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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<netpositive> morning
<LinuxUserHaiku> hi begasua
<LinuxUserHaiku> g'afternoon peeps
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<Begasus> morning netpositive LinuxUserHaiku
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<LinuxUserHaiku> hmm time to recode program :/
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<LinuxUserHaiku> cu!
<Not-ff83> [haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/150b1ad6aeb0...c87d793878a5
<Not-ff83> [haiku/website] uberjoker c87d793 - Update uefi_booting to clarify instructions
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<andreasdr[m]> Good morning
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<Begasus> Moin andreasdr[m]
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<HaikuUser> @Begasius i back
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<LinuxUser> Hehe i'm on weechat now :)
<matt3> a game : i say love you => you answer love yo too ... xD
<matt3> love you ...
<phschafft> :)
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<andreasdr[m]> Moin Begasus
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<LinuxUser> @Begasus i'm on weechat :)
<Begasus> congrats :)
<LinuxUser> but it is in text mode :/
<LinuxUser> not gui :/
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<Begasus> err ... iirc weechat is Terminal based :)
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<LinuxUser> yes'
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<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/b7fa844cecf5...0ababf0e3774
<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 0ababf0 - atomicwrites, bump version add python310 package (#7164)
<Begasus> bbl
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<HaikuUser2> bye!
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<harshad> has anyone tried to use a Keychron K2 keyboard with haiku? I am running into this weird problem. My keychron k2 is connected via USB, however if I start typing the typed key gets 'stuck'. Things also seem to crash when I try to use the keyboard
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<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0ababf0e3774...5873851c58be
<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 5873851 - attrs, bump version, remove python2.7, add python3.10 (#7165)
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<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5873851c58be...fa6789c27d6e
<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus fa6789c - iniconfig, revbump for python3.10 (#7166)
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<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/fa6789c27d6e...24e4a709d2f8
<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 24e4a70 - pluggy, bump version, add python3.10 (#7167)
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<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus ef5af08 - more-itertools, bump version, add python3.10 (#7168)
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<Begasus> bugger ...
<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ef5af0893493...0fba7fe50268
<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 0fba7fe - more-itertools, add python3.10 (#7169)
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<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0fba7fe50268...8472748a4508
<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 8472748 - py, bump version, add python3.10 (#7170)
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<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/8472748a4508...8f1b5e3ad392
<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 8f1b5e3 - py, needs cmd:git to be able to build (#7171)
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<matt3> try installing from pen1 to pen2 but hang on disks ...
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<matt3> usb pen done in uefi !!!
<matt3> boot ok ...
<andreasdr[m]> My Mini-HaikuPC has arrrrrrived. On weeekend I will set upp a Haiku installation at latest :)
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<OscarL> andreasdr[m]: Specs of the mini-beast?
* OscarL half-expect it to beat the crap out of his current main PC.
<andreasdr[m]> Just a 8 core Ryzen based PC, 32 GB RAM, 256GB m2, and a Radeon RX480
<andreasdr[m]> Nothing super specia.
<OscarL> "Just" :-D That's AMAZING! Congrats!!!
<andreasdr[m]> Nothing super special.
<andreasdr[m]> Oh thank you!
<andreasdr[m]> I had a 16core PC before, but it was way to hungry for energy.
<andreasdr[m]> Means I had to pay 10€-20€ more for energy each month.
<OscarL> Ouch. Increased Wattage is also a concern of mine.
* OscarL is typing in his most powerfull computer a just recently acquired Phenom II X4 (from 2009/2010) :-D
<OscarL> was rocking an Athlon II X2 till around 45 days ago :-D
<OscarL> and when summer comes... I might need to switch back to it, due to not having a good enough cooling solution, heh. (we get +40ºC here on summers)
<adou[m]> Aha I'm waiting my own Haiku beast, it'll come Sunday
<adou[m]> (It's an old 32 bits, 1G of RAM computer ^^)
<OscarL> adou[m]: I have an Atom based netbook... wanna race once you're setup properly? :-D
<OscarL> adou[m]: do you know if the video card on your future machine will have a driver already on Haiku?
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<OscarL> (might help making it a bit better than just plain VESA)
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<adou[m]> I don't know. A member or my family had this unused old little guy, and I proposed to free him of it, but I don't know precisely its specs
<adou[m]> I just know what I said and that the screen is not separated from the mother card
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<OscarL> adou[m]: undesrtood. Well, let us hope most of its devices are supported already!
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<OscarL> At least Audio + Lan... VESA goes a looooong way with Haiku, thankfully.
<adou[m]> Yes I hope it'll work !
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<adou[m]> I know it worked seamlessly but slowly with Debian
<OscarL> 1GB had become too little even for Linux systems, sadly. And also... not all CPUs are created equal, and some are just awfully slow (regardless of frequency).
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* OscarL loos at Pentuim 4s, and Celeron Ds with disdain.
<OscarL> *looks
<OscarL> *Pentium
<OscarL> Jeez, can't type today... just as every other day :-D
<adou[m]> I'll say what it is
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<OscarL> adou[m]: but anything round and above an Atom N270, should at least feel usable on Haiku (as long as you don't plan to do any webbrowsing).
