#asahi on 2024-12-11 — irc logs at oftc.irclog.whitequark.org

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00:09 <j`ey> charnam24: I asked on the asahi fedora matrix, and they said maybe the libtiff needs to be rebuilt, and you should file a bug (but you need to make an account for that..)

00:12 <j`ey> (at least I think you need an account)

00:12 <j`ey> I also asked if anyone else was hitting the issue

00:16 <charnam24> thank you, but i'm not sure what the cause of the bug could be

00:17 <charnam24> i know there are issues with libtiff and libjpeg combining but i don't know what the issues are

00:18 <charnam24> what version of libtiff should i download? i could try rebuilding it if it would fix my issue

00:25 <Calandracas> libtiff has a bunch of optional dependencies at build time

00:27 <Calandracas> but if its failing to load a symbol in libjpeg, maybe there's something wrong with your libjpeg

00:27 <Calandracas> or your version of libjpeg

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00:28 <Calandracas> I'm not on fedora, but LIBJPEG_6.2 seems weird

00:29 <Calandracas> nm -D --demangle /usr/lib/libjpeg.so | grep -i jpeg12_read_raw_data

00:29 <Calandracas> 000000000001f330 T jpeg12_read_raw_data@@LIBJPEG_8.0

00:32 <Calandracas> my libjpeg is has soname libjpeg.so.8

00:32 <Calandracas> but it looks like your is libjpeg.so.62, which maybe is normal on fedora idk, looks really weird to me though

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00:55 <charnam24> hello, i am back

00:55 <charnam24> i tried compiling libtiff from source, and installing that, but it did not do anything

00:56 <Calandracas> what command are you running that is failing?

00:56 <charnam24> spectacle

00:56 <charnam24> or blender

00:57 <charnam24> a lot of programs do not run

00:57 <Calandracas> so do LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/your/libtiff.so blender

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00:58 <charnam24> ah, it seems that works with spectacle

00:59 <charnam24> unfortunately blender still does not work

00:59 <Calandracas> same error with blender?

00:59 <charnam24> new errror is with "/lib64/libgdal.so.34: undefined symbol: jpeg12_read_scanlines, version LIBJPEG_6.2"

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00:59 <Calandracas> yeah pretty sure your problem is with libjpeg, not libtiff

00:59 <charnam24> forgot at the beginning: "blender: symbol lookup error"

00:59 <charnam24> yes

01:00 <charnam24> i can't find the source for libjpeg

01:00 <charnam24> libtiff was easy but libjpeg there are multiple versions it seems like. could be my search engine but i don't know

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01:00 <Calandracas> have you installed anything on your system using a method other than the package manager?

01:01 <Calandracas> also, what's the output of ls -l /usr/lib/libjpeg*

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01:01 <charnam24> i probably have, a few times, since fedora / aarch64 doesn't support a lot of things i use and i need to compile them from source

01:02 <Calandracas> and have you installed them all to /usr/local ?

01:02 <charnam24> i'm not sure, i usually use whatever the install command is for building/installing whatever it is i'm using

01:02 <charnam24> i don't usually copy files manually

01:03 <charnam24> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 16 2024 /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 -> libjpeg.so.8

01:03 <charnam24> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 466568 May 16 2024 /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.8

01:03 <charnam24> ls -l /usr/lib/libjpeg*

01:05 <Calandracas> /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 -> libjpeg.so.8 looks a bit weird to me, but it might be fine idk

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01:07 <Calandracas> nm -D /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.8 | grep read_scanlines

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01:08 <charnam24> 0000000000028f14 T jpeg_read_scanlines@@LIBJPEG_6.2

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01:17 <Calandracas> looks like there's build options for libjpeg abi versions: https://github.com/libjpeg-turbo/libjpeg-turbo/blob/9758c8a74ceb6ee7d4f8350fa2767fdc5b2bad2a/CMakeLists.txt#L330

01:17 <Calandracas> this is super off topic at this point though

01:17 <charnam24> not sure where else to discuss or ask about these things, to be honest. asahi chat has usually been very helpful with even slightly off-topic system-related issues

01:19 <Calandracas> what this suggests to me is that blender, libtiff, spectacle have been built against a different (newer?) version of libjpeg than what is currently installed on your system

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01:19 <charnam24> i have thought that for a while but i just don't know how to fix the issue

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01:21 <Calandracas> i don't know what packages you've installed, or how fedora packages libjpeg (libjpeg-turbo), or if you've mangled your system by manually installing packages and clobbered system packages.

