robclark changed the topic of #aarch64-laptops to: Linux support for AArch64 Laptops (Chrome OS Trogdor Devices - Asus NovaGo TP370QL - HP Envy x2 - Lenovo Mixx 630 - Lenovo Yoga C630 - Lenovo ThinkPad X13s - and various other snapdragon laptops) - https://oftc.irclog.whitequark.org/aarch64-laptops
<clover[m]> Pinebook Pro struggles to run VS code. It can do it, but not much else with only 4GB ram
<clover[m]> On the other hand my x13s is the perfect machine for working. That is if no one bothers you for an impromptu huddle or zoom call lol
<bamse> clover[m]: the incoming camera support looks good enough to overcome that obstacle... but depends on pipewire behaving
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<steev> i didn't mind the pinebook pro's touchpad
<steev> definitely didn't like the keyboard, but ironically enough, i just purchased one a couple days ago...
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<albsen[m]> <konradybcio> "wait, t14s *STARTS AT* 2700!?" <- wow, further reviewing the specs, soldered 32gb, m2 2242 drives and 1920x1200 ips. isn't that the x13s all over just with a different cpu? I was hoping they go for m2 2280 and at least one replace-able ram slot; maybe a higher res screen for 2700usd (plus tax). makes my x13s look like a steal at 700usd (also 32gb).
<HdkR> albsen[m]: T14s is supposed to start at $1700. Lenovo doing Lenovo things
<albsen[m]> HdkR: probably
<albsen[m]> for 1.7k it's "ok" if the screen is not the usual (not) "quality" the put in T series
<HdkR> Base screen is 1200p, IPS, 400nits, 45% of NTSC screen
<HdkR> So at least not the 250nits absolute bottom tier things we used to get
<albsen[m]> the x13s screen is great. but its an x series. t-series is hit and miss (the famous panel roulette)
<HdkR> Top tier screen is an 1800p OLED, 120hz, 100% DCI-P3, HDR
<albsen[m]> * panel roulette) - at least not 250nits agreed
<albsen[m]> HdkR: thank god it's not oled, they tend to eat battery
<HdkR> Well, one option is an oled, two are an IPS. So pick your poison I guess
<albsen[m]> ah, I see, I was referring to the lenovo store, they only show one option as far as I can see. 120hz is great actually.
<HdkR> Oh yea, Lenovo store isn't letting you customize yet, which is disappointing
<albsen[m]> they also mentioned 64gb ram in the article. now it gets interesting
<HdkR> Indeed, up to 64GB
<albsen[m]> I guess I wait till all the disappointed windows on arm users sell theirs on ebay barely used 🤣
<HdkR> Not a bad idea. By then the device trees might even be upstream
<albsen[m]> when trying to make it work i noticed that 1/2 the integrated OS programs aren't compiled for arm 🫢
<albsen[m]> so, no wonder its sluggish its emulating and OS
<albsen[m]> s/and/an/
<steev> which apps? i'll admit that i don't use the windows side *heavily*, but it has never felt sluggish to me
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<Dantheman825[m]> from what I can tell, nowadays if I open up task manager on Windows, well over 80% of those processes are native
<Dantheman825[m]> Microsoft did pretty well with porting all their components and applications, it's just every other app out there you have to worry about
<Jasper[m]> <albsen[m]> "when trying to make it work i..." <- This has been fixed for a while
<Jasper[m]> I think the last one that was stuck was Onedrive
<konradybcio> You can't have replacable lpddr albsen:
<Jasper[m]> <konradybcio> "You can't have replacable..." <- LPCAMM2
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<konradybcio> Check the number and price point of devices that implement it
<Jasper[m]> It's very new
<Jasper[m]> I think there's precisely one module on the market so far
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<konradybcio> I think it's virtue signaling
<HdkR> lpcamm is pretty cool. Looking forward to basically zero ARM devices supporting it :P
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<Jasper[m]> <konradybcio> "I think it's virtue signaling..." <- By whom?