<OscarL> And if it is even too slow for Haiku... you can always try to install BeOS R5 to it :-D
<OscarL> (I've just tried a couple of weeks ago on some ancient hardware... man... I had forgotten how lean BeOS was)
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<zdykstra> I remember building my first computer in 1999 - 2x P2 350, 512MB RAM, 10GB drive. BeOS R5 ran like a dream on it.
<OscarL> zdykstra: was that with one of those Asus BP6 (or something like that) motherboard?
<OscarL> Abit, not asus.
<zdykstra> It was a SuperMicro board of some flavor
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<OscarL> I see. I remember reading about those dual CPU systems at the time, and people using dual Celeron 300 on that ABIT board with BeOS... they all made it sound like something from a dream :-D
<zdykstra> It was a dream. When I stopped using BeOS in 2004, I had a crisis as I tried to get something/anything that could match just how fast it felt.
<zdykstra> Everything was so damn slow compared to it, though.
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<OscarL> Similar feeling here, after using BeOS R5 PE as my main OS for almost 3 years (2001-2004)
<zdykstra> What did you move on to?
<OscarL> Win98, LOL.
<OscarL> My hardaware always was really low end, and until much later, Linux hadn't just good enough support for my devices.
<OscarL> Stlll, I remember booting Haiku on real hardware even before app_server :-D (it booted into "consoled" text mode "terminal").
<OscarL> And I kept a couple of BeOS installs at hand, but not longer as my main driver (just for my occasional attempts at writting drivers)
<zdykstra> *nod*
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<zdykstra> I got an old-ish Mac from a surplus store that could just barely run OS X. It was still better than Windows for me, though :)
<OscarL> I never even touched Macs (not really common here in Argentina, and even less back then).
<OscarL> I think I saw *one* Apple II in an office of a newspaper... but that was it. The rest, only the things I've read on PC Magazine :-D
<zdykstra> I grew up on old Apple hardware - my parents worked for the state education department and could bring home old computers.
<OscarL> nice!
<zdykstra> always generations old, but 12 year old me didn't care!
<OscarL> of course! hehe!
<OscarL> the first PC I've touched was PC XT. DOS didn't even had directories back then.
<zdykstra> wow, heh
<OscarL> 13 y/o me was just in awe! :-D
<OscarL> but I didn't had my own till I was almost 18 :-(
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<andreasdr[m]> Adou: Nice
<andreasdr[m]> Nice Sirs. I used BeOS also until 2003/4 for X86 and PPC.
<andreasdr[m]> Then I moved on to NetBSD for a while.
<andreasdr[m]> At work I also had to use Windows 2000. Windows 2000 was also a very nice OS if you ask me.
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<zdykstra> Very nice. I got in to BeOS on PPC, via R4.
<zdykstra> I had a PowerMac with a 603e in it, and OS 8 at the time was just hot garbage.
<andreasdr[m]> I ordered the BeOS5 Professional. There was the PPC version also contained.
<andreasdr[m]> I had also a 604 and upgraded later to G3.
<andreasdr[m]> BeOS on PPC was a dream also. MacOS classic was a joke compared to BeOS 5 PPC
<andreasdr[m]> It was a very solid OS for desktop experience. We all know this :)
<zdykstra> It was such a stunning change. I still hold it as the gold standard for how interactive a computer should be.
<andreasdr[m]> Yep!
<andreasdr[m]> True that.
<rennj> crapple on beos with basiliskII/sheepshaver
<rennj> early vlc also
<rennj> and dual smp athlon mp/tyan tiger motherboard
<rennj> https://imgur.com/n48vMDv tracker looking sexy
<rennj> 2004 or so when that beos box EOL'd
<rennj> end of life! no more support
<matt3> and libreZeta osos ?
<rennj> https://imgur.com/ul1257x beos epson scsi scanner
<rennj> i still use some of those scans of important docs i did on that beos box
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<rennj> tv-card,scsi scanner, palmpilot usb device..and also https://imgur.com/WecJVQN beos raid0 using usb flash drives
<andreasdr[m]> Nice screeenshots
<matt3> rennj : very nice pics :D
<rennj> that was serious patched beos
<rennj> usb scsi patches, usb mass storage patches, dan0/bone7a networking
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<rennj> besides the limits like 768MB ram and 1.X GHz where you had to edit kernel in hex editor
<rennj> GenuineINTEL to AuthenticAMD
<rennj> meh i have all that in vmware now...
<matt3> ram limit => sartore / artusi ...
<rennj> my android12.x phone with 8x2Ghz+ cores, and 6GB ram, and 256GB storage..smoke those old boxes
<rennj> to bad the os is janky
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<Begasus> heading down here
<Begasus> cu peeps!
<rennj> w00f time
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<OscarL> rennj: awesome screenshots, and so cool to recognize so many names on those BeShare user lists :-D
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<netpositive> OscarL: i misss Monni from that list
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<rennj> i have beshare on beos vm, i launch every once and while, oldest version on tycomsystems when i join
<OscarL> BeShare was something really special. Both the program... and the shared experience (even when connecting through Unizone :-D)
<rennj> still people there last i checked..
