<Begasus>
OK, then I can drop it, another patch is needed to detect Haiku and for d_type
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<LinuxUserHaiku>
@Begasus hi!
<Begasus>
hi LinuxUserHaiku
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@Begasus weekends!
<Begasus>
k, cleaning up and re-building
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<LinuxUserHaiku>
@Begasus i took away my tooth yesterday :)
<Begasus>
Hope you still have some left LinuxUserHaiku :)
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<LinuxUserHaiku>
@Begasus, dont worry! i have teeth left
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<LinuxUserHaiku>
@Begasus, heh, yesterday computer was busy, so i didnt joined, today i was in Ussuriysk so, went to home late
<matt3>
peace ...
<Begasus>
LinuxUserHaiku, haven't been online much last week
<Begasus>
hi matt3
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 hi!
<matt3>
hi dear Begasus ... hi LinuxUserHaiku
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@Begasus, understood. work is mandatory thing'
<lelldorin>
good morning
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@lelldorin hi!
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<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 how're you?
<lelldorin>
Begasus: i have solved the problem with writing the recipe, i am on to work on it
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@lelldoriin very nice!
<matt3>
hi LinuxUserHaiku : well and thank you to speack with me ...
<Begasus>
nice lelldorin , when I'm done with doxygen I'll git it a go here
<matt3>
really thanks
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 no problem
<lelldorin>
Begasus: on that version i send you. you can only import a recipe
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 i can speak every day.. except one.. when i'm at school or when i busy or pc is busy.
<Begasus>
ah, good to know lelldorin
<matt3>
ah, ok, LinuxUserHaiku : and the day ? ;D
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 day is nice
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<Begasus_32>
---Error in RecipeCreator.yab, line 1102: invalid stream: 0 (can handle only streams from 1 to 124)
<matt3>
about day : i am going to wake up earlier ...
<Begasus>
lelldorin, getting that error here
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<matt3>
time for sunbathing here ...
<Begasus>
sunbathing?
<Begasus>
Not the weather for that here ;)
<matt3>
here little sun ...
<matt3>
dress with jacket ...
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@Begasus i'm building SerenityOS in haiku :)
<daru003>
Hi guys; Stupid question from a newbie here. Is there a way to convert linux keymaps to haiku keymap-files? Or did the Haiku-Devs write the keymaps all bythemselves? Background is, i want to use the "neo 2" (german type of lyout) under Haiku, but i cant import it into the keymap program because the formats are different. Any suggestions? Otherwise I have to write the file bymyself. I know its possible to change the layout with t
<daru003>
keymap program (drag/drop), however neo2 has a lot of layers and mod keys which im not able to set.
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@daru003 not pretty sure that linux keymaps will work on haiku
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<lelldorin>
i will change to win to send you a newer version now
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<LinuxUserHaiku>
sorry i randomly closed my vision
<daru003>
Ok to shorten the question; Is there a program/tool to convert keylayouts into haiku keymap files? Or do I have to write my own keyfile in order to use a specific layout with haiku?
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<Begasus>
daru003, seems the core dev's are not around or busy with other issues atm, did you try searching the forum?
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@daru003 let mee google..
<daru003>
currently doing that :) I don't want to bother people, so if there is an answer somewhere because i was to stupid to google, just point me to it :)
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@daru003 i found way!
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<andreasdr[m]>
Good morning
<lelldorin>
re
<lelldorin>
moin
<Begasus>
Moin andreasdr[m]
<Begasus>
thanks lelldorin :)
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@daru003 open haiku terminal then type: cd /boot/system/non-packaged/data then type: mkdir KeyboardLayouts then copy your keyboard layouts files into this folder
<lelldorin>
Begasus: send you new version
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@andreasdr[m] hi!
<Begasus>
yes, saw it :)
<Begasus>
doxygen build is stressing the system, so can't test it atm :)
<lelldorin>
cool
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@daru003 i wrote this way to you. you can try uit out
<andreasdr[m]>
Good morning
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@andreasdr[m] hi! how are you?
<Begasus>
andreasdr[m], you are repeating yourself :)
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<LinuxUserHaiku>
welcome back matt3!!
<matt3>
thank you LinuxUserHaiku : very kind ... thanks ...
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 i'm eating apples
<matt3>
2500 euros ...
<LinuxUserHaiku>
ahhh
<matt3>
a mac book pro => apple ...
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 i meant not macbook
<matt3>
i apologize :D
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<matt3>
better the fruit ... :D
<matt3>
really
<matt3>
my father : everymorning an apple
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<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 that's regular tasty fruit.. it's nice for health
<matt3>
yes, LinuxUserHaiku
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 i'm eating second apple
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 i had installed macOS in virtual machine :)
<matt3>
try also os 9 classic with qemu-ppc
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 qemu-ppc fail. i used sheepshaver but it wants that iso MUST BE READONLY
<matt3>
i have tried it under linux and ok ...
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 did you use custom roms?
