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<mort_>
How usable is the Fedora spin right now, is it more or less as functional as the ALARM one or are there major missing things? And if I install Fedora Asahi now, will there be a smooth upgrade path to the official release in a month?
<mort_>
I'm very tempted to just replace my Arch install with Fedora right now and just wanna make sure I wouldn't be making a grave mistake
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<marcan>
it's more or less equal in functionality, but more likely to break as we mess with stuff. I would wait a few days at least, since we're switching firmware versions.
<marcan>
upgrading to release may be more or less rocky along the way, again as things change, but it won't require a reinstall or anything
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<tpw_rules>
marcan: is there a path for firmware upgrading for existing users?
<_jannau__>
tpw_rules: no official but there is no need for it (for now). touchbar firmware on early installations would be an exception
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<_jannau__>
unofficially: backup the ESP (and your data), delete stub and efi partition, make an uefi-only install with 13.5, restore the ESP content and deal with the changed part uuid of the ESP
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<CJoshua>
is someone here alive?
<delsol_>
yes
<sven>
no
<CJoshua>
lol
<stintel>
hmm, I saw installer 0.5.7 being tagged, which includes the commit to add WWDC 2023 devices, but it still says my MBA15 is not supported
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<j`ey>
theyre still only in expert mode
<stintel>
I see
<jannau>
and it is still unsupported. the install will not boot since m1n1 won't find a dtb for the 15" macbook air
<j`ey>
(and the mba15's dtb isnt merged yet)
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<stintel>
right. I'll continue playing with my self-built kernel and m1n1 then for now
<jannau>
stintel: you could try with expert mode, that should give you efi partition and a linux partition you can boot into with m1n1 and your self-built kernel
<stintel>
it fails with FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: './os/uefi-only-20230606-1.zip' - am I supposed to download this manually?
<winter>
<_jannau__> no official but there is no need for it (for now). touchbar firmware on early installations would be an exception <-- wonder why the firmware version switch is being done then, if there's no need for existing users to upgrade
<jannau>
because it is needed for support of newer devices, i.e. all devices released this year
<j`ey>
stintel: no, you shouldnt
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<stintel>
j`ey: so am I doing something wrong or is that a bug?
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<j`ey>
stintel: how did you run it?
<jannau>
stintel: which installer do you use? alx.sh?
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<stintel>
😂
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<tpw_rules>
_jannau__: ok, no need for official is what i wanted to know
<tpw_rules>
thank you
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<mort_>
Alright! Hello from the Fedora Asahi Remix
<psykose>
:3
<mort_>
I do like Arch but man I can get used to things like -dbgsym packages and the automatic symbol downloading gdb daemon thingy
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<tarzeau>
mort_: fear not. debian bananas team will bring you debian on m1
<tarzeau>
and because it is the distribution of the people. any people can help/join it
<dottedmag>
are there distributions of the not-people? robots? aliens?
<psykose>
any cat distros
<dottedmag>
though NixOS is pretty close to alien distro
<tarzeau>
well last time i tried to get anything done in fedora or redhat. i was stopped pretty early
<tarzeau>
it's just there's also something like popularity, and quality, and transparency
<tarzeau>
looking at these values from some other distros. i keep ending up with debian
<mort_>
now I just need to get that extension to move the clock to the right side of the top bar and then enable the part of the screen that's partially covered by the notch
<j`ey>
tarzeau: people have been running debian on m1 for a long time already!
<ar>
dottedmag: It's one of the most different from others distros out there, but I can hardly imagine myself using anything else ;)
<tarzeau>
j`ey: i didn't claim anything else. i was just saying. getting things into debian and making it easier
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<mps>
first distro used as daily driver on m1 is alpine linux ;-)
<tpw_rules>
ar: bingo
<mort_>
wow there's a lot of conflicting info out there about how to do the equivalent of update-grub on fedora
<mort_>
I like update-grub :(
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<mort_>
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GRUB_2 this page makes it look like grubby is the tool you're meant to use, but `grubby --args='apple_dcp.show_notch=1' --update-kernel=ALL` doesn't seem to have changed any of the files I'd expect it to change...
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<mort_>
but it seems to have worked, somehow
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<mort_>
https://p.mort.coffee/7XS.jpeg It's crazy how, with just the tiniest bit of tweaking, GNOME looks like it was designed for a machine with a notch and it works just as well as or better than macOS
<delsol>
How well does it run DF though?
<j`ey>
mort_: looks good
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<mort_>
the only issue really is that for some reason (probably to do with the "unsupported" aspect ratio), when you have the notch enabled, GNOME's fractional scaling setting lets you scale to 100%, 125%, 125% or 200%, rather than that nice dropdown you get when you're running with the notch disabled
<waldi>
mort_: small problem: gnome-shell uses scaled pixel in its css definitions. so now way to tell it: it need to be at least 64 display pixel (or how high the notch is) in size
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<tarzeau>
mort_: if only it was not only about the looks
<mort_>
waldi: yeah, but that's not really a problem in practice. You configure the dpi scaling you want, then make the top bar however many logical pixels tall it has to be in order to be physically tall enough to cover the notch, and then you don't touch it
<mort_>
it's not as nice as if it could be configured in physical pixels but it's okay
<j`ey>
i guess the title is never going to be long enough to go into the notch
<mort_>
I guess it's a possibility but I bet it won't happen a lot in practice, it seems to be the application name not the window title
<mort_>
tarzeau: I mean other things are important too but looking nice is nice
<j`ey>
tarzeau: but.. it works well and looks good :)
<mort_>
it's crazy that I can just run an install script to install linux on this Apple Silicon machine and click the bluetooth button in gnome to connect my airpods and start playing a youtube video and pausing and resuming with the airpods stem button just works
<psykose>
bluetooth has been good on linux for some time now i feel like
<psykose>
like 5 years ago i think you had to sacrifice newborns for it
<ChaosPrincess>
doesnt it still suffer from the problem that some codec is patented
<delsol>
psykose: like full GPU support on hackintosh 10-15 years ago.
