<Anarchos>
Begasus here 'café" is for "coffee", so i don't understand
<Begasus>
In French it's Café yes, in Dutch it's Koffie :)
<Begasus>
SUMMARY="A deep learning framework"
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<Begasus>
No idea what it does, but I can't stand loose ends :)
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<Begasus>
k, cleaned up, new build to check changes/patches :)
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<Begasus>
wb extrowerk
<Begasus>
Anarchos, Cafe in Dutch means pub :)
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<Guest6>
Anarchos: you need to figure out on which port app_server wants to communicate and set up a tunnel with that port to ubuntu
<Guest6>
then with the /chosen/ port on the ubuntu side fo the same to the second haiku instance
<Guest6>
heh, cafè, still want to learn french (again)
<Guest6>
anarchos: if you can ssh between the two haikus directly that makes it easier also
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<ermo[m]>
out of curiosity, if I create a dedicated (non-uid-0) ssh user, will that user get mapped to uid0 automatically?
<ermo[m]>
I can't for the life of me get ssh root logins working, even when setting `PermitRootLogin yes` set in `sshd_config`...
<Anarchos>
Guest6 i can't : they are not on the same network
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<Anarchos>
Guest6 by the way, when they are on the same network, i can't neither
<Anarchos>
i get : RemoteView: failed to connect to 192.168.2.4:10900
<ermo[m]>
Tunneling should be simple(-ish). Set up the tunnel so localhost:<chosen-port> is mapped to remote-host:<ssh-port>, then connect to localhost:<chosen-port>.
<kallisti5[m]>
ermo: "if I create a dedicated (non-uid-0) ssh user, will that user get mapped to uid0 automatically?" - nope
<kallisti5[m]>
user is set as uid 0 just for convenience. We don't have a login system, so we just map the desktop "user" to uid 0. You can add additional users though which are non-uid 0
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<Anarchos>
kallisti5[m] anyway with two machines on same network , i can't make remotedesktop working
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<ermo[m]>
kallisti5: so I should actually be using ssh user@<haiku-system> ?
* ermo[m]
can't remember if that's what he did
<Anarchos>
ermo[m] that is what i use
<kallisti5[m]>
yes. user is haiku's default username
<kallisti5[m]>
also.. make sure you restart sshd after setting PermitRootLogin yes
<ermo[m]>
Hm. I can do a `ssh user@<public-ip-of-haikubox>` successfully from the haikubox itself, but not from an adjacent linux box on the lan.
<kallisti5[m]>
that makes it sound like your gateway isn't correct on the haiku box or the linux box
<kallisti5[m]>
also.. public ip meaning not 192.168.2.4?
<ermo[m]>
Received disconnect from 192.168.1.89 port 22:2: Too many authentication failures
<kallisti5[m]>
what you're attempting is called hairpin nat
<ermo[m]>
Err ... no.
<Anarchos>
user@localhost is less fun than Walter@shredder , or baron@walter
<kallisti5[m]>
waddlesplash: SUCCESS!
<kallisti5[m]>
getting MTU's of 1156 with an MTU of 1200
<Anarchos>
ermo[m] you need to define the passwd for user in haiku too : open Terminal, just type "passwd" and follow the instructions
<ermo[m]>
I did.
<ermo[m]>
The haikubox-to-haikubox ssh session asks for that password, which I supply and I'm then logged in successfully.
<ermo[m]>
That's the point -- it works locally, but not over the network. The two boxes are connected to the same switch on the LAN on the same RFC1918 subnet.
* ermo[m]
checks the linux journal
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<ermo[m]>
I'm sorely tempted to do some packet sniffing here to better understand what the heck is going on
<ermo[m]>
kallisti5: for reference, I can ping the haikubox from the linux box and vice versa just fine.
<augiedoggie>
is your linux box running ssh-agent and trying to send a bunch of keys to the Haiku box?
