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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56496] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b4a9a0c94f87+%5E78ee50a27242
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] b4a9a0c94f87 - WebPositive: Actually load "zoom text only" setting and default it to false.
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<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/3d4c85327692...cd89fd672699
<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] lordmulder cd89fd6 - SlunkCrypt: Updated to release 1.2.1 (2022-09-24) (#7232)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56497] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c2dcf1067665+%5Eb4a9a0c94f87
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] c2dcf1067665 - Revert "boot/efi/x86: enable support for 64-bit ELF"
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56498] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=5613c37e6698+%5Ec2dcf1067665
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 5613c37e6698 - BootRules: Add -fvisibility=hidden to BootStaticLibrary as well.
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<trn> Hello .. is LTO supposed to work with Clang on Haiku? (because I can't seem to make it work) right.
<trn> It works with GCC, but with Clang 12 (even with LLD 12 also installed, and using -fuse-ld=lld) it complains about not being able to pass the bitcode to the linker.
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<x512[m]> HaikuPorts Clang version currently can't use Lld for Haiku native executables by default.
<trn> Yeah, I tried to pass -fuse-ld=lld and also -fuse-ld= and didn't have success.
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<trn> Is there a way to do it, without having to manually invoke the linker? (which I haven't tried yet)
<trn> I could adjust our build system to manually invoke the linker, but I'd prefer not to - I'm building a monorepo of various components, and the build system uses the "cc -o output file.c" invocation to compile and link in one step in quite a few places, so changing the linker for those depends on being able to do so with a flag to the compiler front-end.
<x512[m]> fuse-ld=lld currently do not work.
<x512[m]> Manually calling lld is needed.
<trn> Does Clang support the "-B" flag like GCC does? So I could make a directory like /home/jhj/.override with an ld there as a symlink to lld, and then use "-B /home/jhj/.override"?
<trn> Not a showstopper either way - I could check, I just don't have my Haiku VM fired up at the moment.
<trn> I don't see a -B option in the Clang manpage on my other system.
<trn> x512[m]: Is this a bug that will eventually be fixed?
<trn> I don't want to do a workaround if it'll be fixed eventually :)
<x512[m]> Haiku specific linker configuration is not yet implemented in Clang. It will be fixed.
<x512[m]> Built Clang 15 right now.
<trn> Nice.
<trn> Are you the Clang maintainer?
<trn> I noticed that it doesn't produce PIC code by default, you need to pass -fPIC - or it doesn't in all cases.
<trn> I can find the specifics and report it if need be.
<x512[m]> Note that PIE must be not used in Haiku because of ABI incompatibility.
<x512[m]> Not a maintainer, but interested in Clang/Lld on Haiku. I made test Lld support before.
<trn> Hrrm, I should fire up the VM and see what happened exactly.
<x512[m]> Also I managed to build functional Haiku image with Clang/Lld.
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<trn> I should probably remove the instructions to install lld since we aren't using it currently - I tried to before.
<trn> But the -fPIC in CFLAGS was required to avoid a compilation error.
<x512[m]> LTO should be not required to build functional executable, it is optimization.
<trn> Correct. I note that currently we can't recommend Clang on Haiku, because of the performance hit vs. LTO.
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<trn> The structure of our code is quite amenable to LTO, it gives a good 20% improvement in many cases, and we recently switched our builds to use LTO by default.
<trn> None of our developers use Haiku as a daily driver, so it's not that big deal of a deal.
<x512[m]> Maybe including source code to make one big compilation unit may help?
<x512[m]> WebKit use that.
<trn> That could possibly help, but it might be a good deal of work for us.
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<trn> Clang is always considerably slower than GCC for us, on pretty much all platforms, but we use many of the other LLVM tooling and features (like the sanitizers, clang-tidy, etc.) which are usually ahead of what GCC is providing.
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<BrunoSpr> Hello all
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<trn> PulkoMandy: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10269 - am I allowed to politely poke you on this again too? :)
<x512[m]> > The utility is now available at haikuports but is not included in the default install.
<trn> Yes, but it's required by POSIX. :) That comment was added in response doing a (different) port to Haiku,
<trn> *in repsonse to me, that is.
<trn> We do document that it's required now.
<x512[m]> trn: Is DPS8M Multics machine emulator?
