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<ScottD> From earlier, talking about how to boot BeOS these days. This works great! https://john-millikin.com/running-beos-5-in-qemu-i386
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<rennj> works on vmware, sound,nic,vesa
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<rennj> sound has the jitter issue
<rennj> https://imgur.com/AzBsQbA phone on the laptop, now i just need mic/headphone headset.
<rennj> i bet 86box emulator could run beos
<rennj> not as nice as vmware, but more feature like 3dfx card
<rennj> https://imgur.com/AjT8lID wrp beos netpositive doing https
<rennj> https://github.com/tenox7/wrp web rendering proxy
<rennj> chrome/headless mode fetches the pages
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<andreasdr[m]> Hi milek7_
<andreasdr[m]> Any news about ARM? <3
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<LinuxUserHaiku> @Begasus hi!
<Begasus> hi LinuxUserHaiku
<Begasus> g'monring peeps
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<netposit1ve> morning
<LinuxUserHaiku> @netpositive morning
<LinuxUserHaiku> afternoon
<Begasus> morning netposit1ve
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<rennj> https://imgur.com/AjT8lID wrp beos netpositive doing https
<rennj> i got your netpositive huckleberry
<rennj> Begasus, https://imgur.com/AzBsQbA android scrcp/adb on laptop
<rennj> control phone from laptop
<rennj> all i need is headset with microphone/ear buds
<rennj> wired cause my phone has 3.5" jack still
<Begasus> nice rennj
<rennj> crapple,winblows,linux need android debug bridge/adb
<rennj> i bet the qemu-arm android sdk/ndk could probably do something similar
<Begasus> don't know if we have some android api yet for Haiku
<rennj> sms txt is easy with real keyboard and mouse
<rennj> platform-tools_r33.0.3-linux.zip is the compiled software google provides
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<rennj> get bunch of files from google https://termbin.com/qxbj
<rennj> and scrcpy is meson/ninja
<rennj> for the build
<rennj> i did for 2019 slackware
<rennj> heh
<rennj> from source
<rennj> Small. Fast. Reliable. Choose Any Three. Using SQLite
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<rennj> i got termux on phone setup with vim clang mosh/tmux-openssh,curl, and busybox
<rennj> compiled helloworld.c other day on phone so i was happy
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<Begasus> g'morning jmairboeck
<jmairboeck> good morning Begasus
<Begasus> You can tell if people do PR's if they did a check on 32bit or not :)
<rennj> dead jim!
<rennj> backward compat
<rennj> cause 768MB of ram rocked
<rennj> even my 32bit solaris and freebsd had 4GB limit without PAE support
<jmairboeck> for the smaller packages I do that but not for big ones (like texlive) because my 32 bit VM is not that big. So I'm glad you do that Begasus.
<Begasus> no problem jmairboeck :)
<rennj> geany can read those files?
<rennj> bet its smaller
<Begasus> tex files?
<rennj> isnt tex part of the geany 50files support foobar
<rennj> languages/files
<rennj> plugins perhaps..
<Begasus> it's supported yes, did a quick check with it on the example.tex file -> pdf
<rennj> i did a nice fail comile of geany today, cause i messed the configure gtk 2/3 choice for libvte
<rennj> i did a nice fail compile of geany today, cause i messed the configure gtk 2/3 choice for libvte
<rennj> meh..perhaps tomorrow
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<Begasus> already in the depot
<rennj> this was on 2019/linsux
<rennj> hehe
<Begasus> )
<Begasus> ;)
<Begasus> k, let's check capnproto PR now
<rennj> i dont have tex live around
<rennj> what im saying
<Begasus> ah, not many on Haiku also, as not all can be installed though pkgman ...
<rennj> my slackware compile vm is 2019 foobar, but almost sure i dont have tex installed
<rennj> but geany my skin that cat..is what im saying
<rennj> import read/ export?