<Dylanger[m]> <HdkR> "https://www.anandtech.com/show/2..."; <- Daaaaaymmmm 64GB of RAM?!?? I assumed the max was 16 because all of the others were
<Dylanger[m]> I'm gonna be really sad if you can't use virtualization properly
<HdkR> Dylanger[m]: There's a bunch of 32GB as well
<Dylanger[m]> I'm a daily user of QubesOS, but these devices would have me move away 💯, the efficiency aarch64 gives you is 🔥
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<Dylanger> I'mma wager Thinkpads come out with Linux support first?
<HdkR> Dunno. Haven't seen a device tree yet
<Dylanger> The devices haven't been properly released yet tho right?
<HdkR> June 18th is the release date
<HdkR> So a bit of time left
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<konradybcio> Manufacturers to avoid right to repair bills Jasper:
<\[m]> <HdkR> "Top tier screen is an 1800p OLED..." <- who needs that though
<\[m]> is windows emulation on woa transparent yes?
<\[m]> ah it is seems, mm and how is it performing vs rosetta
<\[m]> 700usd for x13s is a steal in any case, mind you
<Dylanger> <\[m]> "who needs that though" <- I do, I love the finest looking terminal window 😆
<martiert> how do people get battery info for the x13s these days? Previously upower just worked, but now it just gives me a percentage of 0, which is weird.
<travmurav[m]> is the battery in /sys/class/power_supply ?
<albsen[m]> <\[m]> "700usd for x13s is a steal in..." <- I actually got 2, x13s 16gb for 400usd and later on (when realizing I need 32gb) an x13s 32gb for 700usd. sold the 16gb one to a friend of mine.
<martiert> I have qcom-battmgr-ac, qcom-battmgr-bat, qcom-battmgr-usb and qcom-battmgr-wls in there. upower tells me it is: `/org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_qcom_battmgr_bat`
<\[m]> I discovered yakuake btw, since guake wasn't working on asahi, still haven't found a nice shortcut combo with alt
<travmurav[m]> does qcom-battmgr-bat/uevent give you sane data?
<Jasper[m]> \[m]: If I install it, I generally use ctrl-alt-t
<\[m]> seems oled burn in is still a thing
<\[m]> Jasper[m]: ubuntu default 😄
<martiert> I believe so: I get OF_NAME, OF_FULLNAME, OF_COMPATIBLE_0 +++
<martiert> with actual values
<\[m]> I'm super used to alt o
<Jasper[m]> \[m]: KDE too hahaha
<\[m]> albsen[m]: ebay?
<albsen[m]> yes
<travmurav[m]> martiert: does it have "present" value?
<martiert> no, it does not travmurav[m]
<travmurav[m]> ugh
<martiert> I do have pmic_glink loaded, which adds pmic_glink_altmode and qcom_battmgr
<travmurav[m]> what's the kernel version?
<martiert> 6.7.5 from steev
<travmurav[m]> upower after some updates hates batteries that aren't explicitly present
<travmurav[m]> it's like over a year even maybe for this change
<travmurav[m]> afaict upstream battmgr has present nowdays so perhaps you want to update the kernel
<martiert> that's strange, it worked a few weeks ago. Then I updated the kernel and it went away
<martiert> get this both with the kernel from steev, and from the upstream 6.7 kernel. At least I know what to look into now. Thanks travmurav[m]
<travmurav[m]> hm that one should report present too afaict
<travmurav[m]> but there is no "present" file in the sysfs entry anyway? :S
<travmurav[m]> as in, 6.7 kernel battmgr
<martiert> I'm currently running 6.7, but with qcom_battmgr, should I try unloading that and loading battmgr?
