<chadmed>
youll need to run it on top of FEX or box64 but yeah
<eaxk[m]>
chadmed: How much would that affect performance
<chadmed>
significantly
<chadmed>
we're translating from am64 to aarch64, that's computationally expensive no matter how you slice it
<chadmed>
s/am64/amd64/
<chadmed>
not only that but its going to take a very long time until the mesa driver is complete enough to run things like games, and even longer for it to be as highly optimised as the mature AMD and Intel drivers
<chadmed>
so yeah... performance is not going to be great and thats if your games run at all
<chadmed>
these machines aren't really drop-in replacements for gaming rigs, nor are they really meant to be
<chadmed>
best i can squeeze out of csgo on my 16 gpu core m1 max machine is about 150fps, and it's not a very stable 150fps either
<chadmed>
my gtx780 and 5600x can push it higher
<nicolas17>
eaxk[m]: you'd have better luck using wine on macos :P
<chadmed>
yeah, and even then you better hope your game doesnt link any 32-bit libraries :P
<nicolas17>
why?
<chadmed>
macos has no support at all for 32-bit code anymore
<chadmed>
the kernel will not execute 32-bit binaries, and os does not ship with any 32-bit libraries
<chadmed>
you just dont notice this in practice because apple had been aggressively pushing developers to drop all 32-bit dependencies for years before they banned them entirely
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<nicolas17>
chadmed: Wine works on Intel Macs running 32-bit code despite there being no 32-bit Cocoa libraries
<Zanthed>
the last macOS version to support 32-bit was Mojave
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<nicolas17>
yes, after that they stopped supporting 32-bit Mac apps and removed 32-bit macOS libraries, your fancy compatibility layer (eg. Wine) can still use these custom syscalls to get 32-bit code to run
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<chadmed>
i mean clearly it cant because it doesnt work
<tpw_rules>
i'm pretty sure the wine folks figured out a way around it
<nicolas17>
I heard this ldt stuff was added *specifically* for the benefit of Wine
<tpw_rules>
maybe upstream wine hasn't done it yet
<chadmed>
oh well time to eat my words!
<chadmed>
it actually doeswork upstream with wine-staging
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<chadmed>
weird, i tried it earlier this year and it didnt
<nicolas17>
Rosetta supporting 32-bit x86 is probably also "specifically for the benefit of Wine"
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<chadmed>
valve dont bundle proton with the macos version of steam either it seems
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<MichaelLacks[m]>
hello, is this the right place for tech support? I'm having trouble with the install
<tpw_rules>
sure
<tpw_rules>
can you describe your problem?
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<M0n0w1c[m]>
Thanks for the updated iso, followed your instructions and the install went perfectly.
<tpw_rules>
cool
<MichaelLacks[m]>
its failing at the resize
<MichaelLacks[m]>
Error: -69606: A problem occurred while resizing APFS Container structures
<MichaelLacks[m]>
Failed to run process: diskutil apfs resizeContainer disk0s2 171574296576
<tpw_rules>
cross-compilation is currently broken on the latest nixpkgs unstable, so i couldn't update it as far as i'd like. but yuo should be able to update your channel now that it is installed. i also added an option to add options to m1n1 to fix troublesome mac mini displays
<tpw_rules>
MichaelLacks[m]: scroll up a bit and it should explain more. the two top causes are APFS corruption or APFS snapshots taking up too much space
<MichaelLacks[m]>
ok, thanks. IT doesn't let me see messages from before I joined
<tpw_rules>
no, i mean in the terminal where it printed the error
<MichaelLacks[m]>
oh ok
<MichaelLacks[m]>
thanks!
<tpw_rules>
the installer.log you posted got cut off for whatever reason
<MichaelLacks[m]>
oh there it is
<MichaelLacks[m]>
The volume /dev/rdisk3s5 was found to be corrupt and needs to be repaired
<MichaelLacks[m]>
<tpw_rules>
ok yeah. reboot into recovery mode and run disk utility's first aid function
<tpw_rules>
ideally make sure you have backups beforehand
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<MichaelLacks[m]>
thanks!!
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<Guest1043>
is somebody here who got the headphone jack of a macbook air m1 working with the alpha release kernel and jack2?
