostly on your terminal app
<fl0_id>
like on linux there are different ones
<fl0_id>
I use iterm2 which has a lot of features. like quake style terminal.
<ml|>
alacritty is available on mac. What recently switched to, from rxvt.
<fl0_id>
oh and on some keyboards I switch aroudn ctrl and super or things like that, to have the same positions on all keys
<fl0_id>
ml| yes
<fl0_id>
I have it but didn't use it much
<fl0_id>
I'm sure you could do a global hotkey
<fl0_id>
but never tried that
<ml|>
I find it to be very nice change from urxvt
<ml|>
Right now can call different terminals for different uses, with alacritty and tmux. Using keybings defined in xmonad.
<ml|>
With the terminals at different sizes.
<fl0_id>
there's probably a solution for that, but not sure what's best. I think with iterm2 you can have different profiles that you can bind to a key combo. but not sure if they automatically go to the same position.
<fl0_id>
there might also be a builtin or addon way to do it, not sure
<fl0_id>
oh or you can have different spaces/screens
<fl0_id>
that works for sure
<fl0_id>
that one app is always in the same "space"
<fl0_id>
like a different desktop on linux
<ml|>
Good, usually just use about 5 worksapces here of the available 9.
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<ml|>
But, the ability to call up terminals in whatever worksapce working in is a time saver, IMHO.
<fl0_id>
ml| yeah for sure. I mean I just either leave the relevant ones open or if I need a new one switch to terminal app then cmd + n
<ml|>
And can even move the fixed terminals with keybinds, from one workspace to another.
<ml|>
Yes, just my current habits for years now.
<fl0_id>
I use rectangle for that. though not sure if fixed. though I mostly use it to move between monitors, so I do not use spaces that much
<ml|>
Which can change them, but having to relearn new ways is abit of a pasin;)
<ml|>
*a bit *pain
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<fl0_id>
ml| yeah i get it
<ml|>
Talking with you about this, has made me realize that perhaps setting up an M1 or M2 with linux. Might be the way for me to go, over an M4.
<fl0_id>
ml| sounds good!
<fl0_id>
happy to help, yeah sometimes talking through helps
<fl0_id>
for me it was less change b/c for some time before I had a hackintosh
<ml|>
fl0_id: Thank You, for your help. You answered some question I had.
<ml|>
fl0_id: Really appreciated.
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<ml|>
I did use Mac OS long ago in the OS X early days, before switching to Linux.
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<ml|>
fl0_id: Would you say that M2 is well supported as the M1?
<j`ey>
yep
<ml|>
j`ey: Thank You.
<ml|>
j`ey: What would you say you miss support with either the M[1-2]?
<fl0_id>
mic support is a software issue from what I know
<fl0_id>
i.e. that they want to give good mic support
<j`ey>
ml|: what leio said
* leio
uses a headset anyways
<ml|>
Ok, wish that the Thunderbolt ports would work :)
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<fl0_id>
leio for me sometimes on macos the builtin mic gives better sound then many headsets. so sometimes used headphones but builtin mic
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<chaos_princess>
since you mentioned xmonad - asahi really strongly suggests using a wayland-based compositor and not x, and i do not think there is a wayland version of that
<chaos_princess>
there are technical reasons why x11 will never work as well
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<ml|>
chaos_princess: Ah, good point. Yes, xmonad does not currently work in wayland.
<chaos_princess>
there is something called "rootful xwayland", which may or may not work as well, or better or worse, and may or may not be a solution for xmonad and other x11 specific things
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<ml|>
Will looking into that, thanks
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