<ermo[m]>
and they can see each other's MAC address via the ARP table too
<ermo[m]>
augiedoggie: That might be the culprit!
<ermo[m]>
the linux box is running kde w/an ssh agent
* ermo[m]
double checks the ssh manual for how to turn up the verbosity
<ermo[m]>
augiedoggie: `ssh -vvv user@haikubox` shows that a fair few keys are being tried.
<ermo[m]>
So that supports your suspicion.
<augiedoggie>
i run into this problem often, i usually have to modify my .ssh/config for each host to have it offer the right key first
<ermo[m]>
Why is this a problem on haiku (but not on e.g. Linux)?
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<ermo[m]>
what I mean is: This appears to break the principle of least astonishment...
<augiedoggie>
linux has the ssh-agent running with a bunch of keys loaded, and it tries all of those keys when you connect
<augiedoggie>
haiku probably doesn't have any keys loaded in the agent
<ermo[m]>
yes, but why do those attempts count as authentication attempts?
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<ermo[m]>
Because I think that might be the root cause
<augiedoggie>
iirc, you can turn off key authentication for certain hosts
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<augiedoggie>
but each time it tries a key should count as an attempt in my opinion
<ermo[m]>
If I have n keys and n > k, where k is the maximum authentication tries on haiku by default, it feels like merely trying the key exhausts the amount of attempts openssh on haiku is configured to allow?
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<ermo[m]>
Hm. I can sort of see that argument.
<ermo[m]>
I've just never run into that issue before is all.
<ermo[m]>
I suppose I could test this hypothesis by allowing 100 attempts on haiku and see if that improves things.
<groxx>
How much money do GSoC participant get?
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* Anarchos
has so much haiku architectures on the network that he had to print the hostname in $PS1, via bashrc !
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<groxx>
I'm interested in making native Haiku app for painting with realistic and unrealistic brushes
<ermo[m]>
interesting little inconsistency: If I turn off the ssh server in the Network Preferences interface, the ssh server doesn't change status to 'off' in real time (I need to close Network Preferences and restart it to see the new 'off' state).
<ermo[m]>
However, if the state is 'off' and I press 'Enable', the state is update to 'on' in the same Network Preferences instance.
<ermo[m]>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<Anarchos>
ermo[m] same other way : if you kill sshd, it is not displayed as off in Network Preferences
<ermo[m]>
Huh.
<ermo[m]>
Lots of small papercuts it seems ^^
<ermo[m]>
(not a criticism)
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<Anarchos>
ermo[m] i like when actions are immediate, no need to click a button
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<ermo[m]>
It has to be said, though, that the clickable button label changes state from Enable to Disable (and back)
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<ermo[m]>
ok, cheers to augiedoggie for the following solution:
<ermo[m]>
And now password based authentication works as expected.
<ermo[m]>
Interesting issue.
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<ermo[m]>
* 0600 ~/.ssh/config`)
<Anarchos>
ermo[m] so the trouble was the missing "'password' in PreferredAuthentications ?
<ermo[m]>
no, the trouble was that by default ssh is configured to try publickey authentication first
<Anarchos>
ok so you put publickey at the end of the line
<ermo[m]>
Which makes the default config on Haiku go "uh no thanks, kthxbai"
<ermo[m]>
before the linux ssh client trying to connect even got to the point of trying password authentication
<ermo[m]>
* the default sshd config on
<ermo[m]>
according to `man ssh_config` the default config is `PreferredAuthentications gssapi-with-mic,hostbased,publickey,keyboard-interactive,password`
<ermo[m]>
I just overrode that order for the haikubox specifically
<ermo[m]>
(on the linux client)
<ermo[m]>
How do I contribute that piece of knowledge to the haiku ssh documentation for future reference?
<ermo[m]>
I mean, as a workaround until the root cause is sorted
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<ermo[m]>
On nightly, I sometimes have the issue that the system won't shut fully down and just hangs at the dialog with the title "Shutdown status" with the message "Shutting down..." (and a greyed out "Cancel Shutdown") button.
