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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/82f0a4ea92b0...d39578e9c0a1
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] Freaxed d39578e - Recipe for XRS 1.9.0 (#6790)
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<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d39578e9c0a1...9678760b319a
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] extrowerk 9678760 - libsmb2, fix recipe (#6449)
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<johnny_b> morning Begasus
<Begasus> g'morning johnny_b
<Begasus> could someone poke mmlr, builders are down
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<Vitto> 'mornin'
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<Begasus> g'morning Vitto
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<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/9678760b319a...c5280c1b47ff
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] khallebal c5280c1 - wxGTK: add recipe (#6637)
<Begasus> guess I should update the scummvm-tools after wxGTK is build ;) https://ibb.co/brx5K06
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<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c5280c1b47ff...af5c301a2060
<Not-a434> [haikuports/haikuports] t6 af5c301 - tmux: Fix suffix on x86_gcc2 (#6802)
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<andreasdr[m]> Good morning
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<Begasus> g'morning andreasdr[m]
<Begasus> Guess that a good one for today :P https://www.scummvm.org/news/20220401/
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<BlueSky76> Begasus: Yeah, that´s a great one indeed. Now we need one on the Haiku website: "Haiku project announces focus shift" or something like that... :-)
<Begasus> lol BlueSky76 :)
<Begasus> Or something like "Haiku now fully supports 3D accelaration!" :P
<BlueSky76> Haiku switches to linux kernel :-)
<Begasus> ^^
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<nekobot2> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55992] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=a12cf089ee7a+%5E7c3cd8fc3ff2
<nekobot2> [haiku/haiku] a12cf089ee7a - FileTypes: save ApplicationTypeWindow position
<nekobot2> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55993] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=83cb10bcbc02+%5Ea12cf089ee7a
<nekobot2> [haiku/haiku] 83cb10bcbc02 - stack&tile: don't allow stacking a window onto itself
<Begasus> how do you stack a window to itself?
<Anarchos> Begasus to itself ?
<Begasus> PulkoMandy's push just now
<Anarchos> Begasus no idea, you may look the code to figure that out !
<Begasus> 0_°
<Anarchos> Begasus strange, it is not attached to a ticket
<Anarchos> PulkoMandy how arises the situation when one can stack a window on itself ?
<Begasus> Maybe something like duplicate windows?
<Anarchos> Begasus i never encounter duplicated windows
<Begasus> well, sometimes (but then not fully the same) as I use more then one repository in different directories, they can share the same name (eg "weechat" & "weechat")
<Begasus> but top level is different (haikuports vs haikuports_games or sandbox)
<Anarchos> Begasus i don't think windows are identified by their titles (rather a unique internal id), so i still don't get the point of PulkoMandy's code.
<Begasus> I'm clueless anyway Anarchos (code-wise) ;)
<Begasus> Still not a fan of rust recipes, take too much time :P
<Anarchos> I wonder if it is possible to build a 32bit haiku image on x86_64
<Begasus> No idea, 32bit is still the main one here
<Begasus> And haven't checked a Haiku build in I don't know how long :)
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<nephele> maybe "Haiku switches focus to Servers and embedded systems"
<Begasus> Would be a good one if the builders weren't down :P
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<Begasus> remind me not to check on rust related PR's ...
<Anarchos> nephele and we could build a HaikuIA which will be as successful as BeIA :)
<nephele> Rather not
<Begasus> ;)
<Begasus> If this takes any longer I'm gonna crash the build :/ (over 2 hours only for a binary)
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<matt2> hi good people ...
<Anarchos> hello matt2
<matt2> hello Anarchos
<Anarchos> i am trying to build a haiku for a x86 32bits target (a pentium 4 PC) on my x86_64 laptop.
<matt2> boh, use g++ 32 bit ?!?
<matt2> maybe ?
<Anarchos> matt2 i am rather fighting with the cross-tools options..
<matt2> i don't know ...
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<Vitto> Dude, P4 are the worse efficiency/watt
<Vitto> do yourself and the planet a favor, put that box on trash and get at least a Core2duo
<Vitto> you'll be able to use 64 bit versions of Haiku
<Vitto> and use less power for it
<Vitto> Nowadays you can grab Core2duo (or better) boxes from enterprises recycling or in second hand market for very cheap prices
<Begasus> It's one thing to buy something (old'er') or use something you already have ;)
<Begasus> Icon added, added Deskbar link ... :) https://ibb.co/WktnSsv
<Begasus> waddlesplash, I think some work needs to be done on xlibe? (looking at Terminal output)
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<Anarchos> Vitto : why do you presume i haven't thought about that, but i don't have enough money to replace this machine ?
<Anarchos> Begasus yes, and i deliberately want to compile haiku for older machines , in order to try to understand stuff at low level, which is simpler on older hardware
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<Begasus> Still have a big tower with P4 here (not sure if power supply or the motherboard is bogus), hasn't booted in years, but I guess it contains some nifty things from 20 years ago ;)
<rennj> space heater
<rennj> your new boat anchor
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<Begasus> Not connected to anything anymore for years (since I switched to the laptops) ... still have an old laptop that runs 32bit (should boot it at one time to see if it still runs Haiku ) :)
<Begasus> In the big tower still 4 HD's
<Begasus> SBLive, NVidia card .. wonder if they are still alive :P
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<rennj> sblive,matrox g400, realtek 8139 was winning combo for like beos,solaris,freebsd,linux, and amithlon/amigaos...
