<rennj>
you needed other boxes/machines...firewall,nfs,etc...
<rennj>
nat
<rennj>
even bone7a network stack didnt support much...
<rennj>
nfs mounting remote storage i was happy ...now sshfs will do
<rennj>
snort,nfs,privoxy,nat,tcpdump/pcap...
<rennj>
i wasnt going to protect my home network/lan with just beos
<rennj>
f5 big ip! haha probably cost a fortune back in the day
<rennj>
my brocade switches for fiber channel SAN where like $200k a pop
<rennj>
and small port count..like 16/32 ports...
<rennj>
paid $100k for 1GB of ram in like 1994
<rennj>
$44K for 33x1GB scsi drives in 1995...DAS
<rennj>
you know how long it takes to fsck 100 drives when the server crashes
<rennj>
forever...zfs the death to fsk
<rennj>
forever...zfs the death to fsck
<rennj>
never again have to wait to reboot the server and bring it up...
<rennj>
haiku should take zfs on linux and add the bfs attribute foobar to it...
<rennj>
course it probably very complicated to do that...
<Saijin_Naib>
Anyone have thoughts on whether it is better to host x86 Haiku in QEMU or x86_64? Nothing critical, no particular software in mind, just missing it from Zeta days. From what I understand, the x86_64 builds are not binary compatible with existing BeOS/Zeta software, but I'm not entirely sure that matters
<rennj>
well gobe productive isnt going to run...nor any of bebits.com software from the day...
<rennj>
meh choice...its just a tool at the end of day
<rennj>
qemu seemed to run haiku fine when i tried it last...
<Saijin_Naib>
Does the x86 build still get the nice new haikuports that x86_64 gets for modern cross-platform FOSS software?
<rennj>
r1alpha2 thats how longs its been
<jason123santa>
aqemu is a thing
<jason123santa>
i think its that
<rennj>
vmware is still the superior product over virtualbox or qemu
<rennj>
i run haiku vmware still..i'd love to switch to qemu..but their virgl/virtual graphic card i dont think is as good as vmware yet
<Saijin_Naib>
VMWare is not available on the platform I'm using, so it'll be QEMU
<rennj>
vmware doesnt support the kernel i use..but i still patched it...
<rennj>
i've patched vmmon/vmnet so many times over the years...its gotten lame
<rennj>
those 2 kernel modules
<rennj>
kvm/qemu seemed pretty good either way
<rennj>
cpu,disk,net benchmark...is the thing...
<Saijin_Naib>
Doesn't need to do anything but run 😊
<Saijin_Naib>
I'm sure it will be better than it was back on my P3 Celeron
<rennj>
well vmware always need specific kernel to compile against is what im saying
<rennj>
vmmon/vmnet is usally the kernel modules that fail to compile
<rennj>
choose ubuntu or redhat based kernel...and you might be able to run it
<rennj>
cause it will compile clean against those
<Saijin_Naib>
Nah, I'm good on that. QEMU is fine. I spent last summer compiling kernels tracking down hardware (non)support in the platform I use... Changing platforms and compiling kernels is not on the docket for this summer. But I'll keep it in mind if I ever need to run VMware
<rennj>
yeah kvm/qemu is fine ...hope 61billion broadcom purchase...dell sold at the right time
<rennj>
virgl/accelerated graphics
<rennj>
vmware has it now..besided device passthrought
<rennj>
qemu has device passthrough also
<rennj>
so you can give the vm the graphics card
<rennj>
if you have more then 1
<rennj>
gaming proxmox
<andreasdr[m]>
Oh I see lots of ARM64 commits today <3
<andreasdr[m]>
Any news about arm64?
<rennj>
proxmox gaming gpu passthrough
<rennj>
they do all the hard work for you
<rennj>
im old skool i still build my own kernel, and i build rootfs/linux from scratch lazy i just use slackware binaries for that
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<rennj>
3 steps: syslinux/isolinux/grub efi bootloader you build, then the kernel/initrd/initramfs build and then the rootfs build
<rennj>
and couple of months working out the bugs
<rennj>
or go debian,suse,redhat,ubuntu route
<rennj>
linux mint, pop_os still probably do a better job
<rennj>
i know for hidpi display pop_os was ahead of other distro's
<rennj>
but they use upstream ubuntu i want to say, just like linux mint
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<rennj>
ride to live, live to ride!
