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<B2IA> (seisei) Shaka_R5: I have BePDF1.1.1beta3 for BeOS . Later , I may dig my disk to search it .
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<OscarL> Hola Begasus
<Begasus> Hi OscarL
<Begasus> up early today? :)
<OscarL> My sleep pattern are crazier than I am... if you can believe that :-)
<Begasus> Just make sure you take some time to rest in between ;)
<netpositive> morning
<OscarL> Morning netpositive!
<Begasus> morning netpositive
<OscarL> Begasus: will do :-)
<OscarL> Seems like Concourse WAS doing spurious builds for beta3 after all (daily, and regardless of not being new commits on that branch): https://github.com/haiku/infrastructure/issues/76
<OscarL> Hopefully they'll be able to fix that and save some watts of power, at least :-D
<Begasus> Not familiar there :)
<nielx[m]> OscarL: basically concourse has two modes, one is to run based on new git commits, and the other one is to run on a fixed schedule
<nielx[m]> the master CI build does the git-based runs (and runs after each push), the nightly and r1beta builders are on a schedule
<nielx[m]> in general we move the schedule for the r1beta builders to weekly after the development period.
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<OscarL> nielx[m]: thanks for the details!
<Begasus> Mistery solved :)
<OscarL> While nosing around, I saw that "pipeline-time-trigger"... nothing wrong with it being called every day, I thought... but then those "haiku-git" all using the same commit ref let me... WTF??? :-D
<nielx[m]> Yeah, I am looking at the pipeline configuration to see if there is any hint there about not running it if nothing's changed, but I do not speak fluent concourse so it is a bit of a puzzle
<OscarL> I guess that the climate getting hotter everyday down here... and my PC lately getting too hot running some Haikuports recipes in a loop... made me overly sensitive to PCs doing needless work :-P
<OscarL> I don't speak concourse at all, sadly :-(. I remember that not long ago there was a fix related to not generating the .xz files for the nigthlies if the images failed to be built.. something like setting bash to fail at the first error, or something.
<OscarL> but that's the extent of my "knowledge" :-(
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<OscarL> "waiting for build package ne-3.3.2-1 to be activated" grrrr
<Begasus> Thanks PulkoMandy , brexx ready for 32bit now ;)
<Begasus> yeah OscarL still not up and running
<OscarL> Oh... I was getting that on MY PC :-D
<OscarL> but yeah... buildmaster still stuck.
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<Begasus> hehe
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<Begasus> OscarL, anything needed for https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/7313 ?
<OscarL> Begasus: testing on 32 bits to see if it builds OK with "--enable-optimizations" ?
<OscarL> I would not recommend trying to "hp --test python310" thought... unless you have nothing better to do :-)
<OscarL> I *think* I caught all the tests that stall/hang but... can't be 100% sure of that.
<OscarL> Begasus: warning: build times with "--enable-optimizations" goes UP...
<OscarL> like 3 to 5 times more on my PC.
<OscarL> And truth to be told... I didn't noticed THAT much of a change in speed, if any... at least on my tests... (but mostly where I/O bound so...)
<OscarL> Begasus: I see that some "python3" packages got renamed (3 -> 3.7, 39 -> 3.9), but not 38 and 310 :-/
<OscarL> I guess we should ask waddlesplash if the latter should be renamed too?
<Begasus> probably, already did some kind of change for the lua packages
<Begasus> *simular kind of change
<OscarL> regarding that link you gave me for Fedora's python "recipe"... (https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python3.11/blob/rawhide/f/python3.11.spec)
<OscarL> Seems to me like they build it *without* optimizations? (line 74)
<Begasus> right, think I saw something in other OS's their port
<OscarL> Begasus: regarding the change in naming (lua52 -> lua5.2 I assume).... at least there were not other lua packages that needed renaming, right?
<OscarL> But for python... lots of packages are named "foobar_python39"
<Begasus> nope, as they rely on the libraries, not name packages
<Begasus> IIRC the problem is with declaring the python versions in the recipes
<OscarL> what I wonder is... all these python package will need to be renamed too? (foobar_python3.9)
<Begasus> PYTHON_PACKAGES=(python3 python38 python39 python310)
<Begasus> you can't use dot's in there
<OscarL> nice and consistent! :-P (similarly to the _ vs - thing, right?
<Begasus> probably why waddlesplash enabled both python39 and python3.9 in the recipe I guess?
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<Begasus> right :)
* OscarL removed all except Python 3.11.0. Too many snakes.
<Begasus> k, let's test this scons update
<Begasus> becjk fails building ... can't find bsd_mem.h on 32bit
<Begasus> OscarL, could you check if it's installed on 64bit?
