robclark changed the topic of #aarch64-laptops to: Linux support for AArch64 Laptops (Chrome OS Trogdor Devices - Asus NovaGo TP370QL - HP Envy x2 - Lenovo Mixx 630 - Lenovo Yoga C630 - Lenovo ThinkPad X13s - and various other snapdragon laptops) - https://oftc.irclog.whitequark.org/aarch64-laptops
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<steev> if only they provided distro maintainers with devices to help make it happen :(
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<steev> they probably just mean ubuntu and redhat
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<jglathe_x13s> sounds like debian and ubuntu
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<lollaritits[m]> how do i use the built in speakers with pipewire on the x13s?
<lollaritits[m]> pulseaudio cant handle bluetooth
<lollaritits[m]> pipewire can but cant handle built in speaker
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<travmurav[m]> lollar (it/its): on alpine/pmos?
<lollaritits[m]> yup
<travmurav[m]> I thiiink it should work with PA, maybe some optional dependency missing by default though (cc craftyguy )
<lollaritits[m]> oof so i have to get PulseAudio back
<lollaritits[m]> oh god
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<Jasper[m]> It works both on pw and pa
<Jasper[m]> Just soft
<lollaritits[m]> so im just missing a package?
<Jasper[m]> I've had issues with the 3.5mm jack, worse on PW than PA
<lollaritits[m]> the DAC is absolutly horrible
<lollaritits[m]> i use a USB DAC
<lollaritits[m]> for the dock
<Jasper[m]> I mean it worked okay on Windows, I think there's just some tuning missing
* travmurav[m] quickly provisions a new pmos install to check if bt sound works ootb for him
<Jasper[m]> The amp on the speakers is low on purpose though, because the hw speaker protection isn't hooked up (yet)
<steev> ^^
<lollaritits[m]> currently the speaker doesnt work at all
<lollaritits[m]> even tho it appears in pavucontrol
<steev> definitely works here with pipewire (kali/debian)
<lollaritits[m]> i cant even use a youtube video to test
<Jasper[m]> steev: Same on Fedora on both PW and PA
<steev> i can't tell with pa because i'd have to punt my beloved gnome which has moved to pi
<Jasper[m]> What kernel version are you on? What alsa ucm conf version?
<steev> pw*
<lollaritits[m]> bluetooth on PA worked only for a speaker
<lollaritits[m]> not for headphones
<lollaritits[m]> the speaker is utter crap tho and uses no special codecs
<lollaritits[m]> 6.9.0 rc7
<lollaritits[m]> alsa ucm conf wasnt installed
<steev> you definitely need those
<Jasper[m]> ^^
<lollaritits[m]> do i need any more?
<lollaritits[m]> do i also need to restart/reboot?
<travmurav[m]> at least restart pa/pw
<Jasper[m]> lollaritits[m]: I'm guessing you do have pd-mapper?
<steev> you might want to also, just in case, stop the alsa-restore service, delete the asound.state and let it recreate it
<lollaritits[m]> the sound works
<lollaritits[m]> but it sound like a tin can now
<steev> your asound.state is probably in a bad... state
<lollaritits[m]> i rebooted the whole machine tho
<lollaritits[m]> Jasper[m]: yes
<steev> so you deleted asound.state, stoped alsa-restore and rebooted?
<lollaritits[m]> steev: where do i need to delete that?
<steev> usually it's in /var/lib/alsa/
<steev> idk if pmos puts it there, but i'd hope so... but some distros have a distaste for fhs ;)
<travmurav[m]> I think it's there indeed
<steev> the important thing is stopping the alsa-restore service when you do so, otherwise, it'll just write the same file out again at shutdown
<lollaritits[m]> nope
<lollaritits[m]> it still sounds like a tincan
<lollaritits[m]> but it is indeed located there
<steev> if you have windows still installed... does it sound like a tincan there?