<trn> Quite a few systems have non-POSIX tooling in various places in the default PATH (AIX, HP-UX, Solaris, etc.) and users often do stuff that puts non-POSIX variants before POSIX tools in their PATH too (GNU stuff, Plan9port users, etc.) so the only portable way to ensure you get a legitimte sed or grep or awk is to use a silly construct that sets the PATH based on the getconf PATH.
<trn> x512[m]: Yes.
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<trn> We're releasing 3.0.0 Any Day Now (tm)
<trn> Just trying to finish the new documentation.
<trn> I should actually make sure we work on 32-bit and R1/Beta3 too.
<x512[m]> Note that on 32 bit Haiku there are 2 compiler versions; gcc2 and gcc4+ and gcc2 is default one. `setarch x86` can be used to switch to modern gcc.
<trn> Oh, I remember that from another project. I should document that.
<trn> x512[m]: Oh, I don't know who to bother, so maybe you can tell me.
<trn> https://github.com/johnsonjh/pmince includes a target for "make hpkg" which builds and installs a Haiku package.
<x512[m]> gcc2 is needed mostly for old BeOS software, everything else are recommended to use modern compiler/ABI.
<trn> It used to work when it was committed, but now it doesn't...
<trn> So something must have changed since I did that.
<x512[m]> HPKG is usually created by HaikuPorter from *.recipe files. But it can be also created directly with `package` command and PackageInfo package definition file.
<trn> x512[m]: Yes, the idea is that you can do a "make hpkg" and it will create the "mince.hpkg" file.
<trn> Let me bring up Haiku and see what the error was.
<trn> https://github.com/johnsonjh/pmince/blob/master/GNUmakefile#L483 is what does that, but it's gross make and likely unclear.
<x512[m]> It generate .PackageInfo file in makefile.
<trn> Right.
<trn> Firing up Haiku VM ... might as well make a permanent one...
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<trn> Ah, here is the issue.
<trn> the error, and the directory structure and .PackageInfo file
<trn> It's calling "package create -v -b mince.hpkg" from that directory.
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<Begasus> 'lo peeps
<humdinger> hullo Begasus
<Begasus> hi humdinger :)
<humdinger> and...
<humdinger> PSA: Anyone interested to help with new and updated translations?
<humdinger> Begasus: There're still somemissing for Dutch... :)
<trn> Since it worked before, obviously something is wrong with my .PackageInfo file, but the error message is less than helpful
<Begasus> for clipdinger humdinger ?
<humdinger> Begasus: both. yeah I had to add 2 strings.
<humdinger> for an error message that shouldn't pop up normally
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<trn> x512[m]: I just solved my own problem.
<Begasus> A bit more then 2 string needed for the first link humdinger :)
<humdinger> yep, ArtPaint got a few changes and new features. :)
<trn> I had `packager ""` and that seems to be cause the error, it needs some value. :)
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<Begasus> Not much time here, did some for ArtPaint, but got some emails on checking up on some upcomming changes :)
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<humdinger> np, Begasus
<humdinger> Got this weekend. Release scheduled on Monday.
<Begasus> ok :)
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<Begasus> ClipDinger done
<humdinger> thanks Begasus! \o/
<Begasus> For ArtPaint I need more time
<humdinger> yeah, it's more complicated, too.
<humdinger> What with all the blending mode names that shoud reflect what it's really called in the common software.
<humdinger> Photoshop, gimp, etc
<Begasus> Like I use those ;)
<Begasus_32> fatal error: sys/fcntl.h: No such file or directory
<Begasus_32> ok, first error ... (upcomming release for taglib)
<humdinger> Begasus_32: It may help if you use a Dutch language tutorial about photoshop blending modes, filters etc.
<Begasus> If I had the time for it maybe humdinger :)
<humdinger> just saying :)
<Begasus> I know, for some I already used installed software here on Ubuntu to check translations
<Begasus> but atm I don't have the time to do so :)
<Begasus> fixes it
<humdinger> np. I expect (or hope) that people will provide the missing/corrected strings when they use the app and are annoyed by missing/wrong strings. :)
<Begasus> ;)
<Begasus> OK, taglib new release builds fine now
<BrunoSpr> Photoshop is a good reference for Artpaint in German
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<Begasus> closing down here, cu peeps!
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<rennj> damn this isp!
<rennj> same hardware, move from vegas to cali, and these peer disconnects,,,,
<rennj> meanwhile libera.chat no problems
<rennj> traceroute of suckage
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<rennj> not only that but i got bigger pipe, from 1.2MB/s to 12MB/s...not latency
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