01:21 <Calandracas> so i don't really have anything else to help with

01:22 <charnam24> upsetting i can't use a bunch of apps on my system because of libjpeg

01:22 <charnam24> maybe i'll figure out how to build libjpeg

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01:24 <Calandracas> look here: https://github.com/libjpeg-turbo/libjpeg-turbo

01:24 <Calandracas> https://github.com/libjpeg-turbo/libjpeg-turbo/blob/main/BUILDING.md

01:25 <charnam24> this is the package i installed which didn't do anything

01:26 <charnam24> i thought it was the wrong thing because the releases page said "3.0.4" instead of something higher like 8 or 6.2

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01:26 <charnam24> i will try it though

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01:29 <Calandracas> its pretty normal for libraries sonames to be different from their "version"

01:29 <Calandracas> its done for compatibility reasons

01:31 <Calandracas> usually the soname only changes when there has been breaking changes to a library

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01:31 <charnam24> i did it

01:31 <charnam24> i compiled it

01:32 <charnam24> and i put the files in my /usr/lib

01:32 <charnam24> everything works i think

01:32 <Calandracas> noooo

01:32 <charnam24> blender started

01:32 <charnam24> why nooo

01:32 <Calandracas> never ever copy things into /usr/lib unless you absolute 100% certainly know what you are doing

01:32 <charnam24> it seems to have fixed my problem

01:33 <charnam24> and i always make sure to keep copies of the original files i removed from their homes so i can fix the issue if it was critical

01:33 <Calandracas> copy things into /usr/local/lib{64}

01:33 <charnam24> i see

01:33 <Calandracas> or use the cmake install option

01:33 <charnam24> makes sense, then, i didn't think about local/lib

01:33 <charnam24> seems to have worked fine though

01:34 <Calandracas> things under /usr are to be managed by your distribution (fedora)

01:34 <Calandracas> /usr/local is for things managaged by the "local" administrator (you)

01:34 <charnam24> interesting

01:35 <Calandracas> your distribution puts a lot of time and effort into making sure that things don't break, and making any changes in /usr probably will break things

01:36 <Calandracas> again, i don't know what happended to your libjpeg, but presumably at some point you've copied something into /usr/lib and it broke it

01:36 <charnam24> i think it should be fine in this case since it is just libjpeg, but useful for future reference. i might copy them to both directories in case fedora decides to mess things up

01:37 <Calandracas> if your libjpeg is from may 16, as you mentioned previously, I would assume that reinstalling would fix it maybe

01:37 <charnam24> i did try reinstalling it

01:37 <charnam24> maybe editing /usr/lib was the problem

01:38 <charnam24> does searching there come before /usr/local/lib or something

01:38 <Calandracas> if the file says May 16, you probably didn't re-installing correctly

01:38 <charnam24> i think may 16 could possibly have been when i was trying to get a version of libjpeg installed a while ago, but at the time it didn't harm anything

01:39 <Calandracas> i think (not sure) that the dynamic linker prioritizes /usr/local/lib before /usr/lib

01:39 <charnam24> i would have mentioned that earlier but i have basically no memory of exactly what i did at that point, i only know what my end goal was (getting a program to compile properly)

01:39 <Calandracas> the LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable also plays a part

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01:40 <charnam24> yes, i knew it was an environment variable, but i always forget that one

01:40 <Calandracas> and the LD_PRELOAD I mentioned earlier forces the dynamic linker to load a file first

01:40 <Calandracas> anyways, if the file says May 16, I think you haven't re-installed properly

01:41 <charnam24> i don't think it matters too much at this point, the problem is solved in my opinion

01:41 <Calandracas> again, I'm not on fedora, and am unfamilir with dnf, so i don't know what the correct command would be

01:41 <charnam24> but if you are curious, i did try reinstalling libjpeg-turbo with sudo dnf reinstall libjpeg-turbo or something similar

01:41 <Calandracas> if you're happy then great

01:42 <charnam24> the suggestion of no longer copying to /usr/lib is something i will remember for the future, it's just a path i remember using and i type it in without thinking too much, but this conversation will probably make me think more about it in the future

01:42 <charnam24> speaking of off-topic...