<lollaritits[m]> no windows here
<lollaritits[m]> sorry
<lollaritits[m]> steev: there is no alsa services
<lollaritits[m]> that i could stop
<travmurav[m]> I think windows uses some extra dsp magic to improve (preceived) sound a bit, like what apple does too
<steev> isn't there some x13s package that pmos has that's supposed to install all the stuff
<travmurav[m]> yes it's supposed to install all dependencies
<steev> i have no idea how pmos works :(
<lollaritits[m]> steev: the documentation doesnt tell me anything
<travmurav[m]> so if the system was bad from install then it's a packaging/os issue per pmOS
<steev> however that gets installed, you wanna install that
<travmurav[m]> it must be installed
<lollaritits[m]> i lack half the alsa packages
<travmurav[m]> lollar (it/its): how did you install the os btw?
<lollaritits[m]> pmbootstrap
<lollaritits[m]> followed the bit of documentation there is
<travmurav[m]> and which ui?
<lollaritits[m]> sway
<lollaritits[m]> okay with all the alsa packages it works now
<lollaritits[m]> i guess switching from pulseaudio to pipewire removed them
<lollaritits[m]> lollaritits[m]: i was forced to
<lollaritits[m]> all my friends said im not allowed to use i3 anymore
<steev> that's fair, friends don't let friends use i3
<steev> (says the gnome user)
<lollaritits[m]> but my wonderfull config 🥺
<steev> i'm sure it was quite lovely in 2008
<lollaritits[m]> with the shortcut for Deutsche Bahn SBahn Rhein Necker announcements
<steev> is that some sorta food?
<lollaritits[m]> steev: you only bully me till its the year of the i3 desktop
<lollaritits[m]> steev: a train company
<steev> most of the i3 config should carry over
<travmurav[m]> jhovold: iirc you asked me about bt mac on sc7180, apparently I misremembered and the default is indeed 39:98:00..00:5a:ad on aspire1
<lollaritits[m]> yeah
<lollaritits[m]> im quite happy
<lollaritits[m]> does the pipewire script now work in my sway config?
<steev> which pipewire script
<lollaritits[m]> have fun with suicide thoughts
<lollaritits[m]> btw
<travmurav[m]> lollar (it/its): well, I've just installed brand new pmOS install with gnome and BT audio "just works" ootb with PA
<travmurav[m]> that is, on another arm laptop
<lollaritits[m]> the passengers in the train are also very happy i debugged my sound
<travmurav[m]> but I think it should've been the same for you too
<lollaritits[m]> travmurav[m]: the jbl shower speaker i have worked too
<lollaritits[m]> but neither my overears nor my airpods liked connecting
<travmurav[m]> oh wait only some devices didn't work?
<lollaritits[m]> yes
<lollaritits[m]> both have some fancy crap in them
<travmurav[m]> oh I bet that's some codec stuff then
<lollaritits[m]> airpods well
<lollaritits[m]> apple
<travmurav[m]> I thought it didn't work at all
<lollaritits[m]> travmurav[m]: ye
<travmurav[m]> I guess best I have is aptx thingie and it "just worked"
<lollaritits[m]> travmurav[m]: the overears have a fallback mode
<steev> my airpods... sometimes connect, and someitmes work
<lollaritits[m]> but i dont know how to trigger that
<steev> but i think i had to turn on experimental for bluez
<lollaritits[m]> first class deutsche bahn is made for linux debugging!
<steev> sadly, where i am, we have no awesome transport like that
<lollaritits[m]> hm?
<lollaritits[m]> where is that?
<steev> i'm deep in south texas, about an hour or so from mexico
<lollaritits[m]> oh
<lollaritits[m]> i want to do amtrak
<steev> we have crap transport and everyone needs to have a car, really
<lollaritits[m]> but holy fuck are they expensive
<steev> though, we do have these electric scooters you can rent for like 39 cents a minute
<travmurav[m]> lollar (it/its): hm so I have an impression after looking at package deps that PW in alpine depends on all the fancy codecs but PA does not :(
<maz> if you want to complain about extensive railways, try the UK.
<steev> those are super fun to ride, but can't really hack while on them
<maz> expensive*
<lollaritits[m]> im going through half of germany right now!
<lollaritits[m]> Frankfurt Centraal to Berlin Centraal
<lollaritits[m]> travmurav[m]: the error messages looked exactly like this
<travmurav[m]> I wonder if it's dynamic linking and one can just apk add things from depends of pw: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/community/aarch64/pipewire-spa-bluez
<travmurav[m]> but cc craftyguy
<travmurav[m]> though perhaps the fix would be mass switch to pw across pmOS that was being discussed recently xD
<travmurav[m]> oh I didn't understand how it works, pa uses gstreamer to get the same codecs so it should actually have both aptx and ldac, and it reports that it has first
<travmurav[m]> lollar (it/its): do you have gst-plugins-bad?
<steev> i do here, and it's still a crapshoot if it'll work this time or not
<lollaritits[m]> <travmurav[m]> "lollar (it/its): do you have gst..." <- let me check
<travmurav[m]> lollar (it/its): `apk list -I gst*` FYI
<travmurav[m]> if it wasn't there then I'd assume that was why PA didn't have extra codecs
<lollaritits[m]> is installed
<lollaritits[m]> dont know if it was installed before switching from PA to PW
<travmurav[m]> weird then...
<lollaritits[m]> btw how do i get the battery percentage out of pd-mapper?
<travmurav[m]> pd mapper is urelated to battery other than the cpu that does battery magic needs it to boot
<lollaritits[m]> okay how else do i get the battery percentage
<travmurav[m]> you should have the data available in /sys/class/power_supply/
<travmurav[m]> if you want to read it directly (reading uevent file should show a nice summary)
<travmurav[m]> I guess there is usually also upower that tracks/aggregates the data, provides predicitons
<lollaritits[m]> travmurav[m]: i there is alot of things
<abby> the relevant power supplies are qcom-battmgr-{bat,usb}
<lollaritits[m]> cant find the exact one
<lollaritits[m]> most say no data
<lollaritits[m]> okay energynow seems to have something
<travmurav[m]> lollar (it/its): capacity should be %
<abby> you need to use energy not charge
<travmurav[m]> they are the same thing in different units
<abby> charge isn't implemented so it does ENODATA
<travmurav[m]> and the qcom battmgr exposes both but only one has data depending on how firmware feels like
<travmurav[m]> afaiu
<lollaritits[m]> oof
<lollaritits[m]> okay
<lollaritits[m]> i dont care
<lollaritits[m]> if the device gets emtpy
<lollaritits[m]> i will notice
<abby> i had to patch polybar to do things properly
<lollaritits[m]> swaybar can do it somehow
<lollaritits[m]> but i dont want to use swaybar
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<jhovold> travmurav[m]: thanks for checking, apparently the default address comes from the board file so depends on which controller you have
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<jhovold> I've added support for reading out the default address before downloading the fw so that we can detect controllers without a vallid address properly
<jhovold> Support is already in 6.9.
<jhovold> valid*
<travmurav[m]> Nice, I think it indeed forbidden me from using it until I set the mac on 6.9, I assume it's that
<jhovold> heh, yeah, that should be it :)
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<jhovold> Here's an updated wip branch for the X13s:
<jhovold> Changes include:
<jhovold> - fix regulator debugfs regression (for camera)
<Jasper[m]> I forgot to ask, are there any major changes for the x13s that a layman would notice? I know people are hard at work at improving usbc muxing, audio and camera, but I haven't seen anything in particular in the phoronix article.
<jhovold> Jasper[m]: what phoronix article?
<Jasper[m]> jhovold: I tend to check the feature overview articles per linux release if anything is mentioned in particular
<jhovold> and which kernel are referring too? fingerprint reader and USB-PD (ucsi) will be enabled in the upcoming 6.10-rc1
<Jasper[m]> jhovold: Ah, interesting. Good to know
<jhovold> still hoping to get the touchscreen fixed in 6.10 and the fixes backported to stable
<jhovold> and camera should make it into 6.11, so there are things in the pipeline
<Jasper[m]> Nice! I see updates here, but some of the interesting stuff is probably discussed in private or more specific channels. I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask
<Jasper[m]> I find mailing lists hard to navigate sadly so I miss some of it
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<martiert> anyone know what needs to be loaded to get usb support in initrd on 6.8.9? When I moved over, my yubikey is not recognized during boot, and so I need to input my luks password instead of using my yubikey
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<craftyguy> travmurav: I only use pw on my x13s.
<craftyguy> steev: nice, I grew up down that way :P
<Jasper[m]> <martiert> "anyone know what needs to be..." <- iirc you need qcom_q6v5_pas and a piece of firmware in there
<Jasper[m]> Can't remember off the top of my head which one it is exactly though
<steev> craftyguy: heh, ironically, i broke up with one of my first girlfriends because i wanted to live in cali, and she wanted to live in texas. now i live in texas and she lives in cali
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<jglathe_sdbox2> martiert:qcom_q6v5_pas and all qc*8280.mbn files need to be in initramfs IME.
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<Jasper[m]> @jhovold considering pd is going to get merged into 6.10. Has anyone ever figured out why lenovo shipped the 65W charger with the x13s?
<Jasper[m]> Markings on the bottom indicate they only do 15V/3A max
<steev> i thought bamse already sent his 6.10 merges
<steev> oh, usb pd
<steev> haha, i was thinking the pd-mapper driver :D
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<craftyguy> Jasper[m]: maybe it was cheaper to just ship a charger they already made for somethign else than to design/build a lower watt charger?
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<abby> they have a 45W version iirc
<abby> i'm not complaining, i can always do with more 65W chargers
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<\[m]> jhovold did you manage to include nf_table ?
<\[m]> I'm wondering if other people still have a pretty hot backside? is that because I'm usually watching streaming on 50 inch screen and thus unavoidable in such setup?
<\[m]> like more GPU cycles and CPU so you can't avoid such heat production?
<\[m]> or might there be performance improvements that make the cpus/gpus work more efficiently?
<\[m]> I have no clue and I might have to sell the x13s eventually since it's hot enough as it is here 😄
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<steev> \[m]: are you using my patchset? because i patch it to allow it to get hotter than normal for HdkR
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<robclark> patch for gpu thermal throttling is still on list, fwiw.. I think steev's patch is more likely to be the thing that lets it get toasty, but I suppose it theory the gpu could as well
<\[m]> <steev> "\: are you using my patchset..." <- ah yes until my vpn works I do
<\[m]> ugh I always forget you're on irc
<steev> you can revert the Make it hotter patch
<steev> well, i'm on matrix too, i just never use that client
<\[m]> ah it's not your kconfig ?
<\[m]> I'm on johans latest but rc6
<\[m]> btw from a dev point of view, isn't asahi dev insane? from what I read on their blog it feels like they have to write a lot of new stuff
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<Jasper[m]> <craftyguy> "Jasper: maybe it was cheaper..." <- Both are listed on the specsheet hahaha
<Jasper[m]> Could still be region related though
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<craftyguy> haha 🤷
<steev> if you're using johan's sources, then you are by definition not using mine :)
<craftyguy> ya I'm definitely not complaining about having an extra 65W usb-c charger thing :P
<lollaritits[m]> i have the small one
<steev> and if you're on rc6, you're also definitely not on johan's latest
<lollaritits[m]> thats nice
<\[m]> latest relevant latest-ish
<\[m]> I don't think there's anythong heat / performance improvement on last 2 commits
<\[m]> I also has smoll power adatper
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<lollaritits[m]> i usually use the mac 70W adaptor tho
<lollaritits[m]> or the dell thunderbolt dock that pushes 180W
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<\[m]> the adapter is also 65w I checked
<steev> it shouldn't get *that* hot by default, iirc, it's 65c by default before it starts throttling
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