<missMyN900>
it partially shifts to shades of gray
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<missMyN900>
I was able to access the boot menu by first doing F9 and then spamming the space bar though
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<missMyN900>
it boots with the failsafe/fallback graphics driver
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<missMyN900>
but 1024x768 is the only resolution supported...
<missMyN900>
unlike on my (older) Richland HP laptop the battery info is not detected
<missMyN900>
what was nice is that this newer laptop has an Intel 7265 WiFi card, which is supported by Haiku
<missMyN900>
and so I was able to connect to my 2.4 GHz home WiFi (it also saw my 5 GHz network but I did not test that) and access the Haiku Depot
<missMyN900>
I installed Netsurf and did some brief, basic web browsing
<missMyN900>
of course, it looked terrible due to the screen resolution but it worked
<missMyN900>
so yeah, radeon_hd doesn't work on this HP AMD-powered laptop either (it also has a DP port, by the way), although the failure/bug is different
<missMyN900>
I am not opening a ticket for this since I will be selling this laptop soon (it is partially damaged but nothing screen/graphics related; GRUB with purple Ubuntu color looks fine as did Linux the last time I used that)
<missMyN900>
and besides I only have so much time to spend on debugging/testing etc and I would rather dedicate that towards the Richland laptop that I will be keeping for a long time
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 409af934620d - HaikuDepot: Fix Crash on Shutdown
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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
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<rennj>
unleashed dogs chasing me on my bicycle, terrible dog owners...you own the dog, you own the leash and bag the poo!
<rennj>
i know Begasus has dogs, and dog school..how about you leash your dogs in public?
<Begasus>
I don't own a dog school :)
<Begasus>
And no, our dogs are always on a leash
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* phschafft
thinks about a different world, a better place, with the public in public schools and the public being on a leash...
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<rennj>
i was in a park the other day, multiple people had their kids/pets, then the one jerk with the unleashed dog
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<rennj>
now i had to peddle like crazy outrun the dog, but i do carry mace on bicycle handlebars..cause ive been chased before..Colorado and Georgia was even worse then here in LasVegas
<phschafft>
ah, so you are in the USA? _that_ changes things a lot in terms of context.
<Begasus>
I see people still walking their dogs in the woods here (where it isn't allowed also)
<rennj>
i bet i mace someone's dog and i would be getting in trouble, not the unleashed dog/owner
<Begasus>
unleashed*
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<rennj>
yeah colorado trails was all the time
<rennj>
slowly building my endurance back up...3weeks of riding everyday for 1hour, hope to get back to 2hours a day. 1 ride in morning, 1 ride in evening, 28miles per day/everyday
<rennj>
fight off the next wave of covid...
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<rennj>
las vegas heat really only 2 times to ride in the day, early morning, and early evening
<rennj>
took me a bit, to figure out 1hour path through city, with out being turned into street pizza from some cars,trucks,traffic..
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<rennj>
Ping timeout: 480 seconds so much tcp/keepalive
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<Begasus>
network disconected :/
<rennj>
8minutes is pretty good.. i see less...
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<rennj>
you had * Begasus has quit (Ping timeout: 480 seconds)
<Begasus>
yeah, was starting to worry here ;)
<Begasus>
bbl
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<Anarchos>
hi
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<kquote03[m]>
Hello
<kquote03[m]>
It seems that the new syslog from the 11th gen slow performance issue is the same exact one as the old syslog
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<rennj>
KaiOS is a mobile operating system, based on Linux, for keypad feature phones. It is developed by KaiOS Technologies (Hong Kong) Limited; a company based in Hong Kong, with largest shareholder being Chinese multinational electronics conglomerate TCL Corporation.[5][1] KaiOS is forked from B2G OS (Boot to Gecko OS), an open source community-driven fork of Firefox OS, which was discontinued by Mozilla in 2016
<missMyN900>
what matters is that 1. it comes with Google integration 2. all the actually available phones (in the West) running it suck
<missMyN900>
better to just buy an old LineageOS compatible phone and be done with it
<missMyN900>
don't flash GApps and use it as a feature(ish) phone
<x512[m]>
> 1. it comes with Google integration
<x512[m]>
So non-smartphone mobile phones are dead?