01:42 <charnam24> lol

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01:44 <Calandracas> if you're using cmake, usually "ninja install" will install things to the right place "/usr/local"

01:45 <charnam24> libjpeg's install told me to specify a directory and i didn't want to mess with things like that

01:45 <charnam24> when i ran make it created libjpeg.so.x and i didn't run install because i just specified "./install" for the install path

01:46 <charnam24> so copying manually was easier

01:46 <charnam24> a lot of the time, though, i usually do run the built-in command for it, like sudo make install, etc

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14:35 <fl0_id> charnam24 some software also uses /opt/bin or similar, with opt often being for third party or proprietary things. If I want things just as a user, I often put things into ~/bin and add that to my path, or things like go binaries will be in ~/.go/bin or something I think, and things installed through sth like pipx under ~/.local/bin (afaik)

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17:52 <Juest> okay i successfully installed the kde version onto the m1 mac

17:52 <Juest> ill get a irc client going over there for steps

17:52 <Juest> later

17:52 <Juest> some other day, im not too comfortable with kde

17:52 <Juest> its not bad but gnome is worse lol and im very used to x11 :(

17:57 <Juest> chadmed: excuse me, is there any prebuilt package of asahi-audio with mic branch or is it easy/simple to build by oneself?

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18:02 <chaos_princess> the mic branch is not for your machine so that will not help

18:03 <chaos_princess> you also need the kernel dev branch first too

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18:10 <Juest> oh shoot, okay thanks chaos_princess

18:10 <Juest> what machine is it for?

18:11 <Juest> machines*

18:11 <chaos_princess> j415 iirc

18:11 <Juest> so, m1 mba microphone is not ready yet but it would go there?

18:11 <chaos_princess> yes

18:11 <Juest> i thought j415 got pushed in there

18:11 <chaos_princess> your is j313

18:11 <Juest> oh okay

18:12 <Juest> hmmmm

18:12 <Juest> what's the blocker for this again?

18:12 <chaos_princess> https://oftc.irclog.whitequark.org/asahi/2024-12-09#33824126;

18:13 <Juest> i unfortunately prefer xfce which hasnt gone wayland yet

18:13 <Juest> and the x11 classics

18:15 <Juest> ah right thanks chaos_princess, i offered for help with the calibration, do i just take asahi-audio mics branch and adjust accordingly?

18:15 <chaos_princess> pmuch

18:16 <Juest> can do, hence my question about installing asahi-audio with mics to customize

18:17 <chaos_princess> clone the repo, run make install, should in theory do the thing

18:17 <Juest> umm is it possible to vm or chroot to the asahi install from macos?

18:17 <chaos_princess> the short answer is no

18:18 <Juest> vm method should do it but i need to target multiple partitions?

18:18 <Juest> UTM can?

18:18 <Juest> are there good fuse/drivers for linux fs on macos?

18:18 <Juest> sorry for asking offtopic questions

18:19 <Juest> the goal is accessing asahi from macos here

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18:19 <chaos_princess> ext4fuse exists, can't say if it is good

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18:34 <fl0_id> Juest I use paragon extfs. it's proprietary but pretty stable. if you really need it

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18:37 <fl0_id> oh and they have apfs for linux too. for smaller things the foss apfs-fuse should probably be fine...

18:38 <Juest> fl0_id: ah cool, can't afford it tho

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21:36 <runxiyu_> https://runxiyu.org/lockup.txt

21:36 <runxiyu_> I've been getting things that felt like GPU lockups

21:36 <runxiyu_> Happened again today, I checked dmesg, got the above

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