<travmurav[m]> I meant the exact qcom_battmgr you should be running
<martiert> aaah, there is a file the called present. Doesn't contain anything though
<martiert> I thought you were looking for a `present` entry in the uevent file
<martiert> if I try to cat any file there, like present, status, energy_now+++ I get `No such device`
<travmurav[m]> martiert: uevent should say ..._PRESENT=1 and the file should contain "1" too
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<travmurav[m]> so if it doesn't do you have the battery inside your laptop? xD
<travmurav[m]> does the sound work btw?
<travmurav[m]> i.e. are the remoteprocs loaded
<martiert> hahaha, it is definitely there. My laptop doesn't power off when I unplug the cable :P
<martiert> let me test
<martiert> hmmm... doesn't look like it, pulsemixer only shows me a dummy output
<travmurav[m]> yeah probably your problem is that adsp cpu didn't boot
<travmurav[m]> and it's the one that communicates data to battmgr
<martiert> aaaah, is that some firmware I might be missing, or a module I need to load?
<travmurav[m]> either or, yes
<martiert> \o/ I did recently remove a lot of firmware files I downloaded from other places, trying to run on upstream linux-firmware mainly. I'll try to revert that and see. Thanks
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<agl> Where can I download linux-firmware... ? In the repo of debian/testing isn't it.
<Jasper[m]> Their gitlab repo
<agl> where?
<agl> URL?
<Jasper[m]> the .41 wifi firmware is in Kalle's though
<Jasper[m]> agl: I'm not against sharing it, but I'm on my phone and you could've googled it in the meantime.
<Jasper[m]> My apologies
<agl> ok
<agl> Thank you
<Jasper[m]> np!
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<agl> Jasper[m]: How can I install it. I have cloned the git repo.
<Jasper[m]> Copy and paste whatever firmware you need in the desired folder
<Jasper[m]> Otherwise you'll have to package it yourself
<agl> ok
<\[m]> <Jasper[m]> "the .41 wifi firmware is in..." <- I got it from linaro repo
<Jasper[m]> \[m]: Yeah same
<Jasper[m]> Actually no, Kalle's personal repo
<Jasper[m]> mb
<\[m]> I wsa more like double checking if that's fine 😄
<agl> Jasper[m]: Sorry but I don't know it: Where is kalle's personal repo?
<agl> github.com/kalle is it not.
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<qzed> agl: github.com/kvalo
<agl> Thank you qzed
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<steveej[m]> anyone selling their x13s by chance?
<agl> it's so sweet ... NO!
<Dylanger> Damn Dell's new XPS's also support the new X1 💦
<Dylanger> It's like, the first time Dell's XPS line has had anything other than Intel, I've always loved XPS devices but hated Intel
<steveej[m]> <Dylanger> "Damn Dell's new XPS's also..." <- what does X1 refer to here?
<Dylanger> Snapdragon® X Elite X1 Processor
<Dylanger> From Snapdragon® X Elite X1E78100 Processor
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<bioxvirizm[m]> <steveej[m]> "anyone selling their x13s by..." <- Yes, i.
<steveej[m]> <bioxvirizm[m]> " Yes, i...." <- cool, i sent you a DM
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<agl> clover[m]: Are you here?
<clover[m]> Yes hi agl
<agl> clover[m]: I have seen that you have updated the kernel to 6.9.1 for your EndevourOS ARM Distro.
<agl> clover[m]: I have updated it, but now the Kernel starts but don't find the root.
<agl> clover[m]: It seems the initrd is NOT ok.
<clover[m]> Yes using the johan defconfig. I think steev stopped carrying laptop defconfig. People have already complained that the johan one is too sparse. It might not support your filesystem.
<agl> I have ext4
<clover[m]> What do your kernel parameters look like?
<agl> I use the parameter which are on your linux-x13s in the README.md, also arm64.nopauth.
<agl> Can you say all kernel parameters which are neccessary?#
<clover[m]> here is what i have:
<clover[m]> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="loglevel=3 quiet efi=noruntime pd_ignore_unused clk_ignore_unused arm64.nopauth"
<agl> I have identical this parameters without quiet.