<missMyN900>
yes
<missMyN900>
unless you want to go S40
<x512[m]>
:(
<missMyN900>
but, like I said
<missMyN900>
you can get an old LineageOS compatible phone
<missMyN900>
and use it as a dumb(ish) phone
<missMyN900>
just get a OnePlus 5(T) or something
<missMyN900>
if you want more apps/features, install F-Droid Store
<missMyN900>
of course, forget about banking apps, streaming apps etc
<missMyN900>
but a feature phone does not do that either
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<x512[m]>
I wonder why phone network is not dead already. Internet exist.
<rennj>
what google integration... its html5,css,js
<rennj>
the app store has nothing to do with google
<rennj>
its not running the dalvik java vm..or the newer java vm google has
<Anarchos>
x512[m] UTC rules mandate redundancy for emergency usage on the old phone network. It is not for the internet infrastructure. Not sure if it would make a difference in a real emergency situation though
<rennj>
why 2G/3G is being reused for the 4G/5G/LTE
<phschafft>
why not?
<rennj>
att already shutdown the 3G here
<x512[m]>
To force smatrphones that spy and control users by corporations.
<rennj>
only reason i have kaios phone, is cause my 8year old andround 4.x phone stopped working..cause the cell towers here no longer use that spectrum
<rennj>
same for all the smart car info displays...replace the cellular module in the cars
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<phschafft>
on a purely technical level (please don't mix politics in here. that is a totally different discussion) it makes most sense to re-use bands allocated to one service for... that service.
<rennj>
spy the fbi had nokia turning on microphones back in the 90
<rennj>
spy the fbi had nokia turning on microphones back in the 90's
<rennj>
mafia bosses bringing their nokia phones to meeting..bad idea
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<x512[m]>
What are non-political reasons to stop 3G?
<x512[m]>
Crap economy and force to use smartphones.
<phschafft>
environmental. it costs a lot of energy, it polutes the spectrum, it is expensive to keep working.
<phschafft>
energy and spectrum are both very finite resources.
<x512[m]>
Trashing a lot of 3G hardware is bad for environment.
<rennj>
reuse that spectrum
<AlienSoldier>
screw those "g" and bring me software defined rario for every one
<AlienSoldier>
*radio
<rennj>
3G space is being reused..bandwidth
<x512[m]>
A lot of e-waste.
<rennj>
well apple business model e-waste,right to repair
<rennj>
ipod1
<phschafft>
x512[m]: sure. BUT at least over here they all fall back to GSM, so they don't stop working. also most of them gone out of use for other reasons already. so if we are not yet at the point that keeping the network is worse than trashing the phones then we'll be at that point very soon.
<rennj>
send to landfill replace with ipod2...
<rennj>
planned obsolescence's
<rennj>
phoebus consortium
<rennj>
1000 hour light bulbs
<rennj>
older then everyone in this channel
<x512[m]>
Smartphones are designed to be thrown away after few years. Classical mobile phone can work 10+ years. Have replaceable battery. Environment protecting activists don't care.
<rennj>
my 8 year old android 4.x phone battery still works..
<rennj>
just no 3G now...
<rennj>
and it wasnt user replaceable
<rennj>
this kaios flip-phone is old skool battery user replaceable
<rennj>
i had cell phone early...uniden/motorola bricks..besides the crackberry i had was not phone but 2 way pager
<phschafft>
when I open my IDE it tells me how much market share different versions of android have. and for 4.x it basically tells me: forget about that. ;)
<AlienSoldier>
old Bakelite phones still work fine.
<rennj>
4x was dead ages..i had 8year old phone, not like cars/phones every 2 year consumer upgrade
<rennj>
consume product!
<phschafft>
not sure what the avg lifetime of a smartphone is now (in different places of the world). but it is way shorter than how long we have 4G around.