<rennj> diehards
<OscarL> AGMS still hanging tight :-D
<OscarL> and bbjimmy, IIRC.
<rennj> i have the old java client also somewhere
<rennj> wonder if that would work with latest openjdk
<rennj> hehe
<OscarL> JavaShare! :-D
<adou[m]> I discovered BeOS because of Haiku, not the contrary
<rennj> it came with computer magazines... 4.5 and 5.x
<rennj> personal edition
* OscarL should fire up BeShare with his BiPolar nickname more often.
<rennj> i tried the 4.x and bought the 5.x
<rennj> for intel, not talking older hobbit/powerpc versions
<OscarL> adou[m]: good! So it is not only nostalgia what attracts people then :-D
<rennj> att hobbit cpu then the powerpc..man who was picking ISA's
<OscarL> 4.5 had working 3D accel (at least for some hardware), right?
<rennj> no clue..
<adou[m]> (I'm sorry if I cut conversations, but I strangely receive your messages late)
<rennj> when linux and windows and solaris and freebsd sucked at video and audio and beos rocked
<rennj> before ffmpeg/mplayer/vlc
<rennj> you know mid/late 90's
<matt3> cu ...
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<OscarL> cu matt3
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<rennj> realplayer and shockwave flash
<rennj> those days
<rennj> buffering....
<rennj> buffering....
<rennj> not adobe shockwave flash,
<OscarL> adou[m]: tends to happen to me too, don't worry. In my case it's due to a only partally working brain, instead of IRC quirks :-D
<adou[m]> OscarL : not nostalgia, but a kind of tiredness caused by modern computing
<adou[m]> I'm not that young, my first computer had Windows 98, but I knew next to nothing about computers then
<adou[m]> I was very excited, the years passing, by all the new things, the new capabilities, the new themes and colours
<adou[m]> But now I crave simpler computing
<OscarL> *relatable*
<rennj> no mouse, no gui..nothing but ASCII/ANSI going to be bad time unicode/utf...
<rennj> i worked on simple computers in late 70's and 80's...
<rennj> networks before unix had tcp/ip anyway
<rennj> ibm token ring
<rennj> before x windows
<rennj> nothing like telnet for ada compiler..cause $$$
<rennj> didnt even have local ada compiler..had to telnet remote system for that
<adou[m]> Maybe not that simpler ^^
<OscarL> ADA .... that reminds me of Andrew Bachman from BeShare days...
<netpositive> yup
<OscarL> He used to do programming in ADA for NASA.
<netpositive> sweet
<OscarL> nice fellow.
<netpositive> any forth programmers? 8)
<rennj> sure
<rennj> openboot openfirmware
<rennj> sun sparc
<netpositive> heh
<rennj> pforth on beos
<OscarL> netpositive: I was intrigued by it... but I get too easily distracted to actually put time into it :-(
<netpositive> 8)
<netpositive> maybe one day ;)
<netpositive> on a perfect day 8p
<OscarL> I hope!
<rennj> 5 base/radix number system in 2 lines of code
<rennj> PForth V27-LE/64, built Feb 11 2011 01:47:52 (static) old
<rennj> i got decade out of 1 binary
<rennj> my olpc one laptop per child was closet x86 ever got to being open
<OscarL> netpositive: once I needed to do some typesetting... looked at TeX/LaTeX and ran away... ended up learning Lout instead (I forgot 99.9% of it already), just because it was a smaller system. I might end up on Forth for similar reasons one of these days :-D
<rennj> it came with openboot/openfirmare forth prom
<rennj> and amd/national semi geode cpu
<rennj> only the wifi 802.11s mesh networking had binary blob closed source
<OscarL> and we ended up with crap Atom based netbooks in the end :-(
<rennj> yeah well m$ had to compete when olpc-xo1 started being handed out to students
<rennj> asus eeepc
<rennj> also
<rennj> same timeperiod
<rennj> netbook days
<rennj> 11"
<rennj> ( echo "obase=16" ; cat file_of_integers ) | bc heh
<rennj> printf has the obase to
<rennj> i suppose i could do 5 radix's that way..forth vm has couple bases built in..so make it easy..
<rennj> dc/bc power!
<OscarL> too bad I can't remember the syntax of anything after a couple of days of not using it :-(
<OscarL> Uff, 31ºC right now... and we are still in "winter" :-(
* OscarL expects to spontaneously combust next summer.
<rennj> use it or lose it
<rennj> meh..signal processing... ohms law v=i*r
<rennj> nand2tetris
<rennj> All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace
<rennj> V/I = R
<rennj> grrr
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<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/8f1b5e3ad392...b2a4c051113b
<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] sgulgas b2a4c05 - intel-wifi-firmwares: Update to use firmwares from OpenBSD 7.2 release (#7147)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56417] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=aabcd6b39922+%5E8fc394c12d2e
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] aabcd6b39922 - runtime_loader: Correct destruction of old TLS DSO blocks.
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