<Guest1043>
is this even supposed to work already? i have read that the speaker support is disabled for safety reasons
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<j`ey>
headphone jack is flakey, but should work
<Guest1043>
my headphones make a tiny pop noise when i start jackd, but thats it... everything looks like its working, but i can't hear anything :)
<Guest1043>
tried rebooting a few times to work around that flakeyness too
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<mps>
j`ey: I think we need CONFIG_USB_GADGET=y for usb unplug/plug to work
<j`ey>
yeah, we need that for the dual-role stuff to be selectable
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<mps>
yes
<mps>
though don't understand why we need CONFIG_USB_DWC3_DUAL_ROLE=y for plug to work
<sven>
because we need to restart dwc3 on every plug even and that’s the easiest hack to do that
<sven>
*event
<mps>
aha
<mps>
it is hack, I see. thanks for info
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<povik>
Guest1043: see if 'Jack Mixer' isn't muted in alsamixer, you may need to switch to the native sound card (F6 i think) to see the control
<povik>
speakers are indeed disabled, but that's independent
<povik>
Guest1043: jack flakiness is most likely solved by this patch to the kernel: https://tpaste.us/Yro4
<povik>
if it solves flakiness for you, report back
<j`ey>
oh hey, updated commit message
<povik>
yeah, i rewrote it for the list :-p
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<Guest1043>
povik: thx, i'll give it a try :)
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<povik>
if you try the patch, report back either way!
<mps>
I wonder why it have problem only on mb air, not on mbp
<sven>
that patch more or less fixes a race condition
<povik>
yeah, being a timing issue it can be influenced by pretty much anything
<mps>
hmm, I didn't noticed on mbp
<mps>
maybe because my hearing is damaged somewhat
<jannau>
I assume for audio it's also a probe issue, i.e. the device is either there or not
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<bluetail[m]>
<mps> "maybe because my hearing is..." <- damaged - meaning it was working before? What happened?
<bluetail[m]>
Is it both ears or one side?
<bluetail[m]>
I know a guy who has to use MONO always because important information is kept on one channel
<bluetail[m]>
because his left ear is not properly working
<bluetail[m]>
* left ear(hearing) is
<bluetail[m]>
I know the hearing aid is quite costly...
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<mps>
bluetail[m]: right ear is damaged
<mps>
long ago
<mps>
with wrong medicine
<mps>
after that I learned to not trust medicine and doctors
<mps>
but I learned to live with this damage and it is not big life problem
<bluetail[m]>
Truth. I kind of played lab rat for the doctors until they found medicine that worked on me. I am impacted by it every day and have to try harder, as I lost 10 years of memories during that 'trial'
<bluetail[m]>
Now I am basically 10 years behind and have to push my boundaries even further. But I am certain I am able to
<mps>
bluetail[m]: yes, and don't give up, ever
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<neonlight>
why did this channel move from Libera to OFTC ?
<jannau>
it did not, it moved from freenode to oftc for obvious reasons
<neonlight>
Asahi Linux has made seriously considering buying a Mac for the first time :)
<neonlight>
I love that it's based on Arch Linux
<bluetail[m]>
neonlight: wait a bit
<bluetail[m]>
its not yet ready
<bluetail[m]>
well
<bluetail[m]>
eeh, perhaps buy at the best deal
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<Guest1043>
neonlight: i bought a macbook air just for this, couldn't resist :D
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<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
Purchase anxiety - MacBook Pro 16 64 GB with an M1 for the next 5+ years, for software development?
<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
Or rather: How much better (and more expensive) can a successor become? Crystal balls, anyone?
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<bluetail[m]>
StefanHoffmeister[m]: Get a ThinkPad and install Linux Mint Cinnamon on it if you dont require to build specifically for iOS... or so...
<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
Noise, noise, noise :) I don't have any hope that Alderlake-based 12th gen Intel systems (once they are available) will be silent. Same with Ryzen 6000. I'd be tempted about the Lenovo ARM-based X13s, but I suspect that the pricing will be off, relatively speaking.
<bluetail[m]>
My thinkpad t490 does only make noise under load :D
<bluetail[m]>
watching youtube is practically silent
<bluetail[m]>
coding is too
<bluetail[m]>
but...