<AlienSoldier>
i did go fully amish as far as those phone go, never bought one, never will.
<phschafft>
similar here. actually I'm a developer for Android without having any kind of mobile phone myself. ;)
<AlienSoldier>
It is like having a Stasi mic in permanence on you.
<rennj>
motorola nortel nokia..those where early phone innovators
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<rennj>
course canada and blackberry/BES..early smartphones,2way pages
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<rennj>
google bought motorola then sold them to china for the IP, cause sun jvm, and oracle lawsuit
<rennj>
just like m$ who got sued for breaking the java standards
<rennj>
google bought android, not like then invented it
<rennj>
google bought android, not like they invented it
<rennj>
same for tesla
<AlienSoldier>
tesla phone, that should not be far in the future
<rennj>
all those java coders, lets take java and break the write once run anywhere
<rennj>
j2me phones
<AlienSoldier>
jave was destroyed very early in the game
<AlienSoldier>
*java
<rennj>
java phones where very capable
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<phschafft>
java needed to get destroyed?
<rennj>
motorola,nortel,nokia,Ericsson...yeah...those IP
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<rennj>
blame Jonathan I. Schwartz..who gave google freebe
<rennj>
dalvik java vm and ran sun micro into the ground...
<rennj>
before the oracle lawsuit against google over the jvm
<rennj>
cause that 2010..not 2005
<Saijin_Naib>
Besides, KaiOS isn't keeping their changes open, and there still are bugs present that I raised back when I maintained daily builds for FireFoxOS like, 8 years ago
<Saijin_Naib>
It is a shame because I had hoped FireFoxOS would come back via Kai, but it seems not
<rennj>
oh im sure..but i only use it as phone..i could careless about general purpose computer on spyware device i cant control the bmc
<rennj>
i dont use phones for computing period...
<x512[m]>
phschafft: I did contract iOS application development without having any smartphone. Employer provided smartphone for testing.
<rennj>
even my android 2.x phone i rooted rom replace before xda developer took off..i didnt use as general purpose computer
<AlienSoldier>
i refer to my current wire phone as a "smart" pnone.
<AlienSoldier>
*phone
<rennj>
hehe
<AlienSoldier>
walkie talkie are ever smarter
<AlienSoldier>
*even
<rennj>
airsnort!
<rennj>
tcpdump wifi signals..pcap files for later analysis
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<rennj>
wifi pringle cans
<rennj>
remember that ...
<missMyN900>
x512[m]: official reason is they want to use 3G frequencies for 5G and 5G is more "spectrum efficient"
<missMyN900>
it is important to recognize, however, that this higher "spectrum efficiency" is achieved by higher power consumption
<missMyN900>
i.e. more computation intensive algorithms
<missMyN900>
<phschafft> environmental. it costs a lot of energy, it polutes the spectrum, it is expensive to keep working. 5G consumes a lot of energy actually
<missMyN900>
just look at the reported battery life of 5G phones
<missMyN900>
I think they are simply counting on TSMC to make up for it...
<phschafft>
missMyN900: so your point is that keeping 1G plus 2G plus 3G plus 4G plus 5G is more efficient than doing 1G plus 4G plus 5G. so... somehow 2G plus 3G must be negative then I guess?
<phschafft>
so a 2G plus 3G phone must be produce power out of nothing? ;)
<missMyN900>
if it were up to me
<missMyN900>
I would have kept 3G and 4G LTE
<missMyN900>
maybe 5 G sub-6 GHz
<missMyN900>
not interested in mmWave in the slightest
<phschafft>
jup I know that: keeping all the old things never moving forward. ;)
<missMyN900>
"moving forward" is not always moving forward
<phschafft>
you all must have a real fear for the future.
<missMyN900>
depends entirely on your perspective and interests
<missMyN900>
sigh
<missMyN900>
I don't think this is the right place to have this discussion
<phschafft>
missMyN900: I hear the same since 1G. so if we would have followed that plan we would likely still working with smoke signals.