<OscarL> query returns nothing for that name.
<Begasus> pops up a few times in the source for becjk
<OscarL> should I attempt to build scons with hp?
<OscarL> *becjk
<Begasus> current scons fails to build even before that
<Begasus> hence I checked out the build in the new PR for scons
<OscarL> updateing repo... will attempt hp becjk
<OscarL> "Fetching package for cmd:python" ouch :-P
<Begasus> hehe
<OscarL> fetching scons... good thing I just made coffee!
<Begasus> that's not so big :)
<OscarL> No module named "Scons"
<Begasus> right, hence it is reported broken at the PR
<OscarL> Scons go well with coffee, thou.
<Begasus> refill here ... :)
<OscarL> So... should I try to use the scons recipe from the PR... to see if it builds becjk?
<Begasus> yep
<Begasus> already did that here
<Begasus> should be quite fast to build
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<OscarL> mind sharing the git command you use to fetch that scones PR, Begasus? (first time attempting that here :-D)
<Begasus> issue reported at becjk
<Begasus> I mostly add remote repositories for that :)
<Begasus> (using a sandbox checkout)
<OscarL> I see. thanks.
<Begasus> but it should be possible, just can't remember :D
<OscarL> bsd_mem.h: "Make life easier for those porting old Berkeley style code"... not anymore you don't! :-P
<Begasus> lol
<OscarL> Not many mentions of "bsd_mem.h" on google: https://www.google.com/search?tbs=li%3A1&q=%22bsd_mem.h%22
<Begasus> nope
<Begasus> and Haiku pops up a few times there
<OscarL> some even on rust-lang (regarding test on Haiku :-D)
<OscarL> I wonder how difficult can be to make BeCJK build with makefile-engine (as to drop it's python/scons dependencies)....
<Begasus> ok, pingus fails also with current scons
<Begasus> build started with new version
* OscarL goes to clone BeCJK and see what's what.
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<Begasus> jessicah, I'm a noob when it comes to actually developing you know? ;)
<jessicah> google `man bzero` to find correct header, then find where the #include is and replace with the right one
<Begasus> that would be all? OscarL seems like an easy fix then? ;)
<OscarL> yeah... that part should be easy enough... I just want it to get rid of scons and Python 2.7 :-D
<jessicah> even better, replace with memset
<jessicah> but yeah, header change should be enough, better is replacing the legacy functions with POSIX versions
<OscarL> "#define bzero(s, l) memset(s, 0, l)" <<<--- even *I* can do those changes Begasus ! :-P
<Begasus> lol ... but you know how to write code OscarL :P
<jessicah> :)
<OscarL> I know how to create bugs, yes.
<OscarL> :-P
<Begasus> ^^
<Begasus> so far pingus still building with scons, so I'm guessing once it's done and running PR can be merged
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<Begasus> moin humdinger
<Begasus> biab
<humdinger> hullo!
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<Begasus> OscarL, no revbump for ne?
<humdinger> BTW, I asked about adding our ne package to their website links.
<humdinger> it's up: https://ne.di.unimi.it/
<Begasus> Nice humdinger !
<humdinger> though it probably doesn't have much traffic... :)
<Begasus> even then :D
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<Begasus> did you run a build on 32bit humdinger ?
<humdinger> of Wireshark or ne?
<Begasus> ne
<humdinger> nope. is there a problem?
<Begasus> don't know, checking atm :)
<OscarL> Begasus: re:ne ... I just wanted to see if you were paying attention! :-P Will fix that now :-D
<humdinger> the buildbot has built it fine apparently.
<humdinger> there's a 32bit package at least
<OscarL> hello humdinger.
<humdinger> hi OscarL!
<OscarL> Do the rest looks ok to you guys? besides the missing rev-bump, I mean?
<Begasus> new PR for ne by OscarL
<Begasus> build is fine
<OscarL> Begasus: I guess I should just "git commit --amend" and do a forced push, right?
<Begasus> yep
<OscarL> k
<humdinger> OscarL: as you have tested it to be fine... it looks good. One Q: why only grep for one key, 0x7f?
<Begasus> should backspace work?
<humdinger> hmmm.
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<humdinger> I wonder... you could do the .key patching right in the post-install script.
<OscarL> humdinger: no reason other than my lack of bash expertise, I guess.
<humdinger> saves putting stuff in $dataDir.
<Begasus> biab
<OscarL> humdinger: I thought about that... but... I want the user to have a copy of that fix, just as an example (same as the example macros)... just in case.
<humdinger> That's a reason. :)
<OscarL> (in case the user borks its ".keys" by error... as did I a couple of times :-D)
<humdinger> Can you put that info in the Description?