<rennj>
bicycle time...1hour is not enough, 2 times a day is enough
<Saijin_Naib>
Always a good use of time
<Saijin_Naib>
Enjoy
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<waddlesplash>
missMyN900: you don't have to use mediaplayer, we have VLC
<waddlesplash>
missMyN900: also Haiku's kernel was derived from NewOS but it sharply diverged starting from the beginning (aka, like 20 years ago)
<waddlesplash>
it is fully its own thing at this point
<missMyN900>
I know but if I am going to use VLC, I might (almost) as well use Linux or *BSD ;)
<missMyN900>
I like the GUI of MediaPlayer and it uses ffmpeg anyway
<missMyN900>
I have downloaded some packages from the Haiku Depot website. I can use my makeshift USB drive to transfer those to the Haiku laptop
<Saijin_Naib>
x86 has been chosen so I can try some retro stuff 🙂 Hopefully this also gets the haikuports
<rennj>
i need more calories...bicycle ride took it out of me
<rennj>
heat=work=calories the 1930
<rennj>
technocratity people where correct...everything should be tied to calories
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<rennj>
The Technocracy Movement: Engineers Should Run Things Because…
<rennj>
The technocracy movement of the early 1930s also tried to demonstrate that the current price system was dysfunctional and should be replaced with a system that had a currency of energy.
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<rennj>
unreal engine abstracts all the math away
<rennj>
focus on the gaming content..art,music,etc..
<rennj>
same for the network code im sure
<Saijin_Naib>
HaikuOS x86 works a treat in QEMU. Brutal fast, wow.
<rennj>
yeah the memory,cpu is fast..disk access, might not be...
<rennj>
its been long time for me, so im sure they improved the code
<rennj>
qcow2 or whatever they use now
<rennj>
unity game engine, blender games...so many choices
<Saijin_Naib>
I poke around with iDTech since that's what I'm used to mapping with and working around with
<andreasdr[m]>
Hm. Never heard about id tech
<andreasdr[m]>
YOu mean the Doom makers ....
<Saijin_Naib>
DOOM/Quake engines
<andreasdr[m]>
Jaaaaa.
<andreasdr[m]>
Nice.
<Saijin_Naib>
Up until Carmack's departure, they Open-Sourced every release
<Saijin_Naib>
Still waiting on iDTech5 (Rage Engine) to go open 😫
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<andreasdr[m]>
Yes. John Carmack. He is a pioneer regarding 3d fps games
<rennj>
works for the darkside now...never going to use VR headset tied to fakebook..
<rennj>
secondlife suckers
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<andreasdr[m]>
Hmm I have also currently no interest in VR
<andreasdr[m]>
Meta or such
<andreasdr[m]>
Dont care
<andreasdr[m]>
Ah yes he is CTO of .... what was the name
<andreasdr[m]>
Occolus
<andreasdr[m]>
Hm
<x512[m]>
Single player VR games exists such at Beat Saber.
<andreasdr[m]>
Yes, true. My neighbour borrowed me a VR Set for litarally a year. I just did not touch it. So I conclude: I dont care.
<andreasdr[m]>
Maybe later.
<andreasdr[m]>
Vulkan can be used with VR I heard.
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<rennj>
go amd! fuck the cuda
<rennj>
opengl/vulkan anything nvidia pisses me off...
<rennj>
i had stock in them too, but that was my 3dfx/tdfx stock they bought the company
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<rennj>
i regret selling my apple/3dfx stock..would made buck on...
<rennj>
split couple of time ..hmm money
<andreasdr[m]>
My first 3d graphics card was a 3dfx Voodoo 2000 or something
<rennj>
i had canupus pure3d voodoo1 with 6MB
<rennj>
and like stb or s3 virge/vx
<rennj>
for 2d
<rennj>
gl quake
<rennj>
i had irix box at work..so i already was in the know
<Saijin_Naib>
<andreasdr[m]> "Yes, true. My neighbour borrowed..." <- I only want to play Half-Life: Alyx 😛
<andreasdr[m]>
Yes. I heard of it.
<andreasdr[m]>
:)
<rennj>
course x11/opengl extensions didnt really help when sun hp didnt have them..you could not export DISPLAY to remote
<andreasdr[m]>
rennj: nice
<rennj>
yeah took while for xorg/xfree/xsun and such to support the gl extensions..so you export remote gl apps
<andreasdr[m]>
I started with Linux in 97 If I remember right, and with BSD in 2004.
<andreasdr[m]>
Never used HP.
<andreasdr[m]>
Also 99 I fell in love with the BeOS.
<andreasdr[m]>
We all know the history.
<rennj>
hp and sun both engineering companies....
<rennj>
course hp gave that up in like 1993
<andreasdr[m]>
Damn
<andreasdr[m]>
Unix could have rocked much more.
<andreasdr[m]>
But people did do wrong decisions I guess.
<rennj>
nah..if i wasnt for opensource/freesoftware..probably been at each others throats..the unix wars
<andreasdr[m]>
But Haiku is a nice successor of BeOS. I love it. Cant wait for 3d.
<andreasdr[m]>
3D!!!!!!!!!!
<rennj>
so your game engine. how many hours of work was that?