<missMyN900>
so I will let you believe what you want to believe
<phschafft>
(I'm not that old to have actually used smoke singals. just guess that people with fear of the future already existed before I was born.)
<missMyN900>
there is a big difference between 1G -> 2G and 2G -> 3G and LTE (Advanced) -> 5G
<missMyN900>
1G was literally analog
<missMyN900>
2G internet (GPRS) was almost useless
<phschafft>
actually it was fast at the time. ;)
<missMyN900>
again, just saying "this is the future" therefore it must be good is just very ignorant IMHO
<missMyN900>
who decides what is the future?
<missMyN900>
it is not me certainly
<phschafft>
I never said that it is good. I just say that if we move that way (and we do no matter what you say) we should clean up the trash the left before.
<phschafft>
have a good night. I will now have cake. :)
<missMyN900>
sounds almost Orwellian
<missMyN900>
"cleaning up the trash" creates ewaste...
<AlienSoldier>
HP got my interest with "the machine" but seem they bailed out on the idea.
<rennj>
the memristor foo
<rennj>
still waiting for that
<rennj>
they have machine out in space on ISS and such..like m$ machine in the deep ocean..im sure they got coals in the fire for future..but that HPE different company, and agilent spin off was the real engineering
<rennj>
curiousmarc on youtube pins it to 1992/1993 when hp started going down hill with schematics
<rennj>
and he rebuild the apollo AGC
<rennj>
apollo guidance computer the first real test of IC designs
<rennj>
curiousmarc and intel fellow
<rennj>
curiousmarc is intel fellow engineer..
<rennj>
fiber optics i think is thing...patents
<psydroid[m]>
Itanium cores are small by modern standards
<psydroid[m]>
They could have tried again maybe using a different ISA, but it seems the world is moving towards ARM and RISC-V
<psydroid[m]>
it was also a failure of getting affordable devboxes out there, I presume
<rennj>
yeah, got to devs..Ken Shirriff another one...he does the delidding of cpu's and goes over design
<rennj>
Talking with the Moon: Inside Apollo's premodulation processor
<rennj>
heh
<rennj>
Marc Verdiell - CTO, Samtec Optical Group yeah i new it was optics
<rennj>
intel fellow, a walking brain
<rennj>
Ken Shirriff another one
<rennj>
sharp x68000 the god machine, out to the devs...
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<rennj>
i would be fine riscv...no one owns that ip really from my understanding..arm well nvidia purchase..the .uk want to keep it, even though japan/softbank owns stake in it
<rennj>
HONG KONG, May 5 (Reuters) - Arm China said on Thursday its former CEO Allen Wu was refusing to relinquish his role despite being fired last week and that it would overhaul its communication system to protect against its misuse by Wu and his supporters.
<rennj>
Wu, Arm China and its British parent Arm Ltd have been embroiled in a two-year-long dispute and the latest development shows a resolution is not imminent.
<missMyN900>
anyway, I will be installing Alpine Linux on the Richland laptop tomorrow and virtualizing Haiku
<rennj>
same for arm in server space ...2 companies went down that route
<missMyN900>
I doubt there is much interest in adding support for an obscure IDT sound chip
<rennj>
Ampere®
<rennj>
they got like 128 core boxes
<missMyN900>
and I do like the idea of better power management
<rennj>
but is any one buying..and what software
<rennj>
you got to port the x86/64 software over...
<missMyN900>
OpenBSD seems to have gone off the rails for desktop usage
<missMyN900>
you now need to install a third party daemon to preven the CPU from being pegged at max frequency on AC...
<rennj>
openbsd is keeping it real..monolithic kernel, no kernel modules sticking with unix keep it simple...
<missMyN900>
I don't know who decided that that was a sane idea
<missMyN900>
I thought that OpenBSD devs actually ran it on ThinkPads but that seems hard to believe with "updates" such as this
<rennj>
crappads from china...
<missMyN900>
a guy said his CPU temp actually went to 95 C due to this
<rennj>
i would not trust a thinkpad ...you couldnt pay me to use one