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<Mis012[m]>
would it be legally viable to have someone clean room reverse engineer a binary blob (with debugging symbols maybe) that implement's HDMI's "secret sauce" bullshit, and then write a driver?
<Mis012[m]>
I think it's imperative that HDMI gets a fat middle finger
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<FL4SHK[m]>
<Mis012[m]> "I think it's imperative that..." <- same
<Mis012[m]>
it was supposed to be a formality, surely they don't actually have the legal power to do anything unless an NDA is broken
<FL4SHK[m]>
I think it's only if they have a patent or something
<FL4SHK[m]>
at least, under US law. I'm not sure what the specifics are though.
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<Mis012[m]>
a patent is literally the opposite of an NDA
<Mis012[m]>
would be hard to argue that someone is exposing their secrets if they had to put them in the patent by law
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<FL4SHK[m]>
<Mis012[m]> "would be hard to argue that..." <- right
<FL4SHK[m]>
that's very much true
<FL4SHK[m]>
I'm not very familiar with IP law
<FL4SHK[m]>
Not a lawyer
<FL4SHK[m]>
I'm just a hardware/software engineer
<FL4SHK[m]>
I'm good at both of those kinds of engineering :)
<FL4SHK[m]>
Actually, I have a degree in mechanical engineering, but I've never used that stuff much besides 3D printing
<FL4SHK[m]>
My master's degree was in electrical engineering though.
<FL4SHK[m]>
that and I have an associate's in science
<FL4SHK[m]>
I forgot about that degree until just now.
<FL4SHK[m]>
Those are my three degrees
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<topendnick>
Mis012[m]: is funny, fat middle finger, lol.
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<karolherbst>
Mis012[m]: no, because it's not a closed source issue, but a patent one
<karolherbst>
probably...
<Mis012[m]>
since when does a patent allow them to sue someone for publishing source code for a driver
<Mis012[m]>
that makes no sense
<karolherbst>
nobody would be able to use it out of the box really
<karolherbst>
and the drivers for which it matters, can't publish the chagnes anyway
<Mis012[m]>
my guess is that the only teeth they have is an NDA
<karolherbst>
AMD devs have access to the HDMI 2.1 spec, but AMD are the only one impacted by this in the first place
<Mis012[m]>
well, nothing stops AMD from releasing something that's accidentally easier to RE
<karolherbst>
the issue isn't to RE anything
<Mis012[m]>
AMD can't publish the code because they signed an NDA
<karolherbst>
yeah, but AMD won't merge those changes
<karolherbst>
even if somebody REs it
<Mis012[m]>
but if someone else wrote the code then HDMI would need to have an actual case
<Mis012[m]>
can have Linus merge it if AMD's lawyers don't want to touch it
<karolherbst>
I doubt Linus would
<Mis012[m]>
depends if HDMI has a case
<Mis012[m]>
I'm not sure they do
<karolherbst>
they probably have
<Mis012[m]>
they have NDA
<karolherbst>
and patents
<Mis012[m]>
they don't expect anyone to get pissed enough to write the code without docs
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<karolherbst>
I think you underestimate what kinda of a PITA group HDMI is
<karolherbst>
anyway, it's an AMD only issue so far in the first place, so you kinda have to ask AMD devs what they'd do
<Mis012[m]>
well, someone needs to ask a lawyer if HDMI has a case if they can't claim breach of NDA
<karolherbst>
as I said, it's pretty irrelevant if AMD won't merge those patches, so then it depends on distributions to carry those patches and if they want to mess with HDMI and then we'll arrive in the same situation as we are with things like h.264 today
<karolherbst>
AMD would have to revert HDMI 2.1 support, because otherwise AMD devs wouldn't be able to touch that code anymore
<karolherbst>
it's really pointless to consider it
<Mis012[m]>
don't think that holds if the code was completely legal
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<karolherbst>
they can neither fix, nor maintain the code
<karolherbst>
because they are NDA
<karolherbst>
(under
<Mis012[m]>
maintenance would probably be fine
<karolherbst>
"probably" is not an argument
<karolherbst>
you can ask AMD maintainers
<karolherbst>
and they'll probably tell you "no"
<karolherbst>
anything else doesn't matter one bit in this discussion
<Mis012[m]>
I assume their answer would depend on the legal implications, and I wasn't able to even find any relevant patents to confirm if they exist so I was hoping someone here would have a better idea
<HdkR>
The better idea is to stick the implementation in a blob like NVIDIA does, so the kernel doesn't need to care about royalty problems :P
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<HdkR>
I think Intel as well? Since they're all DP or something and then a chip on-board does all the work for DP->HDMI?
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