<psykose>
:)
<mort_>
ChaosPrincess: probably, though the whole industry suffers from that
<delsol>
that said, once you knew some of the tricks.... dual monitors, 3 monitors... 4, 5, 6....
<mort_>
there are multiple competing patent encumbered high quality bluetooth audio codecs and you have to be pretty lucky to get a combination of devices where every source plays high quality audio to every sink...
<mort_>
I don't see why we don't have just, like, a bluetooth bidirectional 256kbit/s mp3 profile
<ChaosPrincess>
fraunhofer's rent seeking strikes again
<mort_>
and qualcomm's, and apple's
<delsol>
why mp3?
<mort_>
decent enough quality to size ratio, popular, no longer patent encumbered
<ChaosPrincess>
good enough, literally everything supports it
<ChaosPrincess>
and probably easy to find some jellybean hardware decoder for it
<mort_>
I mean maybe ogg would've been technically better but everyone knows the industry isn't gonna adopt ogg over bluetooth
<ChaosPrincess>
i.e opus would be harder to decode in hw, mostly cause nobody cared to build a decoder
<delsol>
why not just use FLAC?
<mort_>
bluetooth LE is pretty limited in bandwidth
<ChaosPrincess>
flac is ridiculous overkill
<mort_>
bluetooth audio is a terrible trade-off between latency, bandwidth and range
<ChaosPrincess>
also, apparently flac can go to 1411kbps for cd audio, you cant really do that over bt
<ChaosPrincess>
you have like 700-ish kbps bandwidth if you are lucky
<psykose>
wasn't the ldac thing like 1200
<psykose>
sonymeme
<delsol>
ChaosPrincess: I remember flac being about 3MB/minute
<ChaosPrincess>
depends on what you are compressing
<delsol>
CD audio
<ChaosPrincess>
im sure i can make some file that compresses really badly with flac
<ar>
my favourite part of the bt audio mess, is that macos doesn't support LDAC, and on windows support for codecs is limited by the bt adapter drivers. meanwhile, linux supports pretty much everything, regardless of hardware in use
<mort_>
"CD audio" doesn't mean anything, "CD audio" is just raw 16 bit 44.1kHz pcm data, it can represent literally anything we would call sound
<delsol>
mort_: Yeah, so long as you dont want to reproduce super high frequency sounds or super low frequency sounds, or demand crazy dynamic volume.
<mort_>
flac is more or less like gzip, the higher entropy in the audio data, the more space it takes
<psykose>
3mb/minute is like 400kbit/s
<psykose>
i think that's pushing it in practice
<mort_>
delsol: 16 bits has a crazy low noise floor, anyone's demands for crazy dynamic volume are more than met by CD audio
<psykose>
all my flacs are 44.1khz s16 and all are 800kbit+ on the highest compression settings
<psykose>
idk how you would halve that
<psykose>
sounds like magic
<delsol>
mort_: and whats the noise floor volume going to be if you are reproducing at 140db on the typical beat on music?
<ChaosPrincess>
if you are reproducing at 140 db, i dont think you care about that kind of noise :P
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<delsol>
what CD audio is capable of for dynamic range... and what the typical CD has for dynamic range are quite a bit apart.
<delsol>
I don't remember what song I was hitting 140.2 at on the termlab with the PG amps..... the orions did 138.7 if I remember right playing REM Orange Crush
<mort_>
delsol: so I don't know how the math works here but apparently 16bit gives you 96bD of dynamic range, so 44dB I guess?
<mort_>
if that's valid math (which I don't know if it is), you're not gonna hear that 44dB noise among the 140bD "music" (can it even be called music at such volumes or is it just a barrage of pressure breaking down your ear drums)
<delsol>
we should be able to figure it... 0000 0000 0000 0000 to 1111 1111 1111 1111 is our full dynamic range....
<delsol>
not sure how they're getting 96db there..
<delsol>
Anyways, shouldn't be an issue in the next setup.... as I wont have to set gains based on -0db volume and adjust signal input level from there....
<delsol>
I should be able to set signal input level PLENTY high to keep good SNR, then attenuate later in the signal path. :)
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<mort_>
hmm the org.gnome.Mutter.DisplayConfig.GetCurrentState method on /org/gnome/Mutter/DisplayConfig is simply returning the supported scales [1, 1.33333, 1.33333, 2]
<mort_>
that explains why settings only shows those options... but why would mutter think those are the only supported modes