<ermo[m]>
i.e. it appears that it successfully shuts down the various servers/services
<ermo[m]>
but then hangs just before actually powering off the system?
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<augiedoggie>
the ssh "problem" isn't just for Haiku though, i have the same issue with my linux boxes because i have so many keys loaded
<ermo[m]>
kk
<augiedoggie>
not sure about the shutdown hang
<ermo[m]>
so basically my anecdotal evidence isn't proper data
<ermo[m]>
(which is fair enough)
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<Begasus>
My main setup is still with VBox, so not running Haiku (64bit) native that much
<Begasus>
Nice, caffe for 64bit ok on buildmaster (32bit still running)
<Begasus>
grpc on the other laptop still running also (crosses fingers)
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<Anarchos>
Begasus i only use qemu or VBox to reproduce/solve bugs, but i try to use it bare metal
<Anarchos>
best way to find bugs and test their fix !
<Begasus>
For Haiku yes, but I'm mostly involved in haikuports, so Haiku's internals are not that big of a deal to me
<Begasus>
Specially because I can't boot 32bit native (well got one laptop that could do it, but don't have place on my Desk to set it up somewhere) :)
<Begasus>
The other (3) laptops only boot Haiku native in 64bit
<Anarchos>
Begasus i did the same error, and now i install only 32 bit on its partition and 64 bits on another
<Anarchos>
side by side on same machine
<Anarchos>
so i can just reboot to test other architecture
<Begasus>
heading out here, bbl
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<Anarchos>
ermo[m] where can i put the ssh-agent/ssh-add comment, so they are run only once even if i open many Terminal ?
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<nekobot2>
[haiku/haiku] 1c23e6bcf1fb - intel_extreme: leverage VBT device type for internal panel
<nekobot2>
[haiku/haiku] 7ff9722ae396 - intel_extreme: reuse DpAux code for DisplayPort
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<extrowerk>
Hi. A question: let's say i cloned a remote repo locally, created a feature branch and made some changes. Is there any way to ask git if there is any changes upstream in master while the feature branch is checked out locally?
<phschafft>
'git fetch'?
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<extrowerk>
phschafft: danke.
<phschafft>
Kein Thema. :)
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<ermo[m]>
.tell
<ermo[m]>
I don't suppose there's a bot where one can leave messages?
<augiedoggie>
not sure if oftc has a memobot
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<augiedoggie>
nope, looks like they discontinued memoserv support
<ermo[m]>
The main reason I prefer matrix over IRC is persistence. There are other positives, but that's the biggest one.
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<Guest6>
irc is not ment to be persistent, it is mainly expected to be for realtime comms only
<ermo[m]>
I've used it for a number of years on minimal DEs with no GNOME/KDE secrets managers
<Anarchos>
ermo[m] i mean on haiku
<ermo[m]>
If you put it in ~/config/settings/bash_profile, you should be good to go?
<ermo[m]>
I think it's a bash script
<ermo[m]>
with the implication that if you have ssh-agent, you can use it
<Anarchos>
ermo[m] yes i know, i am just looking for a bash script executed only once
<ermo[m]>
that's the point of keychain
<ermo[m]>
it works as a singleton instantiation
<ermo[m]>
The first time you start a shell, it sets up the variables and the agent
<ermo[m]>
in every subsequent shell, it just passes references to said agent
<ermo[m]>
so you end up with exactly one ssh-agent running no matter how many times you fire up a Terminal (or a login shell in general, if you use bash_profile)
<Anarchos>
ermo[m] oh i remember : UserBootScript
<ermo[m]>
Hm. Looks like keychain is nicely written to be portable. It doesn't (yet) support Haiku, but adding support looks feasible from a cursory examination.
