06:04 <jhovold> bamse: thanks!

10:58 <DocGalaxyBlock[m]> <xyaon> "oh, is the 5g ufs?" <- Do you need anything from a working w11 installation? I guess the previous owner of mine just executed reset windows and did not used the recovery media when packing it up for me.

16:23 <pz[m]> Anyone get any games working on the x13s? I'm going to see if we can get doom or minecraft working. Getting the Minecraft installer for ARM is quite annoying.

16:24 <HdkR> https://youtu.be/gx-AwMVSrHc Games

16:26 <steev> i play minecraft on my x13s

16:26 <steev> wasn't difficult at all, surprisingly, i just used prismlauncher

16:29 <HdkR> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/765304672579092511/1135308225026211860/Screenshot_2023-07-30_13-29-05.png Skyrim?

16:29 <HdkR> Games: They run :P

16:51 <clover[m]> Skyrim haha awesome

16:57 <HdkR> It immediately became GPU limited

17:00 <HdkR> We just need to kindly ask robclark to make all the games vroom for us

17:19 <pz[m]> That is brilliant, steev with the prismlauncher don't you need Minecraft installed already or you can do the whole rodeo from it?

17:19 <pz[m]> HdkR That's so cool. Steam w/ Proton?

17:22 <HdkR> pz[m]: Indeed

17:22 <pz[m]> Nice, I will need to give that a shot 😁

17:32 <steev> pz[m]: i think it asked me to login with my mojango account or microsoft account or whatever? but that was all i did

17:37 <pz[m]> steev: nice, I have an old Java version I bought I think on my MS account.

17:40 <pz[m]> While just synthetic benchmarks I ran geekbench 5 & 6 against both my AMD desktop and my x13s and I have to say the numbers were much closer than I expected.

17:40 <pz[m]> https://browser.geekbench.com/user/477930

17:42 <pz[m]> gb5 had the multicore score only 1,000 apart. gb6 puts them a little further apart but considering the x13s is a laptop and has a super long battery. I'm impressed.

17:42 <pz[m]> Can't wait for next gen 😄

17:43 <Jasper[m]> pz[m]: > <@chrz:matrix.org> gb5 had the multicore score only 1,000 apart. gb6 puts them a little further apart but considering the x13s is a laptop and has a super long battery. I'm impressed.

17:43 <Jasper[m]> > Can't wait for next gen 😄

17:43 <Jasper[m]> I think power usage is much more interesting too

17:44 <Jasper[m]> VoLTErra uses about 20W on full tilt (iirc)

17:45 <HdkR> Per core?

17:45 <HdkR> Full SoC?

17:46 <HdkR> From the wall? :)

17:47 <HdkR> AMD's desktop CPUs can manage to pull 20w from a single core alone. Shows how much power they are pumping through those things

17:47 <Jasper[m]> HdkR: Yes

17:48 <pz[m]> That is the awesome part of this too, running low power. AMD is not bad but no where near ARM.

17:50 <Jasper[m]> volterra is microsoft's sc8280xp devkit btw

17:50 <HdkR> Different set of priorities right, AMD can't swing quite as low on the power consumption but they can sure as heck quadruple anything ARM is putting out :P

17:52 <pz[m]> yea different priorities is right. Can't wait for next gen of ARM chips. Hopefully we get close. :)

17:52 <HdkR> Although something like Steamdeck shows that CPU cluster pulling something like 7w for a quad core is still pretty good

17:52 <HdkR> Looking forward to X4/A720 :)

17:55 <Jasper[m]> I'm mostly looking forward to Nuvia's offering under qualcomm hahaha

17:56 <HdkR> Big aspirations on that one, very little data

19:43 <clover[m]> same jasper, although i'm quite happy with x13s perf

19:57 <erebionCCCamp232142[m]> Still have not found a seller for an X13s with 32 GB RAM within European customs union. Can only play with the one from work. :/

19:58 <erebionCCCamp232142[m]> Such a shame RAM isn't replaceable, otherwise I'd just buy one with 32 GB and upgrade, but 16 GB is way too long for me... I need to run two Electron apps...

