13:30 <erebion> What's the current state for the Thinkpad X13s? Last time I tried it was Ubuntu on an X1s from work, but I moved to another company, so I had to give it back. Any noteworthy changes in the last three months? Thinking about telling my new employer I want an X13s and run Debian. Any reasons I should not? :D

13:33 <_[m]1> afaics (and especially from 6.7) should be pretty stable

13:34 <_[m]1> you can look here https://github.com/jhovold/linux/wiki/X13s for current state, it's up to date

13:35 <_[m]1> then again I might be missing some nuances / details - personally I'm waiitng for the high reso DP (external screen) bug to be solved

13:35 <_[m]1> but from the comments seems that some resos work

13:36 <neobrain> huh, didn't know audio was supposed to work :(

13:39 <neobrain> Maybe some of the kernel params mentioned on that page will fix that for me... currently I'm only using the pauth one

13:41 <jhovold> neobrain: you may be missing the user space dependencies (fw and/or ucm files), see https://github.com/jhovold/linux/wiki/X13s#userspace-dependencies

13:41 <jhovold> kernel parameters should not matter for audio

13:44 <neobrain> hm yeah, I recall having to install pd-mapper through some external package repo, so it sounds likely opensuse doesn't ship the other things on that list yet either

13:45 <neobrain> currently on travels, but will play around with this later

13:51 <neobrain> Ah, looks like for audio support the opensuse kernels needed to be built with some more options enabled, and they only started doing so since 6.6: https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1215256

14:58 <erebion> Does "-" mean no hinberantion or no info?

14:59 <erebion> *hibernation

15:01 <erebion> Also, does a regular Debian image work yey?

15:01 <erebion> Or would I still have to use the Ubuntu Concept .iso for a working system?

15:02 <erebion> (I prefer Debian over Ubuntu)

15:02 <danielt> Yes, and it's pretty well documented: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/X13s

15:03 <erebion> Oh cool

15:03 <erebion> Last time I looked in the Debian wiki there wasn't anything (:

15:04 <erebion> Now I just need to find out where to get an X13s with 32 GB RAM :D

15:04 <erebion> (And get a webcam as a workaround until that's solved)

15:06 <jhovold> erebion: a dash (-) in the kernel feature table means that the feature is not (yet) supported

15:06 <erebion> Thanks!

15:20 <steev> i wish i had a 32gb version too, but i have to say, i've never really been able to push my 16gb to use it all, the most i can get is during chromium or kismet compilation (because yay c++ compilation memory usage)

15:22 <zdykstra> I just bought a 32GB/512GB version on eBay for $470

15:22 <steev> wtf?

15:22 <erebion> Wow, that's cheap

15:22 <steev> brb ebaying

15:22 <erebion> MINE!!! lol

15:22 <zdykstra> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155795031248

15:22 <Jasper[m]> zdykstra: Nice

15:23 <erebion> I wonder how much it'd cost after importing it to the EU

15:23 <Jasper[m]> No shipping to the EU without asking the seller sadly

15:23 <zdykstra> the description says 16GB, but it really is a 21BX0016US

15:24 <Jasper[m]> erebion: (Device+shipping)*1.21 + whatever percentage the laptop section of import costs is

15:24 <erebion> I can just forward using shipito.com

15:25 <erebion> What is the 1.21 part?

15:25 <Jasper[m]> I got mine for 650€, though only 128GB of storage

15:25 <Jasper[m]> erebion: 21% VAT

15:25 <Jasper[m]> At least here

15:26 <steev> you *can* upgrade the internal storage

15:26 <Jasper[m]> Yes, that's what I'm planning on doing once I get a more stable setup (and I make it a daily)

15:26 <zdykstra> yeah, any 2242 NVMe should just work

15:27 <steev> not quite

15:27 <steev> some are too fat, ask HdkR

15:27 <Jasper[m]> Oh yeah, forgot to ask

15:27 <zdykstra> ahh, bummer. Single sided only, I guess.

15:27 <erebion> @Jasper But SSD can be replaced unlike RAM, right?

15:27 <Jasper[m]> Anyone ever used a 2TB sn770m on these?

15:28 <Jasper[m]> erebion: Correct, I have 32GB of RAM luckily haha

15:28 <erebion> Oh yeah, missed the messages after that, whoops

15:29 <steev> i know HdkR has some 2TB in his teams

15:32 <Jasper[m]> Jasper[m]: They're 2.38mm thick apparently

15:33 <zdykstra> I'm just getting up to speed with the state of everything, so I apologize if this has been discussed at length already. Is it expected that (eventually) virtualization support will be possible?

15:33 <erebion> Just calculated it: To Germany I'd pay ~630 euros, including forwarding via shipito.com and import taxes

15:33 <Jasper[m]> erebion: Pretty good

15:33 <erebion> I'd pay around three to four times as much for the 16 GB version from EU sellers

15:33 <Jasper[m]> They're kinda expensive here, I got lucky

15:33 <steev> it would be nice, but i won't hold my breath zdykstra

15:34 <Jasper[m]> zdykstra: From what I can tell, unless qcom updates the firmware or somebody finds a way to boot Linux using secure launch it won't happen.

15:34 <erebion> Why the hell are they so cheap in the US?

15:34 <erebion> Surely there must be a catch I'm missing

15:34 <zdykstra> it's a refurbished device

15:35 <zdykstra> though mine looked brand new

15:35 <zdykstra> bummer about virtualization, but it's not the end of the world

15:37 <erebion> Yeah, exactly, around here I'd pay 3 times as much for a refurbished device with 16 GB of RAM

15:37 <erebion> So how do I get 32 GB for that price? wtf

15:37 <Jasper[m]> zdykstra: I somewhat have hope that they will backport Gunyah at minimum, but yeah

15:41 <erebion> Just for the 5G modem it'd make sense for me to get one, as 5G coverage is far better than 4G, around here

15:44 <_[m]1> lol am I the only one that bought it new around here 😉

15:44 <steev> it's cheap because it's arm device, mostly

15:45 <_[m]1> damn so finally the samsung go 5 arrived, I remember someone had some notes aboutgetting this device working?

15:46 <erebion> It's cheap because it's US. They are really expensive around here.