<Anarchos>
ermo[m] there is a keychain package in haikuports
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<ermo[m]>
Anarchos: I just looked at the upstream source, not haikudepot. But good on you if it already works.
<ermo[m]>
2.8.5 is even the newest upstream version
<Begasus>
g'night peeps
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<ermo[m]>
Anarchos: The keychain patchset confirms my thoughts on keychain portability. Did you end up installing it or ...?
<ermo[m]>
kallisti5: also, apologies for using incorrect terminology re. the ssh stuff (I said "public ip" when I meant network-card RFC1918 ip)
<ermo[m]>
so it makes sense that you'd ask about NAT in that context.
<Anarchos>
ermo[m] no i didn't try, i will go with the userbootscript solution
<ermo[m]>
I'm kind of curious why that is =)
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<Anarchos>
ermo[m] it is a shell script launch at startup
<ermo[m]>
yes, but how do you enter your keyphrases at that point in the process?
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<ivanh>
Hi all, I'm trying to port the emulator melonDS, I got it to compile after a couple of patches but it won't run, giving the error message "runtime_loader: /boot/home/Packages/melonDS/build/melonDS: Troubles relocating: Bad data"
<ivanh>
I think this means there is something wrong with the format of the executable but I'm not really sure how to proceed
<ermo[m]>
well, if you get it working, I'd be curious to see your solution.
<ermo[m]>
sorry, key passphrases
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<waddlesplash>
ivanh: generally there will be some other error
<waddlesplash>
before that message
<ivanh>
waddlesplash: That's the result of running ./melonDS from the build folder
<waddlesplash>
is there any other error before it?
<ivanh>
No afraid not
<waddlesplash>
perhaps "Static TLS model is not supported"?
<waddlesplash>
well, it got linked some strange way then./
<ivanh>
hmm okay
<ivanh>
Is there some log from the linker I can look at
<waddlesplash>
that error almost *never* occurs by itself though
<waddlesplash>
there should be something else, either in terminal or syslog
<waddlesplash>
so something should be fixed in runtime_loader if nothing else
<ivanh>
alright I will check the syslog, only looked at the output in the terminal so far
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<extrowerk>
just trying to build ClickHouse (ClickHouse® is an open-source column-oriented database management system that allows generating analytical data reports in real-time.) I am at downloading the github repo, it is not that big, but links in tons of 3rdparty stuff, and i already downloaded 1.3 gb data, hopefully not all of that an actual source code. I am not an authority in this things, but shouldn't be there a clear line, your repo with
<extrowerk>
all the git modules should not go above x mb? Btw i use --depth 1.
<ermo[m]>
if the repo uses git modules w/checkouts, then there really is no limit?
<Guest6>
git submodules are "just" git repos with a fixed commit
<ermo[m]>
I wonder if there's a way to pass --depth=1 to the submodules too. That might help?
<Guest6>
you can't make it use less space,t hat is also not what depth does
<Guest6>
ermo: that's not neccesary, it already only downloads the specific commit for each submodule
<ermo[m]>
so it's already --depth=1 for submodules in essence?
<Guest6>
it clones a specific commit for them, not HEAD
<ermo[m]>
you can use --depth=1 with any commit IIRC.
<ermo[m]>
it just means that it doesn't clone any ancestors AIUI.
<ermo[m]>
(unless we're talking past each other)
<Guest6>
There is also a new option called shallow or so that should do the same (but easier to remember)
<Guest6>
ermo: no, i think you are right. not sure if depth has any other implications
<ivanh>
waddlesplash: the line before it in syslog is "KERN: slab memory manager: created area 0xffffffffc1801000 (399659)" - doesn't look related to me?
<waddlesplash>
indeed not.
<waddlesplash>
harmless log
<ivanh>
hmm okay
<extrowerk>
it is already at 2.05 GB
<ivanh>
i tried to use cutter to examine the binary but I'm getting dependency issues when I try to install it with haikuports
<extrowerk>
ermo[m]: i would say it would be better if there would be a limit.