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<OscarL> I'll try my best.. which ain't much on my broken "English" :-D
<humdinger> :)
<OscarL> Any suggestion regarding the grep thing?
<OscarL> is there a way to do both checks in one go? or should I just nest the "if grep"s?
<humdinger> you can && two conditions.
<humdinger> needs to use [[ ]] brackets.
<OscarL> great, thanks!
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<humdinger> OscarL: WRT ne's description, how about:
<humdinger> "On installation, ne is configured to properly use BACKSPACE and DEL. You find the configuration file at '~/config/settings/ne/.keys'. There's a backup for it at '/system/data/ne/', just in case."
<OscarL> Awesome, humdinger! thanks a bunch!
<humdinger> np
<humdinger> now I'm off for some errands.
<humdinger> cu guys later
* humdinger waves
<OscarL> later!
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<Begasus> re
<Begasus> OscarL, I don't seem to have the .keys file here?
<OscarL> ouch.
<OscarL> no "~/config/settings/ne/.keys"? what about /system/data/ne/fix_backspace.keys?
<Begasus> /boot/home/config/data also doesn't exist
<Begasus> the last one yes
<OscarL> mmm some issue regarding the secondaryArch i guess?
<OscarL> (I should really get some space to do a proper 32 bit install for haikuports)
<Begasus> don't think it should matter on this
<Begasus> ~/config/settings/ne is empty
<OscarL> maybe grep or bash act differently?
<Begasus> B_USER_DATA_DIRECTORY this doesn't exist .. maybe a mkdir should be needed?
<Begasus> hmm ... can't create one there
<Begasus> maybe ~/config/non-packaged/data? (that one is writeable)
<OscarL> if "/system/data/ne/fix_backspace.keys" exists...
<Begasus> ah k, well that one exists
<OscarL> there should be no problem in copying it to ~/config/settings/ne/.keys, no?
<Begasus> nope, should be fine
<OscarL> I've tried installing it with pkgman install -H... and I had no issues.
<OscarL> so I guess $dataDir had to be == B_USER_DATA_DIRECTORY in that case, right?
<Begasus> I mostly just double-click the package
<OscarL> me, too, that install as a system package, as far as I know.
<Begasus> yep
<OscarL> thus, why /system/data/ne/fix_backspace.keys...
<OscarL> So something must be failing in the install script, I guess.
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<andreasdr[m]> Good morning
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<Begasus> moin andreasdr[m]
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<netpositive> moin moin
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<andreasdr[m]> Moin Begasus, Moin Netpositive.
<andreasdr[m]> I saw a recipe for Audacity. Yaaaaa. Thats amazing.
<Begasus> Not enabled andreasdr[m] ;)
<andreasdr[m]> Yes. I know but at least its progress, I could test by compiling myself. My Haiku PC is not yet ready, but it will be this week.
<andreasdr[m]> I know there is always lots of progress, but having Audacity in future is nice!!!
<Begasus> nice!
<Begasus> ps BeCJK build here :)
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<BrunoSpr> Hello everybody
<andreasdr[m]> What is BeCJK?
<andreasdr[m]> Hi BruonoSpr
<Begasus> moin BrunoSpr
<BrunoSpr> moin moin Begasus
<andreasdr[m]> Nice
<andreasdr[m]> Now works on Haiku OS <3
<Begasus> It did already, just some recent change broke the build :)
<BrunoSpr> Begasus, my daughter's learning Korean, maybe she like to test the app then
<Begasus> it's an add-on BrunoSpr , I think you can still install it
<BrunoSpr> I will try it, and ask my daughter to test
<Begasus> put's a keyboard in the systray where you can switch from roman to cjk
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<Begasus> updated wayland recipes to the latest commit's, still building fine on 32bit
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<Begasus> bbl
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<andreasdr[m]> Nice
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<matt3> hi Begasus : do you prefer beos or haiku ?
<matt3> the devils = fantasies ;D
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56564] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=4fad6eb32d8a+%5E1284e971e2a0
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 4fad6eb32d8a - Tracker: fix thumbnail caching
<Skipp_OSX> woot
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<waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: thoughts on https://review.haiku-os.org/c/haiku/+/5702 ?
<Skipp_OSX> I like it
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<Skipp_OSX> I never use those _BIG constants anyway so if they can be repurposed that is fine by me
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<Begasus> heading down, cu peeps!
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<waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: well please comment that then :)
<Skipp_OSX> idk what nephele is on about
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<TkTech> waddlesplash: Sorry for the hiccups with botifico, it's getting its first major update in a decade, there's some hiccups
<waddlesplash> fair enough :)
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