<clover[m]> great
<clover[m]> please check your /etc/mkinitcpio.conf and ensure these modules are there:
<clover[m]> MODULES=(nvme phy_qcom_qmp_pcie pcie_qcom i2c_hid_of i2c_qcom_geni leds_qcom_lpg pwm_bl qrtr pmic_glink_altmode gpio_sbu_mux phy_qcom_qmp_combo panel-edp msm phy_qcom_edp)
<clover[m]> if not, then you need to add then and run mkinitcpio -P in a chroot with your EFI partition mounted at /boot
<agl> Where define I this modules? In which fiel have I to write this?
<clover[m]> * in a arch-chroot with
<agl> I have done this also
<agl> (chroot and mkinitcpio -P)
<steev> steveej[m]: i will sell mine for 2800...
<clover[m]> ok, tell me more about your system. does it have an encrypted root?
<agl> no
<agl> i have one Partition on the internal nvme SSD
<agl> it's ext4 and the EFI-Partition contens the grubaa64.efi for booting.
<agl> The directory in the EFI-Partiton is called "GRUB" which contens the grub booter.
<clover[m]> by what method does the kernel find the root? is it a UUID? a PARTUUID? a label?
<agl> It's a normal intallation without encryption.
<agl> UUID
<agl> I have parallel a debian installation so I can look if the UUID is correct.
<agl> I have made chroot
<clover[m]> if you reinstall grub can you post your output? e.g. output of grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
<agl> Where can i define the modules do you write below. In which file have I to write this?
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<agl> At this Moment not, because I'am in the Clubhouse and not at home. Later I can do this.
<clover[m]> i posted above, /etc/mkinitcpio.conf
<agl> Ah into this file have I not yet looked.
<agl> I will look if all Modules which you say are in this file later when I again at home.
<agl> And I post the output of grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
<clover[m]> great, it's probably a missing module. another user posted the same thing. probably due to config being more sparse now
<agl> Thank you for your pations
<agl> I will again later here.
<\[m]> <steveej[m]> "anyone selling their x13s by..." <- soon
<\[m]> but what to sell it for though, feels like people don't care or it has to be dirt cheap lol
<clover[m]> depends what model
<gwolf> \[m]: FWIW I bought my C630 from a regular in this channel, at US$300 about two years ago.
<clover[m]> 32GB + WWAN model, with touchscreen will be way more than 8GB non-wwan
<gwolf> It was slightly below the running price in ebay...
<\[m]> <steev> "steveej: i will sell mine for 28..." <- hahaha
<steev> \[m]: i gotta fund my T14s somehow :D
<\[m]> yeah it's 2TB, 32GB and 400nits
<\[m]> steev you're still short
<gwolf> \[m]: I will happily buy it fo US$300 😉
<\[m]> when does it become a collectors items
<\[m]> s/items/item/
<\[m]> lulz I paid 1.7k
<\[m]> with 1TB disk
<gwolf> I know... I'm a cheapskate (and am happy with what I have)
<steev> \[m]: i know :(
<steev> gwolf: to be fair the c630 is still quite performant
<gwolf> I like having laptops I can walk comfortably with without being worried of somebody "helping me" lose it
<JensGlathe[m]> just add splatter marks on the outside
<JensGlathe[m]> \[m]: that sounds quite fair tbh, why sell
<\[m]> tb4 on arm? how
<\[m]> and when are we getting usb4
<\[m]> ffs
<\[m]> I don't want tb
<agl> clover[m]: I'am not yet at home, but from the Debian installion (i have access to my x13s from the Clubhaus) i have make a chroot. In the MODULE variable in /etc/mkinitcpio.conf was nothing "()". Now I have updated it and I will see when I'am at home if your 6.9.1 Kernel boots.