<rennj> but geany might skin that cat..is what im saying
<rennj> with way less disk usage
<rennj> lexers it provides
<rennj> geany had whole directory compiled i think common-plugins
<Begasus> Think I even have a recipe here for the themes
<rennj> sad to see those --disable-'s
<rennj> markdown,multiterm,treebrowser
<Begasus> I think there were some issues when building it, been a while :)
<rennj> oh im sure
<rennj> if it isnt crapple,m$,linsux
<rennj> hehe
<Begasus> think that other OS's also disabled them (or some)
<rennj> you are on your own
<Begasus> ;)
<jmairboeck> about the deduplication of "any" packages: is this a problem of haikuporter (buildmaster), infrastructure, or Sys-Admin in Trac? (i.e. where should I create a ticket?)
<Begasus> I think at haikuporter jmairboeck
<Begasus> If there isn't one already
<rennj> haiku need to get on pkgsrc
<rennj> https://pkgsrc.smartos.org/ get added to the buildbot
<rennj> Install Binary Packages or go source
<rennj> just like all the bsd's and such
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<rennj> 22 os's i think they got abstraction going on
<Begasus> no idea there, I'll leave that up to the masters :)
<rennj> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pkgsrc haiku is on the list
<rennj> beta4 im going to try it out for sure
<rennj> Haiku January 2010
<rennj> heh testing!!!
<rennj> Use one package manager across all of your systems!
<Begasus> err ... we have "pkgman"
<rennj> pkgsrc is what ill use
<rennj> probably only be good for cli apps
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] autocommitter pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56542] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=082d1bcdcfd2+%5Ea180a40b63b3
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 082d1bcdcfd2 - Update translations from Pootle
<jmairboeck> I didn't find an issue in either of the 3 places, so I'll create a new one at haikuporter
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<jmairboeck> btw. having both infrastructure issues on Github and the Sys-Admin component in Trac feels a bit redundant for me. Is there a distinction of which is for what issues?
<PulkoMandy> I think you can use the trac sysadmin component for everything
<PulkoMandy> that's what I would do, at least
<LinuxUserHaiku> @PulkoMandy hi!
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<Begasus> just received the email about it jmairboeck :)
<Begasus> +1
<Begasus> I'm guessing a lot of packages would benifit from it and save server space
<Begasus> So in the end maybe we would gain instead of increase volume there :)
<Begasus> one thought, if x86_64 would be used to build them, would it still be possible to build them localy for 32bit?
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<jmairboeck> yes, otherwise, using "any" would be wrong
<Begasus> ok ;) would be wrong indeed, and I'd have to switch everytime to check there ;)
<jmairboeck> the same package should come out of a recipe, regardless which system it is built on
<jmairboeck> otherwise it isn't really an "any" package
<Begasus> tests crash on libsoup 3.2.1 ...
<jmairboeck> such packages don't contain architecture-specific (compiled) code, only data files or interpreted scripts
<matt3> i like pascal becouse it put libraries in the exe => build the exe with inside the libs
<Begasus> most python recipes are any, quite a few data packages around too, header only packages ...
<matt3> ie : uses graph ...
<jmairboeck> byte-code is okay though (like python .pyc files or java classes and jars), because they still need a runtime environment to run
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<jmairboeck> headers would be problematic, I think, or does the secondaryArch gcc also use the pimary headers directory?
<jmairboeck> otherwise headers must be in develop/headers/x86 for 32 bit secondaryArch
<Begasus> don't think so, but I know there are some header only packages
<jmairboeck> so you can't use "any" for those
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<Begasus> would need to check those, but that's not that important atm :)
<Begasus> looking at websocketpp it's using all instead of any, so strike my comment on the headers only packages :)
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<jmairboeck> "all" is the complete opposite :)
<Begasus> I know :)
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<Begasus> jmairboeck, is it possible to disable "some" of the subpackages for texlive?