19:59 <steev> maybe you could ask work to buy you one and pay them?

20:00 <erebionCCCamp232142[m]> Apparently Lenovo does not currently sell 32 GB versions.

20:00 <konradybcio> maybe they're out of 32 gig skus

20:01 <Jasper[m]> <clover[m]> "same jasper, although i'm..." <- Yes, it's better than my old laptop

20:01 <Jasper[m]> And apart from distro support and the crashing issue I have I'm content with how Linux runs

20:01 <Bioxvirizm-x13s[m]> erebionCCCamp232142[m]: maybe just buy a 16gb and have a master replace the bga chip?=)

20:02 <Bioxvirizm-x13s[m]> clover: can you please tell me when you will release 6.5 kernel?

20:03 <HdkR> Luckily in the US I can still buy 32GB variants

20:04 <clover[m]> i usually wait for steev to add his patchset, but he has not been feeling well so might be a week or so?

20:04 <Bioxvirizm-x13s[m]> * 6.5 kernel? in repo

20:05 <agl7> clover[m]: Oh

20:13 <clover[m]> erebion: remember swap is a think. so maybe 16GB RAM + 4 GB swapfile is enough to run your two electrons ;)

20:13 <clover[m]> s/think/thing

20:14 <steev> oh, let me push that

20:16 <HdkR> I'm surprised there are any native Arm64 Linux Electron apps that anyone would want to use.

20:17 <clover[m]> VS Code for life

20:17 <HdkR> Oh wow, good on Microsoft for providing that

20:19 <Bioxvirizm-x13s[m]> are you using this laptop as your only pc?

20:21 <clover[m]> i have so many computers... M1 Pro, Some old acer laptop with an i3, two X13s, pinebook pro, rpi 4, rockpro64, a ryzen 6800x rig

20:22 <clover[m]> oh and 2 pinephones :)

20:22 <Bioxvirizm-x13s[m]> clover[m]: Are they viable as an everyday phone?

20:23 <clover[m]> some people use them. part of my job is to be on-call though and i can't risk a dropped call or the terrible app compatibility of not having slack / pagerduty immediately available (can workaround this to some extent with waydroid)

20:24 <clover[m]> i tried for a while but i missed too many calls to be comfortable with it, though things might be better these days

20:24 <Bioxvirizm-x13s[m]> So no)))))

20:24 <clover[m]> yeah no

20:37 <erebion> (Test message so I can see whether the Matrix IRC bridge handles my nick correctly now, please just ignore)

20:46 <clover[m]> if only everyone just used matrix haha

20:47 <HdkR> I'm fine with a little [m] appearing on people's aliases. Not like I care

20:58 <erebion> Yeah, but a few minutes earlier there was too much crap attached

20:59 <erebion> <clover[m]> "if only everyone just used..." <- We'll be getting there.

20:59 <erebion> I've already got 3k people to Matrix.

21:06 <steev> clover[m]: linux-6.5.y

21:06 <steev> wel, the rest too, but you should see which one i mean

21:08 <HdkR> Oh right, I should update

21:09 <steev> lenovo-x13s-linux-6.5.y - on top of johan's stuff, the laptop config (which may be missing things, sorry, i didn't go over johan's config file changes yet), konrad's missing cpu idle states, konrad's bcm voting, mani's aspm patches, konrad's patches for pdc (i think a couple were dropped from that patchset are unrelated to thinkpad support), and some acv/pdc stuff that i don't fully understand yet, but figured why not

21:10 <Jasper[m]> steev: sounds lovely

21:18 <clover[m]> thanks steev. major GNOME outage happening right now is blocking my build from running https://status.gnome.org/

22:41 <HdkR> Is the pauth stuff fixed in 6.5 now? I still have the kernel flag set to disable it