robclark changed the topic of #aarch64-laptops to: Linux support for AArch64 Laptops (Chrome OS Trogdor Devices - Asus NovaGo TP370QL - HP Envy x2 - Lenovo Mixx 630 - Lenovo Yoga C630 - Lenovo ThinkPad X13s - and various other snapdragon laptops) - https://oftc.irclog.whitequark.org/aarch64-laptops
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<robclark> craftyguy: btw, got link to model for nvme insert.. not urgent yet (due to lack of time to re-image my daily driver) but at some point I intend to upgrade to a larger drive..
<craftyguy> the model I printed for securing the 2230 ssd?
* craftyguy looks
<robclark> yeah.. if you can find it
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<Dylanger> Anyone know if Snapdragon 888 has any mainline linux support?
<Dylanger> I have 2 HDK's that aren't doing anything
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<bamse> Dylanger: 888 is known as sm8350 in the upstream kernel, so yes there's some support
<Dylanger> Ooo that's awesome
<Dylanger> It would have lower wattage usage than my seeedpc
<bamse> how much ram does it have?
<Dylanger> One sec lemme see
<bamse> product page doesn't say :/
<bamse> internal page indicates 12gb...so that's pretty good
<Dylanger> Pretty sure this is it
<Dylanger> Yeah I think it's 12
<Dylanger> Wouldn't be able to run VMs tho
<Dylanger> I'd prob remove the screen
<bamse> 8 gen1 would be the next one
<Dylanger> What would be the best OS to run on it? I'm guessing the bootloader wouldn't support Fedora CoreOS
<Dylanger> bamse: Ah my bad
<bamse> Dylanger: the problem with the bootloader is that it loads a kernel+dtb+ramdisk packaged up as a android boot.img...so there's that extra step of packaging things up
<Dylanger> I'll go get it, iirc I had 2
<Dylanger> bamse: Sounds like ChromeOS's depthcharge
<bamse> same problem, when it comes to running a standard distro
<Dylanger> Yeah sounds like a little weekend thing
<bamse> other than that (i.e. with some manual work) you can run whatever distro...
<bamse> i'm running arch linux on all devboards (and phones) that gets a distro installed
<Dylanger> I'd love to run Fedora Server or something, if I can get it running, I'll have it replace my little Media SeeedPC
<Dylanger> Debugging on it should be easy as there's literally UART etc headers
<bamse> probably worth getting anything running on the hdk first, to see how stable it is
<bamse> right, it's a really convenient development board
<bamse> and if it's not stable, i'd like to know about it...might not be people's highest priority, but we should make sure it's functional and stable in the upstream kernel
<Dylanger> Looks like the fantastic people at Collabora already support it
<Dylanger> Yeah 12GB RAM and 256GB storage
<Dylanger> Absolutely this shall be used
<Dylanger> ðŸĪž Plex supports aarch64
<bamse> Dylanger: "support it"...as in linaro upstreamed the support and collabora provides notes on how to run it :)
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<Dylanger> Ah fair
<Dylanger> Plex Media Server totally supports aarch64 👀 yeah this thing is way more powerful than my SeeedPC little NAS box thing
<Dylanger> Much more memory too
<jbowen> Is there a place I can grab a .dtb for the x13s, or should I clone jhovold's linux repo and compile it from the latest wip/sc8280xp branch?
<jbowen> Never mind (hopefully), I found one in a different partition of the Fedora Rawhide image I grabbed
<jbowen> dgilmore, I *think* I followed the steps on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Thinkpad_X13s#Rawhide_hacking; I'm about to swap NVMe drives and see if it boots
<dgilmore> jbowen: good luck
<jbowen> Is an x13s with Rawhide your daily driver?
<dgilmore> My daily driver is an adlink ampere developer workstation. When I am not at my desk I'm using the x13s running Fedora 39
<dgilmore> I can't do video conferencing on the x13s
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<dgilmore> I do power it off when not using because it doesn't suspend. It boots pretty quickly
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<jbowen> I've never grown to trust suspend on a system
<jbowen> (If this isn't the right place for this discussion or I just need to go scrounge around on my own, please do tell me)
<jbowen> I'm only able to get it to start booting into linux if I pass dtb= on the command line
<Dylanger> <dgilmore> "I do power it off when not using..." <- > adlink ampere developer workstation what even is this? Sounds awesome
<Jasper[m]> Many core socketed workstation board
<jbowen> They're pretty sweet
<HdkR> I'm looking to an AmpereOne version of that device :)
<HdkR> looking forward to*
<craftyguy> robclark: this is what I printed: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5254081 IIRC I had to do a little sanding, especially on the top so that it wouldn't interfere with the heat spreader that lays on top of the drive
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<jhovold> steev: haven't noticed anything like that, but then I don't use Gnome or wayland
<jhovold> the closest thing that come to mind is audio not working on the first boot after removing the alsa state
<jhovold> either way, it should be a user space bug
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<_[m]1> <jbowen> "Is there a place I can grab a ...." <- look at debian install instructions,they host it
<jbowen> _[m]1: Thank you, I did actually stumble across their instructions after I asked that (and found it in the Fedora image I'd downloaded)
<Jasper[m]> <jbowen> "(⊙_◎): Thank you, I did actually..." <- Which image? One of the live disks?
<Jasper[m]> I couldn't find it weirdly enough
<exeat> BTW, suspend has been perfectly reliable on the x13s; no hangs or "lost" devices
<_[m]1> so -again offtopic - but why would anyone run zfs on rolling update distro? it's scary no?