<matt3>
no
<LinuxUserHaiku>
let me try..
<matt3>
ah, wait ...
<lelldorin>
bbl
<LinuxUserHaiku>
let me download macos image
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<matt3>
everypeople ask for win xp abandonare bu no ...
<matt3>
... but no ...
<matt3>
i think we need a law about abandonware ...
<LinuxUserHaiku>
mmm
<matt3>
ie : after 5 years => abandonware ...
<LinuxUserHaiku>
ahhhh
<phschafft>
hm.
<matt3>
if copyrights expire ...
<phschafft>
then there is software that looks like it's abandonware but it isn't. like there is code that is working so well that there is no new version as there is simply nothing to improve.
<matt3>
ok
<matt3>
put it open ...
<phschafft>
and then there is a lot of abandonware that could use some legal framework to be freed. even shortly after it was created.
<matt3>
everything : Trinity willing ...
<matt3>
windows was build by Jesus ...
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<LinuxUserHaiku>
oooops matt3 left channel... :?
<LinuxUserHaiku>
;/
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<LinuxUserHaiku>
welcome back matt3!!!!
<matt3>
love youu LinuxUserHaiku xD
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 i'm glad to see you
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 ???
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 you love me??
<matt3>
thank you very much LinuxUserHaiku
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 where are you from?
<matt3>
jesus says love everybody , so i love you, everybody
<matt3>
LinuxUserHaiku : i am from Italy
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 i'm from Russia
<matt3>
peace
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 our timezones is very different
<matt3>
yes gmt +1
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@matt3 great to talk with you :)))
<jmairboeck>
Is it already a known issue that dragging with the mouse doesn't work in Qt6 applications? Qt creator is a bit annoying to use when you can't select text with the mouse ...
<Begasus>
Works in Otter
<jmairboeck>
ok, then it is a Qt creator issue
<jmairboeck>
isn't Otter using Qt5?
<LinuxUserHaiku>
Unbelievable!!! i installed macOS classic 9.2 using qemu-ppc on haiku!!!
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<Begasus>
LinuxUserHaiku, congrats ... and now?
<Begasus>
hi augiedoggie
<LinuxUserHaiku>
@Begasus m...
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<jmairboeck>
Begasus: it seems broken in Qt 6 in general, it also doesn't work in LibreOffice
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<LinuxUserHaiku>
cu
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<jmairboeck>
and it even works in Frescobaldi! I just installed PortMidi to /system/non-packaged and it works!
<Begasus>
cool jmairboeck !
<Begasus>
I think LO on 32bit still uses Qt5 then
<jmairboeck>
yes, on 32 bit an older version is used
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<Begasus>
jmairboeck, maybe you could give musescore a go with it? ;)
<jmairboeck>
I already have a half-finished recipe, but I want to wait on feedback by the PortMidi maintainer (if it doesn't take another 4 months ...)
<Begasus>
+1
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<jmairboeck>
maybe he even releases a new version, then we don't need the patch
<jmairboeck>
or we just use srcGitRev if he at least merges it
<Begasus>
right
<Begasus>
but I use that when working on a recipe that hasn't got merged PR's :)
<Begasus>
nice, doxygen does it's work when building grantlee
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<jmairboeck>
the original one was one of my most "successful" tweets ever
<Begasus>
cool jmairboeck ! Not sure if it's twitter or Haiku, but sound was a bit disorted?
<jmairboeck>
or VirtualBox
<jmairboeck>
I'm running Haiku in VirtualBox
<jmairboeck>
and this recorded using VBox's video recording feature
<Begasus>
Could be also
<jmairboeck>
and then converted to MP4 because twitter doesn't like WebM apparently
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<Begasus>
this portmidi builds fast jmairboeck :)
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<Begasus>
ok, for musescore it also needs portaudio
<Begasus>
jmairboeck, not stepping in your shoes :) (just trying to checkout here) :)
<jmairboeck>
np
<jmairboeck>
PortAudio is probably more complicated, given the nature of the Media kit
<Begasus>
also fails to build
<Begasus>
(disabled atm too)
<jmairboeck>
yes, because there is no actual implementation for Haiku, just a dummy one that doesn't do anything, IIRC
<Begasus>
ok, not for now then :)
<Begasus>
heading out, time for the grandchildren
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<matt3>
hi Begasus
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<slubman>
Hello
<slubman>
I installed Haiku, beta 3 updated to hrev56465) on a Lenovo ThinkPad T450s, things are mostly working, but I do wonder if the WiFi card, detected as a idualwifi7260 is supposed to be working?