<\[m]> anyway I'm not selling it until I've had time to test all functions on the m1 asahi, I can play dota on 4k screen on macbook air m1 lol
<Jasper[m]> \[m]: It's not chained to Intel anymore by default
<agl> clover[m]: The nvme Module was not loaded and I mean that is the reason that the partition of the EndevourOS ARM was not found.
<Jasper[m]> \[m]: Functionally the same now
<\[m]> the xps keyboard seems to really suck at first sight though, did you type on it yet dgilmore?
<\[m]> Jasper[m]: exactly but not license to be paid
<\[m]> s/not/no/
<spawacz> speaking of buying a laptop, does anyone have one with snapdragon 8 and international keyboard layout for sale, around EU?
<spawacz> and how performant is this cpu compared to say rk3399 or rk3588?
<\[m]> I do I guess, if you mean x13s
<spawacz> no, similar to gwolf I'm looking for something that i would cry after losing
<spawacz> would not*
<JensGlathe[m]> spawacz: rk3588: CPU performance of (unoptimized) rk3588 is about 75% of sc8280xp iirc
<JensGlathe[m]> GPU no idea, I guess by far not better
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<\[m]> I never tested dota on windows on this laptop mm maybe I'll test that 😄
<\[m]> but the partition is too small 😭
<Segfault[m]> sc8280xp is like twice as fast as an rk3588 assuming no thermal throttling
<Segfault[m]> rk3588 isn't even as fast as sc8180x
<\[m]> whoa you can't find x13s on ebay 😲
<spawacz> the cheapest I can find is 700 EUR
<agl> clover[m]: I have make "mkinicpio -P" and the initramfs-linux.img is much bigger as bevor. Now the file /boot/Persisted_Capsules.bin is generated which was not generate yesterday.
<\[m]> <spawacz> "the cheapest I can find is 700..." <- 16gb 1tb 300 nits I assume
<spawacz> 256gb disk
<\[m]> i probably should just get cheap arm board for media center instead of streaming from the laptop and my heat problem would be solved lol BUT NO
<\[m]> oh yeah
<spawacz> btw, how much would you ask for yours?
<\[m]> the 2tb disk alone was 300 euro something
<spawacz> is it replacable?
<\[m]> yeah
<\[m]> dunno 1.2k?
<\[m]> I can give the 1tb disk with
<\[m]> I actually have 3 total lol
<spawacz> I plugged my old rockpro64 to a tv, it's doing a great job
<\[m]> yeah I installed that gaming OS on it now
<\[m]> haven't tested yet tho
<\[m]> are you running kodi?
<spawacz> Debian :D
<\[m]> plebian you mean 😄
<clover[m]> Is kodi good?
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<\[m]> what's the alternative? it's resource heavy but the ecosystem is HUGE
<\[m]> you can go openelec or mediavault (that was the only one working on rockpro64 for a while as a standalone)
<\[m]> libreelec* seems
<agl> clover[m]: Now I'amat home. I have started EndeavourOS ARM on the x13s. Kernel started andthe root file system is mounted. I can make a login er ssh. But when the X11 system want to go the screen is black. The system runs but X11 not.
<agl> I mean I have to update the firmware for the adrena GPU.
<steev> check the xorg logs?
<agl> steev OK ...
<HdkR> \[m]: Need an 1800p screen? No. Want? Yes, I'm buying it.
<HdkR> Will likely need to hook up gamescope to some games so they don't try rendering at that ridiculous resolution
<\[m]> more pixels is nice, but oled as a technology is just not mature yet imo
<\[m]> would a burn in fall under warranty though?
<\[m]> or I'm just paranoid af 🙂
<HdkR> I'm expected to burn in a nasty image of my idle Steam library
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<agl> clover[m] & steev: it's bevor X11 starts. At the kernel start it stays at bluetooth 6 seconds and then the screen goes black. No Xorg.log is produced. At "mkinitcpio -P" it gives a warning that therr are no console fonts.