<rennj> probably qnx also
<rennj> 20+ years ago..a real retro machine
<rennj> yeah nothing but laptops past 15+ years.. i dumped all the towers..
<Begasus> oh right QNX ran pretty fine there
<Anarchos> rennj my goal is to learn deeper and deeper in low level of software/hardware, so an 386 could be prime choice :)
* Anarchos remind how would perform a SOC with many 8086 cores cadenced at GHz level...
<Begasus> 386 .. that woud be about -30 years ago :D
<rennj> pentium pro/mmx would be lowest i would go
<rennj> 286/386 would be painful
<rennj> and 486
<Begasus> think it was something like "gem" that ran back there?
<Anarchos> rennj painful to use sure, but smoothly to learn asm and low level stuff i guess
<rennj> those fpga misters cover most of that old hardware
<rennj> think it has 486 core even
<Begasus> my first experience with an OS :)
<rennj> yeah i was going to say atari
<rennj> dr.dos
<extrowerk> better april 1 news would be a n article about "switching to the serenityOS kernel" or a news like adding amiga-subsystem-for-Haiku
<Begasus> heh
<Begasus> never did atari
<Begasus> came a long way, never learned a thing :P
<rennj> better than bloated fs-uae
<Begasus> don't have the big slots anymore for the floppy's (although they should be around somewhere) ;)
<Begasus> after the 386 came the 486 and Win3.11
<rennj> the retro computer seen, i think gem still gets updated
<Begasus> it does?
<rennj> yeah i think so
<rennj> atari tt030 1GB of ram on youtube
<rennj> 256MB cards x 4
<Begasus> not bad
<johnny_b> pointless 8)
<Begasus> we still have an active atari user group here in Belgium
<rennj> freegem/opengem also
<Begasus> BeOS is pointless too johnny_b (but still some are running it) ... well maybe not pointless, you know what I mean :)
<nephele> rennj: mmx is also haikus baseline iirc
<rennj> yeah i think for solaris 2.5.1 for x86 that was bare min, mmx or pentium pro.. but my memory sucks
<nephele> Anrchos: we have images you can use for 32bit, why not install it and then compile on the machine?
<rennj> pentium90mhz would not do
<rennj> you want like pentium mmx 166mhz cpu or better
<ablyss> you guys want to hear something cool? Of all the OS's so far I've ran on Virt-manager, Haiku seems to be the most stable. :)
<kallisti5[m]> lol. My r1beta3 installs are all in virt-manager
<Begasus> Arch runs pretty fine in VBox too :)
<kallisti5[m]> make sure you add a tablet interface. Haiku's mouse experience is a lot better via usb tablet instead of ps2 mouse
<kallisti5[m]> "EvTouch USB Graphics Tablet"
<nephele> I think that is a give for every vm :p
<ablyss> i have no GL support in virt w/ haiku though. Not sure why
<Begasus> Haiku runs just fine for me in VBox :)
<kallisti5[m]> ablyss: weird. You should be getting llvmpipe software rendering at minimum
<nephele> Got a new Logitech keyboard, the included usb-a to usb-c cable is decorative "charging only" but atleast the website sais you can charge it on every OS
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<ablyss> maybe because I'm using nouveau and not nvidia drivers for the main system?
<nephele> ablyss: that should not matter
<nephele> we don't have anything like virgil3d for opengl passthrough, nor do we have 3d drivers specific to vms generally. You should therefore have the llvmpipe driver avaiöavle which is always installed
<nephele> if it is unusable or missing in the vm that would be very strange
<ablyss> gonna do some testing.. cya
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<Begasus> Just booted the old laptop, Aspire 5610, still has Haiku hrev53523 on it (32bit) ;)
<Anarchos> nephele i want to learn how to build images with my own modification, to deploy them and tests them on real hardware
<Begasus> let's see if we can update :)
<nephele> Anarchos: Yes, normally you would do so on the hw itself i imagine. Cross compiling is harder but should be possible
<Anarchos> nephele currently, i am compiling the buildtools with cross-compile options, but it takes hours on my laptop to compile them :)
<nephele> Yes... It's a shame you basically have to compile the entirety of gcc and friends again for a small change in target
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<nephele> zig with llvm lets you target every arch they have on every arch without any cross compiling ;)
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<Begasus> k, let's see if we can get the old lapotp on par with Haiku
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<Begasus> seems my ethernet cable is bogus too, but the old laptop still boots fine after the update :)
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* Anarchos is still compiling buildtools
<Begasus> Someone is having a hard live here .... https://ibb.co/dBL0wwW
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<Begasus> heading down here, cu peeps!
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<ablyss> seems the virt opengl issues were related to the nightly build install. -- after I installed the normal R1/beta3 the Gl info app shows up the normal gl info and other 3d apps work
<ablyss> updating R1/beta3 now and gonna see if that breaks it, hopefully not ;)
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<ablyss> everything's working still... awesome
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<extrowerk> a broken make install spawned 1000+ subshell
<extrowerk> Haiku survived
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<extrowerk> bash said: "/bin/sh: warning: shell level (1000) too high, resetting to 1"
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<zdykstra> That's pretty good, heh.
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<x512[m]> Haiku do not support LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
<Skipp_OSX> I'm sure it does ...
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<x512[m]> It seems called LIBRARY_PATH without "LD_".
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