<extrowerk_>
PulkoMandy: you have worked recently on fuse. As far as i remember ,you have patched fuse 3 first, but then you have downgraded it to 2.x as almost nothing implements fuse3 for now. Do i remember correctly?
<PulkoMandy>
Yes
<PulkoMandy>
We are compatible with fuse 2.9.9 now
<extrowerk_>
i have just updated the sshfs fuse package, sadly the last major version requires fuse3. maybe it is the exception.
<extrowerk_>
I have compiled the tun driver included in the haiku source tree, but it doesn1t shows any life signal in the syslog.
<extrowerk_>
btw, would it be possible to split the syslog somehow to system and userland part?
<extrowerk_>
also a syslog viewer sometlhing like osx have could be useful.
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<PulkoMandy>
yes, sshfs is developed by the fuse team and was migrated to fuse 3, but as far as I could see pretty much no one else migrated
<PulkoMandy>
linux distros still ship both fuse2 and fuse3
<PulkoMandy>
and now sshfs is unmaintained I think
<PulkoMandy>
why would you use syslog for userland stuff? it's an old unix API
<PulkoMandy>
I have used BeDC Developer Console for some things and it is a lot better, but the viewer is closed source so we need to rewrite one
<PulkoMandy>
but it uses BMessage for logs, no syslog things from the 70s
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<extrowerk_>
PulkoMandy: i am not in love with the logging infrastructure or something, i just dislike to read syslog, where one line is a kernel log, and the next line is some userland stuff. it is an unnecessary context switch for my brain.
<extrowerk_>
i'd like to be able to filter out the not-interesting stuff.
<extrowerk_>
so a per-program catalogized logging infra would be nice.
<extrowerk_>
with a gui client
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<PulkoMandy>
yes, but I would not build that over syslog which is very limited
<extrowerk_>
ofc it is not ideal for that.
<extrowerk_>
however one could improve the situation if every output would be prefixed by the name of the log emitting program.
<extrowerk_>
like "<programname> : output"
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<extrowerk_>
probably back then when BeOS was still a thing it was acceptable to output everything into the syslog, but nowadays it is a bit oldschool. I have to say i have no other experience with logging infrastructures, except dmesg.
<extrowerk_>
but afaik dmesg contains only kernel messages
<augiedoggie>
it might be nice to have something like Clue as a part of Haiku
<augiedoggie>
it does filtering and all that stuff
<extrowerk_>
augiedoggie: i know a game with this name.
<extrowerk_>
It was something like ogl accelerated desktop, where a program window was represented by a 3d box. you could for example rotate the window and write on the backside, as it was a card or something.
<extrowerk_>
i think it would be nice to have a "B-side" of any window, where one could see the program logic
<extrowerk_>
maybe it is too naive or impossible, but this idea makes sense to me.
<augiedoggie>
that would be interesting
<extrowerk_>
i have no exerience with gui programming, or with programming of any kind, but i heard gui programming can be an adventure for beginners on Haiku, therefore a structured realtime overview about the layout could be useful
<augiedoggie>
i thought the Be API was easy to learn when i started many years ago
<extrowerk_>
i also had a tangential idea about the intel ME / amd PSP: they are basically a domx-1, therefore they have access to everything above them, so they could be a terribly useful stuff for monitoring the device during system-programming / bootstrapping. it would be nice to make it accessible, so one could see what's going on on the machine without using serial cables or UARTing / or printing stuff to console.
<extrowerk_>
there could be a special key-combo which would switch to the monitor interface, where one could see all the register states, current running processes, etc, like an integrated hw/sw debugger
<extrowerk_>
i don't know if it is actually possible, but i assume it would make sense.
<extrowerk_>
sadly i have PTSD about computers and programs, so i am not able to do what i imagine anymore.
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<netpositive>
PTSD 8)
<PulkoMandy>
have a look at smalltalk because it did all these things back in 1976 already
<PulkoMandy>
and also I think they invented the beos style zindow tabs? or at least were one of the early users of these
<PulkoMandy>
I think someone at Be was taking inspiration from it
<netpositive>
extrowerk_: "The founding lead engineer of Pink, Erich Ringewald, departed Apple in 1990 to become the lead software architect at Be Inc. and design the new BeOS."
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