<agl> Blind I can select the different consoles (tty2 to tty6). I see at the ssh login that the five agetty are started.
<agl> An another warning at "mkinitcpio -P" is that there the symbol "drm_..." not found in any module which is loaded.
<steev> i do not know anything about how arch and mkinitcpio works at all, sorry, but it still sounds like you're missing modules
<agl> steev: I will wait until clover[m] is here.
<agl> steev: Do you know how can i install console fnts?
<agl> s/fnts/fonts/
<steev> presumably there's somewhere in arch packaging, maybe search with the package manager for console fonts
<agl> or i mean the name of the packages which ar necessary.
<steev> refer to my previous statement about not knowing how arch works :) if it were me, i'd search the packages for console fonts, or even google it
<agl> ok
<agl> I find no packages with the name "console fonts"
<steev> the arch wiki probably has something about it, maybe
<agl> The packages which are displayd are all no fonts
<steev> but i have absolutely no experience with arch or endeavor, sorry
<agl> ok
<steev> so it would just be me googling and then asking you if you've tried something, and that's not a good use of time for me :)
<\[m]> <HdkR> "I'm expected to burn in a..." <- vulkan shaders processing hahaha
<\[m]> <steev> "i do not know anything about how..." <- same as initramfs afaict
<HdkR> Nah, I got Vulkan background shader processing disabled because I was getting banned from Steam's CDN because of it
<HdkR> Too many ARM devices trying to compile my entire library
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<agl> steev: In wiki.archlinux.org I find somthing about console fonts.
<steev> \[m]: i've never had to set any sort of console fonts or anything, but maybe debian just comes with them, idunno
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<clover[m]> agl make sure you are using upstream mesa
<clover[m]> You might have an order version that was compiled with an older llvm or something
<steev> oh, i do remember someone else ran into that in here
<agl> clover[m]: Where can I get the upstream mesa. Under github.com/ironrobin?
<agl> I remember, that i have for a long time mesa not updated.
<clover[m]> No. You can move my repo underneath the upstream arch repos in /etc/pacman.conf, and that should allow you to pick up the upstream mesa package.
<agl> clover[m]: Howis the name of your upstream mesa package. I have moved [ironrobin-x13s] to the end of the list and have made "yay -Syyu".
<agl> mesa is installed from extra
<clover[m]> It is not my package. I am not upstream. Arch Linux ARM is upstream
<clover[m]> I only host like 3 packages other people use these days
<agl> clover[m]: How is the name ov this 3 packages?
<KieranBingham[m]> Going for a long shot on here ... does anyone have the OV5675 datasheet for the camera sensor on the X13s ? The sensor driver keeps bugging (or rather the sensor keeps bugging out) so I think some additional driver debug is required.
<clover[m]> agl: You can find the full list here https://github.com/ironrobin/x13s-alarm/releases
<agl> clover[m]: OK, I havve found it, but there is no package with contens the name "...mesa..."?
<agl> clover[m]: It's 10 files an two source-files
<clover[m]> I do not host mesa. Upstream hosts mesa. I think you can just do pacman -S extra/mesa
<clover[m]> Maybe it's in core? Idk. I am not on my machine right now
<agl> clover[m]: mesa was installed from extra. Now I have it reinstalled ...
<agl> clover[m]: When I run "mkinitcpio -P" there is printed the following warning: ==> WARNING: No module containing the symbol 'drm_privacy_screen_register' found in: 'drivers/platform'
<agl> clover[m]: And the Warning: ==> WARNING: consolefont: no font found in configuration
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<agl> steev & clover[m]: I get following messages in dmesg:
<agl> [ 31.710964] vreg_l6b: disabling
<agl> [ 31.710978] VCC3LCD: disabling
<agl> it seams the Vcc of the LCD is is diabled at this time.
<agl> steev: Under Kali/Debian: In which file are defined the module which are included when update-initramfs is called?
<agl> steev: I have found it: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules