<mika_f>
thanks a lot! also that's a new name to browse for through the system and the sources
<extrowerk>
it is a beos legacy.
<extrowerk>
you should consider to write a graphical launch roaster client and use less cryptic names
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<mika_f>
i wonder why when i `launch_rooster stop x-vnd.be-post` the Mail icon disappears from Deskbar but when i ^C an own mail_daemon the icon stays there and i can still click it and its menus and do things which seem to be handled by it
<extrowerk>
yep, there are bugs i suppose. i already seen this too
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<mika_f>
so that's a bug but is mail_daemon running then or not? btw funny how i keep running it on my actual mailbox and i keep accidentally getting messages deleted from imap by mistakes, so i'm ^C-ing it while it keeps spitting out "UID STORE <id> FLAGS (\Deleted)".. i just rebooted to be able to have the regular mail_daemon instance again to be able to stop it as a service haha
<extrowerk>
check the process list. if it is there, it runs, if not ,then not, i think.
<mika_f>
i was already thinking mail_daemon simply forks to be a daemon, but what does launch_rooster do then, it has to be sending some signal to it... well the thing is i think i didnt see it in the process list.. but ig i gotta recheck as i was in a rush due to racing with my messages getting deleted
<extrowerk>
the replicant in the deskbar hovewer runs in the Deskbar process-space, or something similar. it can be possible it is not listed in the process controller separately.
<extrowerk>
you can Shift+click the mailbox icon in the deskbar and force shutdown it
<mika_f>
oh thanks
<extrowerk>
be warned: i did it once, and then it doesn1t wanted to show up afterwards in the deskbar.
<extrowerk>
i had to remove the account and readd it, but it was tricky. please fix that code if you have some time.
<extrowerk>
thanks
<mika_f>
ooh lol
<mika_f>
thanks
<extrowerk>
and be warned: take my words with a grain of salt, i am not a developer, i have red name only for the aesthetics.
<netpositive>
and because red is santa's favourite colour ;)
<mika_f>
shift leftclick only opens the "New mail" query for me, shift rightclick does show me the additional context menu option of "Disabling mail services" but it does nothing
<mika_f>
ps | grep mail # outputs nothing
<mika_f>
(after i ^C-ed mail_daemon)
<extrowerk>
Shift+right click adds a "Shutdown mail services" option here.
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<extrowerk>
then it is dead, Jim.
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<mika_f>
but the icon stays there after i do "Shutdown mail services"
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<mika_f>
ooh i can make it disappear by *not* ^C-ing it and doing "Shutdown mail services"
<mika_f>
i can't reproduce it failing to show up in the deskbar afterwards
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<AlwaysLivid>
Hi, just to be completely sure about semantic and pedantic details, Haiku is *derived* from NewOS and (re-)implements certain parts from both BSD and Linux, right?
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<AlwaysLivid>
Alright, I think I managed to establish that my information is not incorrect, I'll get back to work!
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<julicenri>
AlwaysLivid: To be extra specific, the Haiku hybrid kernel is a fork of the NewOS microkernel.
<Begasus>
extrowerk, I guess libopenmpt and openblas can be merged (checked with depending recipes?) ?
<julicenri>
Haiku has a FreeBSD compat layer, primarily for network drivers.
<julicenri>
Not sure if there are any parts in it directly from Linux.
<AlwaysLivid>
Alright, so I'm very much up to speed.
<AlwaysLivid>
I just rewrote the FAQ exactly the way I described (but deleted the "Linux" part after I saw that there isn't anything other than some homebrewed filesystem-related drivers)
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<nephele[x]>
Hi
<nephele[x]>
funny that the printer dialog figured out from the usb descriptor what the name of my usb printer is, but i still had to select the model from the gutenprint dialog :/
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<nephele[x]>
the printer test page also seems to use OS colors which is kinda strange :)
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<BrunoSpr>
hi all... Telegram does not remember window position on Haiku 64 bit nightly anymore, once it was working?!
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<IPGlider>
/!\ THIS CHANNEL HAS MOVED TO IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #HAMRADIO /!\
<IPGlider>
/!\ THE JEWS HAVE TAKEN OVER FREENODE, CHATS HAVE MOVED TO IRC.LIBERA.CHAT /!\
<IPGlider>
/!\ JOIN #HAMRADIO TODAY. THIS CHANNEL HAS MOVED TO IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #HAMRADIO /!\
<IPGlider>
THIS OFFICIALLY ENDORSED MESSAGE WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY LIBERA.CHAT STAFF
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<jadedctrl>
who's trying to discredit libera, you've gotta wonder
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<vdamewood>
Discredit rival, Make spambots spam ev'rything, Step 3 is profit.
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<nephele[x]>
must be the work of an enemy stand :)
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/!\ THIS CHANNEL HAS MOVED TO IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #HAMRADIO /!\
<Aelius>
/!\ THE JEWS HAVE TAKEN OVER FREENODE, CHATS HAVE MOVED TO IRC.LIBERA.CHAT /!\
<Aelius>
/!\ JOIN #HAMRADIO TODAY. THIS CHANNEL HAS MOVED TO IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #HAMRADIO /!\
<Aelius>
THIS OFFICIALLY ENDORSED MESSAGE WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY LIBERA.CHAT STAFF
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<AlwaysLivid>
that should do it
<AlwaysLivid>
i just hope that these guys still haven't begun storing lists of scraped channels somewhere or something
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<trn>
Hi AlwaysLivid - just FYI, I know who's doing the spam, and +s isn't helpful, that script doesn't use LIST at all.
<AlwaysLivid>
trn, funnily enough, i think i was actually told in confidence that *you* were the one responsible for the spam by a person that i can't remember?
<AlwaysLivid>
but yeah, whatever, if there's a one in a million chance that it's you, please don't, and i really have no idea what to do other than setup a bot with filters that will be bypassed in two seconds anyways
<trn>
Ha. Well, you can take mt word, I hope, that I'm not. However, it used to be on GitHub, actually, the script. It works by doing a LIST only once, then having some clients join different channels and do a WHOIS on everyone to find other active popular channels, as well as a list of names.
<AlwaysLivid>
trn, setting the channel to +s seemed to have worked before, so i'm just presuming that they kill the bots after a while and then just scan the entire thing again?
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<trn>
Yeah, it doesn't keep the data between runs, I don't think.
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<AlwaysLivid>
yeah that's what i sort of meant, it oddly seemed to work
<AlwaysLivid>
i assumed that it either ran /list or that it ran a /whois against people in #oftc and then joined channels automatically
<AlwaysLivid>
anyways, daily reminder to everyone, if you want to prevent your username from being stolen at all and make people unable to use your username without logging in beforehand, do /MSG NICKSERV SET ENFORCE ON
<extrowerk>
is there any hidden setting which can render my haiku install monochrome? (i mean black-and-white, with grey-tones, but no other colors)?
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<iisi>
Hmm, good question. BeOS used monochrome whenever it couldn't find a matching display driver, I think.
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<Begasus>
cu peeps
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<nephele[x]>
extrowerk: color depth?
<nephele[x]>
I know atleast, that the kernel debugger font has a code path for if only black and white is available, but i have no clue how or why that gets activated :)
<extrowerk>
i use framebuffer, so only one option available.
<nephele[x]>
I just realized i've been running haiku at 16bit colordepth for like half a year
<nephele[x]>
and this display can even do the ... uhm, higher than 32bit color space :)
<nephele[x]>
(but i don't think haiku supports that?)
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<nephele[x]>
would maybe be a good GSOC project, or display color calibration
<nephele[x]>
... how can i edit those proposals anyway?
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<Niklas[m]1>
Hello,I'm having a problem with Midnight Commander (mc) in the Haiku Terminal.Everytime I move my mouse over the Terminal window,it spams huge masses of nonsense text at the text cursor location.This happens in the local mc install as well as installations on Linux servers when used from SSH within the Haiku Terminal.It works fine local on Linux machines and in SSH using Linux as client.Any idea how to solve that?
<Niklas[m]1>
Also the mouse clicks don't trigger any functions in Midnight Commander like they do in KDE Konsole for example but that's okay,I can work with only a keyboard.But accidentally hovering the window messing up the whole text file is a big problem for me :/
<nephele[x]>
destroy the concept of vt terminal emulators? I would guess this happens because it sends the sequences for the mouse cursor pos but it fails to interpret this somehow
<bitigchi>
Niklas[m]1: did you try installing Konsole and trying with it as well?
<nephele[x]>
maybe you can set the TERM variable differently, but i am just guessing
<Niklas[m]1>
Konsole is available at Haiku? :O Thanks for the hint,I'll try that
<Niklas[m]1>
What should I set the TERM variable to?
<_Dario_>
hi Niklas[m]1 I have the same issue with Terminal, when use some curses apps
<_Dario_>
However, Konsole works very well
<_Dario_>
use it instead of Terminal, for curses apps.
<bitigchi>
Konsole is available for Haiku, but a bug report is appreciated as well (for Haiku Terminal)
<_Dario_>
I guess there is one already. Let me check.
<_Dario_>
if not, I can open it
<Niklas[m]1>
Konsole having 42 dependencys is...well...not that cool :/
<nephele[x]>
It's KDE software
<nephele[x]>
and kde likes tree deps, they aren't all that big though...
<bitigchi>
Niklas[m]1: you will probably install them in the future anyway :)
<Niklas[m]1>
Installing it anyway because I use Midnight Commander excessively and need it to work correctly.
<nephele[x]>
such a pesimistic outlook!
<nephele[x]>
Niklas: maybe check what TERM Konsole uses, and try to set that
<nephele[x]>
(to be fair installing and deinstalling stuff on haiku is, apart from downloading, really painless)
<Niklas[m]1>
Yes,installing stuff here works really good
<Niklas[m]1>
But I'm at vacation and wasn't sure how good my hotel wifi handles the big download.It was faster than at home actually :D
<_Dario_>
there is the ticket, for the mouse input in MC
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<Niklas[m]1>
The ticket seems to be a bit outdated."It works the first time you click a menu but..." - no,in the current version it doesn't work at all.