<ivanh>
I guess I'll do it on linux
<ivanh>
from haikuports repo* i meant to say, using pkgman
<ermo[m]>
extrowerk: well, you also come across as fairly opinionated so I can't say that I'm surprised! ;-)
<ermo[m]>
(no offence intended btw)
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<waddlesplash>
ivanh: all dep issues should get reported to haikuports
<ivanh>
alright I'll do that now
<extrowerk>
good night
<ermo[m]>
g'nite
<ermo[m]>
who maintains the haiku lo-fi gemini site (capsule?)
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<ermo[m]>
There's a small typo on the gemini://lofi.haiku-os.org/package.gmi site ('Core operatinog system (...)' -> 'Core operating system (...)') on the 3rd line on the page
<ermo[m]>
other than that, things render decently in kristall
<Anarchos>
ermo[m] no idea for the key passphrases in userbootscript
<ermo[m]>
... then why do you want to use that approach out of curiousity?
<ermo[m]>
isn't the whole point that you enter the key passphrases when you want to unlock a key for use?
* ermo[m]
must be missing some crucial context here
<Anarchos>
ermo[m] i use ssh to access to haiku machines on my local network
<ermo[m]>
fwiw, I got keychain working nicely
<Anarchos>
ermo[m] i don't bother to put passphrase in plain text in userbootscript
<Anarchos>
and i prefer a solution without installing a package
<Guest6>
ermo: you sure specify often that no insult is intended :P
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<ermo[m]>
Guest6 (IRC): well, if I say something that could interpreted in a "pointy" way, I find it best to specify that it wasn't meant that way.
<Guest6>
as for your question, kallisti5 made the initial gemini capsule, but iirc it is maintained with the normal infrastructure on github
<Guest6>
so you can probably submit a pr
<Guest6>
I can interpret anything you say in a pointy way
<Guest6>
;)
<Anarchos>
Guest6 you nasty :)
<Guest6>
It's good to assume good faith normally
<Guest6>
Anarchos: heh, I will be once i kick my bouncers ass for not authenticating me with nickserv
<kallisti5[m]>
Gemini PR's accepted
<kallisti5[m]>
the build isn't automatic (i'll have to build and update the capsule tho)
<Anarchos>
ermo[m] does the web ui to do that on github run smoothly in Web+ ?
<ermo[m]>
No idea. Did fix from my linux box.
<ermo[m]>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<ermo[m]>
say, is there any way to get the original BeOS R5 "flat" theme in Haiku? Only for comparison's sake really.
<Anarchos>
ermo[m] yes in the Appareance preferences, you can change for 'beos' decorator
* ermo[m]
treis
<ermo[m]>
tries too
<ermo[m]>
on nightly, I can only choose "default"?
<ermo[m]>
Do I need to install something extra?
<Anarchos>
ermo[m] no idea.
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<kallisti5[m]>
install haiku_extra
<kallisti5[m]>
it has the extra decorators in it
<ermo[m]>
ack
<ermo[m]>
(and cheers!)
<ivanh>
I read in the recipe file for the port of mGBA that it isn't possible to use Qt5 and SDL2 in the same application on Haiku, the comment in there is from 2018 or so, does anyone know if this is still true?
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<ivanh>
well I just tried to build mGBA against SDL2 and yes it seems it is still true
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<Guest6>
It's probably because SDL2 and Qt5 both aquire a BApplication
<ivanh>
yeah it said that in the comment I saw
<ivanh>
it also said that SDL1.2 checked to see if one had been created first
<ivanh>
I was wondering if that had been implemented for SDL2 as well
<Guest6>
Most of our work on SDL2 is upstream, you can check their repo
<ivanh>
seems that other ports like retroarch use both at the same time so I wonder what the difference is
<ivanh>
ok cheers
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