00:05 <steev> HdkR: what is the verdict on the SN770M?

00:08 <Jasper[m]> It fits

04:59 <mynery[m]> I am running arch and I did get widevine to run by builing the removed widevine-aarch64 from the aur. I now struggle with the codecs, but that seems to be a very browser specific thing.

05:55 <mynery[m]> Just got that working as well :) Now the only thing I know doesn't work yet is suspend.

06:10 <steev> suspend works, just not super deep levels

06:11 <mynery[m]> i assume this is those new hibernation level thing? if so, is hibernate an option?

07:42 <HdkR> steev: The SN770M works fine but currently have it in a different laptop

14:12 <_[m]1> I think I used firefox nightly too get ahead at some point, don't remember the mileage though

14:13 <_[m]1> also can't build ungoogled chromium 😧

14:13 <_[m]1> but generally using chromium to consume media anyway, not much to call home about

14:25 <jjardon[m]> hi, is the lenovo x13s the best aarch64 linux laptop you can buy?

14:27 <HdkR> Depends

14:28 <HdkR> Apple products have higher performance CPUs and GPUs which might be "best" for you

14:29 <HdkR> and getting Linux on those devices can be done with bare-metal or VM

14:29 <jjardon[m]> ah true. would you think the linux support for those is better though?

14:30 <HdkR> Both devices have missing features, so "better" depends on your use case

14:35 <schillmania> Apple products best selling point is the apple ecosystem

14:39 <jjardon[m]> i know webcam doesnt work in the x13s ; any other thing that doesnt work at all?

14:41 <HdkR> Still some audio weirdness that needs to be resolved. USB-C orientation quirks, GPU thermal throttling not wired up, GPU still sometimes crashes under heavy workloads. External display can't drive full bandwidth in some cases. The webcam. Is video decode and encode working?

14:42 <HdkR> The list is definitely getting smaller

14:46 <_[m]1> imo the only nice model of macbook is the 2020 macbook m1 air, once the external display gets fixed I'll install asahi once on mine

14:47 <_[m]1> I had the macbook m1 ultra, I could play dota2 on it on 4k 144hz monitor, which is pretty crazy but not high reso with all details right

14:48 <HdkR> Well, M1 Max anyway. Ultra isn't in the macbooks

14:48 <_[m]1> so I sold it but too early lol so I had to get an inbetween so went 2020 model for now, until I can use x13s for personal use

14:49 <_[m]1> HdkR: yeah true, I forgot 🙂

14:49 <_[m]1> I think the macbooks did get a lot "cheaper" since pricepoint is the same for way more performance

14:49 <_[m]1> this second hand 2020 model was 800 euro 16gb

14:50 <_[m]1> * hand 2020 macbook air model was

14:50 <_[m]1> there was one major painpoint with asahi but again my memory fails me

14:52 <HdkR> If it was early then probably 16KB page size kernel.

14:52 <jhovold> jjardon[m]: take a look at https://github.com/jhovold/linux/wiki/X13s for the latest status

14:54 <jjardon[m]> thanks a lot

14:55 <_[m]1> I'm guessing all hardware is cheaper in USA right?

14:55 <jhovold> camera support is under way, the missing bits are hibernation and virtualisation

14:55 <jhovold> and most things are already supported upstream, so you can run a mainline kernel on the x13s

14:56 <jhovold> afaik, that's far from being possible with apple hw

14:57 <HdkR> Yea, if you're wanting upstream then Apple hardware is father behind

14:57 <_[m]1> and don't about you but it feels awkward having such small ctrl key with the mac keyboard, this alone makes me not want to run linux on it lol

14:58 <_[m]1> * and don't know about you

14:58 <jjardon[m]> jhovold: wow, its really better than i though! my understanding also was that camera will be never supported

15:00 <jhovold> jjardon[m]: the current work relies on doing some image processing in user space (libcamera) instead of in hw, but hopefully that will change too at some point

15:05 <_[m]1> reading on hackernews, for asahi (it's arch btw didn't know :))

15:05 <_[m]1> - no HDMI out

15:05 <_[m]1> - bluetooth audio wonkiness

15:05 <_[m]1> - no built-in speakers

15:05 <_[m]1> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36436668

15:05 <_[m]1> that's mmm

15:06 <_[m]1> personally I think I'd answer your question with yes, x13s is best linux aarch64 laptop 🙂

15:07 <HdkR> Built-in speakers just started working a couple days ago on the M1 Air, and HDMI out on Macbooks is a heavy construction zone, was shown working like last week :P

15:07 <_[m]1> so 5 months is longer than you'd think 🙂 didn't know it was still so active (I mean they started right after the release of first M1 as I remember)

15:08 <HdkR> Yea, they started right at launch

15:08 <_[m]1> funny timing then 🙂

15:09 <_[m]1> * then 🙂 and pretty crazy it took 3-4 years huh 😲

15:25 <jjardon[m]> <jhovold> "jjardon: the current work relies..." <- thats really great; not care that much but using the webcam is sometimes needed at wkrk :)

15:29 <jjardon[m]> i guess is not possible buy from lenovo with linux pre-installed, right?

15:30 <HdkR> Correct

15:37 <jjardon[m]> is there any way to show "support" for this? so lenovo thinks about doing that in future?

15:41 <Jasper[m]> <_[m]1> "reading on hackernews, for asahi..." <- Not anymore, it's Fedora officially now

16:31 <neobrain> _[m]1: The Asahi folks have been very consistent with activity ever since launch, but media only reports about the big drops (for better or worse)

16:32 <neobrain> (it's probably more active than ever even due to more people having joined development)

16:35 <neobrain> For audio it's worth noting that macbooks have *much* better audio than the x13s currently, thanks to speakersafetyd

17:06 <jjardon[m]> m2 chip looks certainly more powerfull than the qualcomm one. not sure how that translates when running both in linux

17:08 <HdkR> If you only care about raw CPU performance numbers then when both are running Linux, the M2 will be faster.

17:35 <jhovold> jjardon[m]: lenovo has provided some hw and helped out to get fw released

17:35 <jhovold> i think they may some forum where things like preinstalled linux may be discussed

17:36 <jhovold> or maybe you could mention it when ordering, not sure anyone sees that though

21:24 <konradybcio> Lenovo stores ale probably waaaay separate from the main business unit