<Jasper[m]> Why?
<Jasper[m]> I mean you can choose to enable experimental releases
<Jasper[m]> Otherwise it either works (on your kernel version) or it doesn't
<_[m]1> dunno I sign in first thing I do is pacman -Syu lol
<dgilmore> Dylanger: I power off the x13s
<Jasper[m]> _[m]1: Well yeah, but the package won't update if there are no updates
<Jasper[m]> and the module won't load if the kernel's too new
<Jasper[m]> So unless you care a loy about uptime/availability it won't really matter since you could feasibly install a stable kernel
<_[m]1> and exclude it from being updated?
<_[m]1> * being updated? IgnorePkg = linux mm
<jbowen> Jasper[m]: The raw image, but I'd guess it's in the ISO as well
<nscnt[m]> My Windows work laptop reliably wakes up with a blue screen from suspend. I always get the cursed hardware. >.<
<Jasper[m]> jbowen: Couldn't find it there, that's the issue
<Jasper[m]> I can copy it over myself, but to get it working ootb it would be good to include those in the live image by default
<jbowen> It's in a subdirectory of what would be mounted at /boot, not in the ESP
<jbowen> There is are just RPi dtb's there
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<Jasper[m]> The live images I've seen have a squashfs that needs to be unpacked first
<Jasper[m]> But it can't do that without Linux itself functioning first
<Jasper[m]> Chicken and egg thing
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<robclark> craftyguy: thx
<jbowen> Jasper[m], yeah, that's why I switched to using the raw image
<jbowen> I didn't get things to a working state before giving up for the evening
<Jasper[m]> Aww,
<jbowen> I'll try again
<steev> fwiw, i've been using suspend since it has been available and haven't lost any data (yet)
<jbowen> Giving up old fears is difficult, lol
<steev> understandable :)
<_[m]1> maybe we can use rocky linux instead of fedora ðŸĪŠ
<steev> lets not get too crazy
<steev> this is so fucking weird
<steev> i can't get gdm to run on wayland on 6.7, but sway works fine?
<steev> switch back to 6.6 and wayland is available
* jbowen turns rocky linux mug around....
<jbowen> I understand nothing about graphics, X or Wayland
<_[m]1> 😅
<_[m]1> steev: 1s and 0s they said grr
<steev> to be fair... no one really understands X or wayland
<_[m]1> lol wasn't wayland going to be the solution to all of X s longstanding issues?
<jbowen> I still maintain that GUIs were a mistake
<steev> yes... they said that 20 years ago when it was announced
<clover[m]> steev: is it a mutter issue?
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<steev> clover[m]: maybe? seems odd that 6.6 is fine but 6.7 isn't?
<steev> i haven't rebuilt mutter with the patch, i should do that
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<clover[m]> i can sent you a binary of mutter 45.0 if you want to test that quickly
<clover[m]> it includes daniel thompsons patch
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<steev> o
<steev> i've already got it
<steev> just hadn't done it
<steev> so i've installed it, just haven't yet logged out
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<steev> it's not mutter
<clover[m]> ok
<craftyguy> well this is weird. I disabled the trackpad on the x13s in the EFI setup, but sometimes it randomly (?) get re-enabled in the OS
<jenneron[m]> craftyguy: is it weird tho? kernel uses dtb and kinda ignores what EFI does to ACPI or whatever the way it disables trackpad
<jenneron[m]> if it disables power or something, kernel still can enable it
<craftyguy> it's disabled on boot though, so it doesn't completely ignore it?
<jenneron[m]> craftyguy: if you want to disable the trackpad in linux i would suggest looking into my MR, so you can modify dtb with an overlay https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/boot-deploy/-/merge_requests/43
<jenneron[m]> it should be more reliable
<craftyguy> yeah maybe it's not weird. I'm still used to x86 systems :P
<craftyguy> ya or I can just disable it in my sway config :P
<craftyguy> but I should finish reviewing your MR :)
<jenneron[m]> i think you did, the problem is me not testing it..
<craftyguy> ah ya, now that I actually clicked on the link
<jenneron[m]> craftyguy: i made this MR actually to make pinephone closer to being able to use extlinux.conf instead of u-boot config
<jenneron[m]> so maybe we should force pinephone maintainers to work on it instead of me
<jenneron[m]> *u-boot script
<gwolf> _[m]1: "not starting up" is not a longstanding issue. "not starting up" is a longlying issue.
<gwolf> (sorry for the word pun... at least it works better in Spanish ;-) )
<gwolf> FWIW, better support under my ARM laptop is what prompted me to switch from XOrg (i3) to Wayland (Sway). I have migrated all of my x86 systems, and am not going back.
<jkm> ARM + Wayland > x86 + Xorg
<jkm> My transition is still in progress, however
<_[m]1> "b b but" muttered gnome 👀
<steev> speaking of
<steev> they're asking for testing; it doesn't seem to apply to 45.1
<steev> one of you arch peeps with mutter-git in the aur or whatever
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<robclark> ohh, nice
<steev> or anyone to review the code, i suppose
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<clover[m]> This is a first. Got a kernel panic and the camera light is now blinking lol
<jbowen> progress?
<steev> the camera LED is able to be controlled by software (!?!?!?!) so, that makes sense, it's in the dtb
<steev> it makes sense that it could, not that it's controlled by software
<_[m]1> <clover[m]> "This is a first. Got a kernel..." <- the camera is alive!!