<rennj>
The Mythical Man-Month
<skirst>
still have a functioning pair of voodoo2's in SLI heh
<rennj>
nice. sli and dual shotgun modem 56k flex modem
<rennj>
the dream box
<skirst>
with an ati virge doing the svga
<skirst>
err. mach65
<skirst>
64
<rennj>
s3 stb ati nvidia....there wasnt many left toward the end
<skirst>
matrox heh
<rennj>
matrox g400,g450
<rennj>
yeah i had g400
<skirst>
bump mapping!
<rennj>
dual head display was big thing
<rennj>
g400,sblive,realtek nic..was winning combo on driver support..even though realtek nic sucked
<andreasdr[m]>
rennj: 10 years in total
<andreasdr[m]>
I would say If I would have worked full time on it with knowledge already(no need to learn stuff) I would still have a time range of 2-4 years to program tdme2 at least. This makes it like 200k€ worth at least. Sooo. But now I can release games on whatever OS i like.
<rennj>
minecraft!
<rennj>
the next notch
<andreasdr[m]>
Oaaaah. Just doing game dev with it will be fun. Hope the games will do some money.
<rennj>
so android and ios pending
<andreasdr[m]>
Yes. But this will happen some day.
<andreasdr[m]>
Also WebAssembly port could be interesting one day.
<rennj>
i think thats where all the people are doing their general purpose computing at this point
<skirst>
not this guy :D
<andreasdr[m]>
I dont care much about others. I decided Ill do the stuff I want.
<andreasdr[m]>
(Regarding what they want me to do to be explicit)
<rennj>
kaiOS flip phone, i hate phones..but seems to me..you almost have to target those devices
<skirst>
wondering why qt6 on haiku doesn't respond to my mouse suddenly. in qemu/kvm. weird...
<rennj>
firefox os/kaiOS
<skirst>
at least on graphics scene items
<skirst>
bare metal, fine
<rennj>
fs-uae inside a vmware vm, and the mouse is broken..
<rennj>
certain apps anyway ive noticed try to grab the mouse end up messing things up
<rennj>
fs-uae no vmware and mouse works fine
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<skirst>
yeah it seems to be an issue with capture/dragging
<rennj>
problem is i got about half dozen mouse tweak i can do in vmware
<skirst>
even qtcreator ide is doing the same with splitters
<skirst>
can't resize panes at all
<rennj>
might want to look at qemu mouse tweaks...
<rennj>
or forums of other people complaining about mouse/qemu and qt6
<skirst>
just the usual usb evtouch tablet emu. seemed to work fine before. strange
<skirst>
just upgraded to the latest qemu/libvirt stack so it's probably my fault heh
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<andreasdr[m]>
Damn
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<skirst>
linux fine, windows 7 and 10 vms, fine. ghostbsd vm, fine. grrrr. what the hell
<Not-8690>
[haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie b50ebd6 - jed: update version and various fixes (#6968)
<skirst>
well crap. rebuilt with qt5 and same issue. not likely qt related
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<skirst>
bingo! using virtio tablet works
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<bparker_>
skirst: probably not your particular issue but just fyi qt6 specifically has an issue with the mouse wheel randomly breaking, happens in qt creator too
<augiedoggie>
hm, if you just initialized a new disk you'll have to write the boot sector from the Installer menu
* augiedoggie
too tired to troubleshoot right now :P
<trungnt2910[m]>
No, I can boot stuff just fine, it's the Haiku installer's fault.
<trungnt2910[m]>
The kernel is doing something weird when it detects that it's on a CD (It expects that `ide0:0` must be present, I don't know why)
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<Begasus>
TuxPaint running on 64bit now too :)
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<matt1>
hello
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<Saijin_Naib>
Does anyone know if Haiku has a docker/podman haikuport, or any interest in such?
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<PulkoMandy>
Saijin_Naib, hello, there is no docker on Haiku because Docker is strongly tied to the Linux kernel so it's not easy at all to port it over
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<jason123santa>
docker has been ported to openbsd
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<tqh>
do they run in a vm or use linux compability API?
<dcatt>
I'm surprised FreeBSD didn't get docker going before other BSDs
<tqh>
we need to get golang port working first, so will take a while..
<tqh>
Any links on OpenBSD docker? Google didn't show much.
<Saijin_Naib>
PulkoMandy: Makes total sense. Thanks for that. I am so blown away by Haiku's performance as a QEMU guest that it got me thinking about it as a HostOS, but without at least Docker/PodMan I can't do 90% of my work ☹️
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<missMyN900>
tqh: OpenBSD got rid of their Linux compatibility a while ago. They do have very limited virtualization, so maybe that is being used to run Docker containers.
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<tqh>
if it is called docker-cli I think it is just the client?
<tqh>
For docker we need a lightweight vm, personally I'd go for minikube as it can be used as a Docker for Desktop ala Mac and Windows + kubernetes.
<tqh>
Still both docker cli and minikube needs golang.