<nephele[x]>
Konsole uses dbus? for whaaaat .-.
<Niklas[m]1>
Tested using the Beta on my desktop at home and using the Nightly from a few weeks ago,here on my laptop.
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<Niklas[m]1>
Konsole works great :D
<_Dario_>
:-)
<bitigchi>
Niklas[m]1: it would be helpful if you've updated the ticket with the recent details
<bitigchi>
and you can upvote the ticket too
<nephele[x]>
update the ticket then, please, and up... damn you bitigchi!
<nephele[x]>
;)
<bitigchi>
8)
* nephele[x]
increases the priority of wanting tab completion
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<bitigchi>
people always miss the upvote part
<nephele[x]>
It's a small button
<bitigchi>
i wonder if it's possible to add text next to the arrows
<bitigchi>
sure it would attract more clicks
<nephele[x]>
Of course not, html explicitly forbids putting text next to arrows in track :)
<bitigchi>
oh well.
<Niklas[m]1>
I don't have an account at the bugs page but I'll make one now ;)
<nephele[x]>
konsole colors are really bright...
<nephele[x]>
TERM didn't help btw
<Niklas[m]1>
I found another bug today :/ Wifi networks are shown multiple times.
<nephele[x]>
Each displayed network there really is a different access point
<Niklas[m]1>
Ah okay
<nephele[x]>
They share the same SSID but not the same BSSID
<nephele[x]>
i think probonod had made a ticket about that
<nephele[x]>
but fixing this requires more thought than just grouping them in the UI, because we then want the OS to automatically hand over to different access points if the signal starts to suck and such... :)
<Niklas[m]1>
dev.haiku-os.org locks me out because of Tor by the way :(
<nephele[x]>
because of tor?
<Niklas[m]1>
StopForumSpam says this is spam (ip [99.91])
<Niklas[m]1>
StopForumSpam says this is spam (ip [99.91])
<nephele[x]>
okay, well, either temporatily disable it or send an email to an admin to get a manual account then :( (or make a forum post asking for one... seemed to work in the past too)
<nephele[x]>
(or ask on the ML i think)
<Niklas[m]1>
Surfing in a guest wifi without Tor seems a bit risky to me ;) Do you have a email address ton write to?
<nephele[x]>
one moment
<nephele[x]>
haiku@freelists.org
<nephele[x]>
for some reason freelists sensors their own email list adress in their archives...
<nephele[x]>
Why is trac so slow today anyway, i can't seem to load it properly
<nephele[x]>
timed out, bad gateway, 404 for the index :(
<Niklas[m]1>
Loads very slow for me,too.I thought that was because of my network
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<nephele[x]>
niklas: ticket for wifi handover if #15181
<Niklas[m]1>
I just sent a mail to the mailing list with request for an account.
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<Anarchos>
hi
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<nephele[x]>
Don't see an email on the ML Niklas[m]1
<Niklas[m]1>
That's weird.It's shown as sent and I didn't receive a error response.
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<Niklas[m]1>
Sorry but I discovered one more bug :/ When I have some windows arranged as tabs and go to fullscreen with F11 and then go back,the windows and their contents are messed up.For example,I saw Otter Browser but it had the window title of Quaternion.If I then really go to Quaternion,something very bad happens that can only be fixed by pull energy + reboot (see screenshot)
<iisi>
Woo! I just made a damaged BeFS on /raw mountable, by comparing to four partitions on three other devices.
<iisi>
Part of the second block had been overwritten with what looked like a timestamp! D-:
<iisi>
But I had to guess some parameters/info that was different on every BeFS tthat I compared, so: here be dragons; read-only mode advised.
<iisi>
If I had any clue how a timestamp got there, I'd try to reproduce, and then make a ticket.
* iisi
hands DiskProbe cookies, ramen, and an extended edition boxed film set of DiskProbe's choice
<Anarchos>
iisi i restored a damaged partition table by hand some years ago
<Anarchos>
iisi months of work to recover the beginning/end of bfs partition...
<iisi>
I'm slightly tempted to trying reading the code to figure out what the guessed values should be.
<Anarchos>
iisi my best advice would be to dd the entire bugged partition to another hard drive and try to solve its issues while keeping a frozen backup
<Anarchos>
iisi did you installed the bfs_tools ?
<Anarchos>
recover can be of great help
<iisi>
Good question. Haven't though about them in a while, because I haven't needed them in ages.
<iisi>
All this distracted me from trying to find out why a nightly newly written to another USB stick using Linux acts as a no-boot-key. That is, if it is plugged in during boot, no boot device works.
<Anarchos>
iisi until you need them to recover critical personnal files on a damaged bfs partition :)
<iisi>
After boot, all my Haiku installs can mount it.
<iisi>
It's like the old iPod problem: various old Macs can't boot if an iPod is attached, and there's no sensible error message.
<iisi>
So, if you're evil and need the money, just insert one of these in the back and people wild bring in their machines...
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