<bluetail[m]>
compiling isnt
<MajorBiscuit>
bluetail[m]: I don't think the t490's processor can compete with an M1 Pro and I say this as someone using an X1 Carbon with Fedora daily
<j`ey>
StefanHoffmeister[m]: there's always going to be something new on the horizon
<bluetail[m]>
of course not
<bluetail[m]>
but what are your requirements?
<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
I like making machines work for their money :D For plain typing, I'd have an XPS13 from 2016 (Fedora) and an old Haswell thing (also Fedora)
<bluetail[m]>
Do you have to run a LOT of panic software on your machine?
<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
Requirements are: Lots of memory to run containers. Many cores for parallel build, parallel tests. Decent GPU for RAW photo edting (I am aware of GPU and Asahi)
<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
I am just not yet ready to have all compute loads "in the cloud", so I need something that is able to provide decent local performance.
<bluetail[m]>
I read that compiling on Asahi (Linux) is vastly faster
<bluetail[m]>
but geekbench scores are recessed
<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
I do understand that - for instance - watching IPTV does not present any load. My Haswell notebook from 2013? or so is almost able to handle FHD streams and output that 4K. And the old Kaby Lake from 2016 does 4K.
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<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
My sole interest is in not having to wait, and in the machine not breaking my flow. Hence 64 GB, M1 Max with CPU cores.
<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
The only thing that is a pain right now is ARM support - for instance, there is no Oracle database on arm64
<bluetail[m]>
StefanHoffmeister[m]: Just so you know - I think RAW image editing is your anchor here. If it were all consumed by Docker images, I would question if your workflow is optimized enough
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<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
It's not that the docker image consumes something - but many container instances interacting on too few cores on too little memory ... plus an IDE...
<bluetail[m]>
StefanHoffmeister[m]: at that point I would recommend using a small server
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<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
Yeah, which takes me into "personal cloud" land ;) Which requires a network. I'd rather lug around 2.2 kg.
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<bluetail[m]>
I hope your device is sponsored by local IT
<bluetail[m]>
or you have the apple device protection plan
<bluetail[m]>
Because brace yourself - there are a lot of claims with the M1 Display being easy to break
<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
Oh! Do tell?
<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
(I'd get Apple Care anyway)
<bluetail[m]>
But as long as you can get an immediate replacement you shouldnt require to be frightened
<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
Nah, got many CPU cores here, and lots of GB of RAM. Just not consolidated in one machine.
<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
So, basically my vision is to dual-boot; mostly (Asahi) Linux for anything text and them some IPTV or the like. The rest on macOS.
<bluetail[m]>
I'm out of answers ^
<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
Fair, I am full of purchase anxiety :D
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<tpw_rules>
StefanHoffmeister[m]: i mean that's more or less what i did. but i got screwed out of it and have to wait an extra month
<tpw_rules>
the longer you wait to purchase it, the closer new models will be
<tpw_rules>
....
<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
Yeah, it's the IT race. Next generation, cheaper, faster, better. Mostly.
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<tpw_rules>
i'd still be on my 2016 another year or two except i had a really sad accident and drowned it
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<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
I am just tempted by this local 12% off discount on the m1 max.
<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
It'd be the replacement for my personal notebook I am typing on right now: Intel Haswell, 2 cores, 16 GB, fantastic FHD screen, year 2013. This notebook still works surprisingly well. (Although running Kubernetes wouldn't be fun)
<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
But then 12% discount is something like a "normal" discount, it seems, so ...
<tpw_rules>
i'd imagine you'll love it
<tpw_rules>
except for graphics, i'm continually impressed by this m1 mini i have
<StefanHoffmeister[m]>
I'd adore it over the work HP Z-Book from 2016 with its most horrible thermal design :/
<Guest1043>
povik: got the headphones working, the "Jack Mixer" setting was indeed muted
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<Guest1043>
didn't try the kernel patch yet though
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<Guest1043>
so far its working fine without it
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<mps>
Guest1043: hmm, I thought so but was not sure
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<sven>
that patch fixes a timing related bug. those are very hard to reproduce
<sven>
kinda like how I can never reproduce the nvme bug without the command submission spin locks
<Guest1043>
is there something i could do to make it more likely to happen? :)
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