<jmairboeck> we could remove the source and documentation packages but I am not sure if we should or are allowed to by the license
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<Begasus> checked, without the source packages the volume is about the same
<Begasus> so not really gaining space without them
<jmairboeck> the biggest part is the documentation, we could exclude these
<jmairboeck> i.e. all the texlive_*_doc packages
<Begasus> now that saves space! :)
<Begasus> now 1.79 GiB
<Begasus> for the suite
<jmairboeck> but that would be not so nice for the users, I usually prefer to have the documentation available offline
<Begasus> doc packages 2.58 GiB in total
<jmairboeck> even if nowadays the most useful resource is tex.stackexchange.com :)
<jmairboeck> similar to stackoverflow for software development
<Begasus> granted, but it could trigger enabling the recipe ;)
<Begasus> and the are not "required" to have a working environment
<Begasus> as in, I haven't got them installed :)
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<Begasus> source packages (39) only 140.50 MiB
<jmairboeck> changes that would be needed are changing "tlpdbopt_install_docfiles 1" to 0 in texlive.profile and removing all the docfiles stuff from createSubpackageInfos.pl and rerunning it. But I haven't tested this yet. Maybe something else will break then
<Begasus> without the source package I get 1.66 GiB (45 packages) for the suite
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<jmairboeck> or you could remove the relevant parts from subpackageInfos.sh directly if you are more comfortable doing that
<Begasus> Maybe it's possible to add a seperate doc packages recipe for those? (just thinking out loud)
<Begasus> that could be disabled ...
<jmairboeck> that would be mostly a copy of the other one really, this comes from the same sources, and it would have to delete the runtime files after installing them, which would be rather inefficient to build
<Begasus> strike that then ;)
<jmairboeck> lilypond for example would be more feasible to do something like that, in fact in OpenSUSE we have a separate lilypond-doc package, because even though it still uses the same sources, its documentation can be built using an installed version of lilypond as well. But for the Haiku recipe I didn't bother to do it that way, because using one recipe is still simpler.
<jmairboeck> but the texlive recipe actually doesn't really build anything, it is nearly 100% "installation" that it does
<Begasus> looking at the scripts it shouldn't be so difficult to remove the doc packages from the recipe (just giving it a look)
<jmairboeck> I have never tried an installation with "tlpdbopt_install_docfiles 0" or the like, so it could be that something is broken
<Begasus> worth investigating, but would be for later
<Begasus> good thing I still have the downloads :)
<Begasus> heading out to the grandchildren
<Begasus> cu later!
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<matt3> vademecum ...
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/be0bd977ca05...a74ecce7a080
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] davidkaroly a74ecce - wxqt: bump to version 3.1.7 (#7314)
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<BrunoSpr> hi all
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<Begasus> re
<_Dario_> hi Begasus
<Begasus> hi _Dario_
<Begasus> jmairboeck, checking out a build atm without the doc packages enabled, so far it's running install
<jmairboeck> Begasus: did you actually re-run the script or did you edit subpackageInfos.sh manually?
<Begasus> edit manually
<Begasus> and then started a build with haikuporter
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<Begasus> 'lo cocobean
<cocobean> Hi Begasus: Can U kick off a blender3 build when you have a moment?
<cocobean> House full of kids today?
<Begasus> doing a check for texlive atm, so not really able to check up on blender :)
<Begasus> nah, not more then usual ;)
<Begasus> Working full-time again, so don't have as much time during the week
<Begasus> And in the weekend time is devided with grandchildren, dogschool and Haiku :)
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<Begasus> signing off here
<Begasus> will report back in the morning
<Begasus> cu peeps!
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<BrunoSpr> hi all
<BrunoSpr> @begasus I just sent you the test tex files to your e-mail account
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<ScottD> My confused brain is back. I have a cross-toolchain to build Haiku/BeOS apps from Linux but can't seem to get it to work. Autotools configure complains that it cannot find crti.o which is in my LDFLAGS and my LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
<ScottD> Do I need a --sysroot or other argument passed to configure?
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<bbjimmy> I'm forced to resort to a "sneekernet," copying files to a usb stick. to transfer files from one haiku computer to another. it seems netfs is broken, the ftp and ssh servers do not work and poorman is broken.
<augiedoggie> run beshare on both computers and share it from one to the other :P
<bbjimmy> I'd have to install a beshare server as I do not want to share most of these files. by that time the sneekernet will be done.
<augiedoggie> hm, ssh still works for me on 64 bit nightly
<augiedoggie> i just opened a session from my host to my vm
<bbjimmy> these are two 32bit laptops
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