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<lelldorin>
hello
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<nephele>
cp: cannot stat '/dev/disk/usb/1/0/raw/haiku-r1beta3-x86_64-anyboot.iso': Not a directory
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<nephele>
What exactly is cp trying to tell me? I didn't ask it to figure out if this imaginary path is a directory
<augiedoggie_>
you could try the -T option
<augiedoggie_>
to force it to treat the destination as a file
<nephele>
okay, that does work, but why? i don't see why it thought raw might be a directory in the first place
<augiedoggie_>
dunno, maybe it's a bug in the new coreutils package
<nephele>
ugh
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<PulkoMandy>
It's trying to use the destination as a directory
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<PulkoMandy>
cp to device files won't work on Haiku, it appears there are some Special Tricks (tm) to make that work on Linux
<PulkoMandy>
Use dd instead
<nephele>
PulkoMandy: uhh, i know from experience that that is incorrect
<PulkoMandy>
And even on Linux it does not work always. I think busybox cp can't do this but coreutils one can
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<nephele>
there is nothing special at all about writing to device files
<nephele>
this is how i've copied all my images till now, dd is the wrong tool and makes this needlessly complicated
<nephele>
anyhow, this is the first time that cp has been acting up this way for me
<PulkoMandy>
No, but there are tricks to opening them. When cp overwrites a file, it can either rm/unlink the old one and create a new one, won't work on devices
<PulkoMandy>
Or it can truncate the old one and write new data, also won't work if the device doesn't want to be truncated
<nephele>
well, the -T option aufiedoggie suggested above works fine, DriveSetup then shows the partitions fine etc
<nephele>
also: we use the same cp as linux does from coreutils so don't see the issue
<nephele>
apart from it somehow thinking the device file is a directory
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<PulkoMandy>
coreutils has a lot of platform-specific quirks to make things appear to work, maybe they added some new ones
<PulkoMandy>
Maybe their way to check if something is a file isn't what you expect
<nephele>
I dunno, this seems like a regression regardless.. this used to work fine
<PulkoMandy>
I wouldn't say cp is the right tool for this, it happens to work in some situations but there's no guarantee about it
<PulkoMandy>
It's a regression on undocumented behavior, unless coreutils documented this usage of cp as supported?
<PulkoMandy>
Not saying that we shouldn't fix it
<nephele>
why would copying to a file not be supported?
<PulkoMandy>
A device is not a regular file
<nephele>
I can see why you think device files might be special but the linux mantra of "everything is a file" kind of goes against that
<PulkoMandy>
"everything is a file" does not mean the same thing as "everything is a regular file"
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<nephele>
No, but it does imply the mindset of "you can just use these ''standard'' tools on everything and it will work fine"
<nephele>
Anyhow this usage worked for me in Haiku in the past aswell as linux and FreeBSD, so if this is unintended that would be really suprising to me
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<nephele>
especially seeing as the only other option dd is not that great because it requires users to guess commandline parameters to get even somewhat passable performance for copying that the OS can just figure out itself when using cp
<PulkoMandy>
No one is going to say that dd has a good interface, but it's at least designed specifically for this usage so it's less likely to break
<PulkoMandy>
Anyway, you can strace your cp command to see what it does if you want to investigate this, I guess it will call stat() on the target and use S_ISREG to check for a regular file and find that it isn't
<nephele>
dd is designed specifically to backup data to magnetic tape .-.
<nephele>
and is also a clone of a tool from an OS before unix, which explains why it has this wierd syntax that makes using it way harder
<PulkoMandy>
"Originally intended to convert between ASCII and EBCDIC, dd first appeared in Version 5 Unix.[8]"
<PulkoMandy>
Wikipedia doesn't agree with you on the history :p
<nephele>
wikipedia also claims haiku has had gpu accel for years on the german article ;)
<PulkoMandy>
Yes, we do, with rudolf port of utahglx on a selection of old nvidia video cards
<nephele>
Granted i might be misremembering, i'll check again, but still this usage isn't really the intended for dd. it just so happens that people use this often because this is repeated advice and there are no better tools
<nephele>
I know that, but that article said that haiku got gpu accel in generall through a GSOC project
<nephele>
(no better tools in standard POSIX for the commandline anyhow... god forbid we add sensible tools :P)
<PulkoMandy>
It may still be time to get a tool in the next posix spec edition :p
<nephele>
Personally, I think we can (for Haiku) solve this problem with a tool that writes to a disk with a gui and add this in the contextmenu for image files :)
<nephele>
fwiw: the image does boot fine that i copied with cp
<nephele>
(after turning off secure boot)
<PulkoMandy>
Don't we already have that in drivesetup? Or is that lost on gerrit waiting to be finished?
<nephele>
not that I found it anyhow :/
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<nephele>
by the way
<nephele>
I think something may be wrong with the way the mail_daemon checks TLS
<nephele>
I have had my TLS certificate expire, that is the CA cert was still valid but the mail server cert expired
<nephele>
iOS refused to fetch mail but Haiku had no problem with getting mail still
<nephele>
also uhh, this laptop can receive email... but, the root cert i have installed seems to be the wrong one, which seems highly suspicious... maybe mail_daemon has a problem with self-signed certs but doesn't validate signed certs correctly?
<nephele>
my main computer has no root cert installed at all... oops, there is no way it should be able to verify the cert then o_0
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