robclark changed the topic of #aarch64-laptops to: Linux support for AArch64 Laptops (Chrome OS Trogdor Devices - Asus NovaGo TP370QL - HP Envy x2 - Lenovo Mixx 630 - Lenovo Yoga C630 - Lenovo ThinkPad X13s - and various other snapdragon laptops) - https://oftc.irclog.whitequark.org/aarch64-laptops
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<_`[m]> luks 1 or 2
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<clover[m]> Arch Linux ARM for Lenovo ThinkPadX13s (2023/08/03) has released.
<clover[m]> Release Notes + Downloads:
<clover[m]> Stirl: that has workman support just boot it up and run `workman` it should switch you to that keymap
<Stirl[m]> Clover thank you! That is mischievous appreciated
<clover[m]> (⊙_◎): you can use the latest iso now :)
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<zspec> Hey all, anyone had success gettingArmbian working on an x13s?
<zspec> The install completed for me but when I reboot I get stuck at the initramfs screen.
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<clover[m]> i think harvestz got armbian working
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<steev> after kismet finishes building, i'll be pushing out 6.4.8 clover (nothing new, the 6.4.7 stuff on top of 6.4.8)
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<Jasper[m]1> I still desperately hope and plead for a Fedora image
<Jasper[m]1> But I guess that doesn't happen until boot is fixed
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<zspec> Thanks clover, I'll reach out to harvestz.
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<bankbank> anyone here using the lenovo yoga c630? where does it rate as far as ease of setting up ? debian and arch arm both working?
<bankbank> also, is there a separate channel for arm32 laptops? like the samsung exynos peach pi/peach pit chromebooks, kinda interested in those
<alpernebbi> there's #linux-cros-arm for arm chromebooks but it's less active, or maybe try postmarketOS channels
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<_[m]1> <jja2000> "But I guess that doesn't..." <- yea I tested the latest rawhide built, still black screen - as with most other aarch64 images
<_[m]1> @clover great timing, it's my first day off 🎉
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<Jasper[m]> _[m]1: :(
<_[m]1> or no it gets stuck on exiting initramfs i think
<_[m]1> supposedly people are working on it though, but no wiki updates or nothing, I didn't dig in the issue queue though
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<Jasper[m]> _[m]1: Hm, bummer. It's a good time to order a new ssd and reinstall
<_[m]1> take care to buy the correct form factor 😉
<Jasper[m]> _[m]1: Oh yeah that won't be a problem
<bankbank> alpernebbi: is it generally easier to get linux running on 64bit chromebooks than the older 32bit chromebooks?
<bankbank> I was looking at the samsung exynos peach pi/peach pit chromebook with 4gb ram
<Jasper[m]> I also have the extender so it's likely just going to be a 1TB 2230 drive
<bankbank> (16gb emmc lol)
<Jasper[m]> bankbank: jenneron worked on these for a bit https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Samsung_Chromebook_2_11.6%22_(google-peach-pit)
<bankbank> what's jenneron?
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<jenneron[m]> me
<bankbank> jenneron do you think the peach pi 13inch 4gb/16gb exynos chromebook is easy to get linux running on?
<jenneron[m]> pmOS yes
<bankbank> oh dang is this like a distro for phones
<bankbank> will i be at a big disadvantage running 32bit arm linux or does it not really make a big difference?
<bankbank> I'm fine with arm7/32bit/old computers.. my primary laptop is a celeron n3060 with 4gb ram and 32gb emmc XD
<alpernebbi> aside from pmOS, I think generally, it's kind of a balance between being old enough that people have fixed major issues on it and being new enough to be still relevant
<jenneron[m]> there are also hexdump's debian/ubuntu images if it's okay for you to not have headphones and GPU working
<bankbank> jenneron: what're the disadvantages of no GPU? everything's rendered in software is still OK performance? I don't care about playing 3d games
<jenneron[m]> but there may be GPU issues on pmOS too, I don't have peach-pi to test it properly
<jenneron[m]> that's why it is not included in https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/pmaports/-/merge_requests/4291
<bankbank> apernebbi: yeah I want the sweet spot of "not super expensive like x13s" but still usable and relatively well supported
<bankbank> I thought there were open source mali drivers being added to mainline? I'm not that knowledgable about kernel stuff though
<jenneron[m]> bankbank: GPU tasks load CPU -> CPU has more to do -> you have less CPU performance for other tasks
<bankbank> jenneron: is there a pmOS list of very-well-supported devices?
<jenneron[m]> bankbank: GPU is kinda broken on exynos, we have hacks in pmOS kernel to solve it
<jenneron[m]> bankbank: if you're looking for a device to buy it is better to get a 64 bit one
<jenneron[m]> there were mt8183 chromebooks for 60$ on ebay and I bought a 7c one for 90
<bankbank> what're your thoughts on Acer Chromebook R13 ? I've seen that one for sale around here
<bankbank> are the mediatek socs well supported?
<jenneron[m]> the mt8173 one? should be good except GPU which is work in progress
<Jasper[m]> There's also the 7c gen2 models by lenovo, but support could be a bit meh
<jenneron[m]> bankbank: chromebook ones yes
<jenneron[m]> phones no
<jenneron[m]> bankbank: there is a list of chromebooks on https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Chrome_OS_devices
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<bankbank> jenneron I see you have the peach pit, isn't it generally the same as peach pi? https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/User:Jenneron
<bankbank> what's your experience been using it? is it daily driver worthy?
<jenneron[m]> it depends
<jenneron[m]> it is not the same as peach-pi, 11.6 vs 13.3 and a bit newer SoC with about the same performance
<jenneron[m]> GPU works for me on peach-pit, but someone reported it being problematic on peach-pi
<jenneron[m]> it also depends on the price you can get it for
<jenneron[m]> I wouldn't be getting peach-pit for more than 35$
<bankbank> does peach-pit have like a faux-leather case on the screen outer area? I think I saw something like that for one of these two and it looks like it might get nasty after ten years of existence
<jenneron[m]> yeah they are usually in bad condition
<bankbank> so what would you say are one or two optimal devices to look for in the $75-$200 range ? acer r13?
<bankbank> a device that has good support, wifi and gpu works, that sort of thing
<bankbank> but isn't the x13s $1000 msrp type of device
<jenneron[m]> not peach-pit for this budget
<jenneron[m]> peach-pit for 75$ is scam
<jenneron[m]> on snapdragon 7c
<jenneron[m]> they became more expensive, but still at your budget https://www.ebay.com/itm/195239097116
<bankbank> nice, thanks for the recommendation
<bankbank> only ships to USA, I'm traveling abroad atm. I searched in my location and all the spin5 513 are intel =[
<jenneron[m]> yeah, i used a service to ship it to my country from their US address
<jenneron[m]> bankbank: check whether there are other snapdragon 7c options
<jenneron[m]> use "snapdragon chromebook" or something like this in search
<bankbank> 7c over 8c because they're cheaper or because they're better supported?
<bankbank> there's a bunch of yoga c630 here, around $300 iirc
<jenneron[m]> 7c is cheaper and better supported comparing to 8cx first gen
<jenneron[m]> not sure about third
<bankbank> ok that's good to know
<jenneron[m]> yoga c630 is probably a good option except the installation process
<jenneron[m]> and being more closed
<jenneron[m]> unlike chromebooks with open-source firmware
<bankbank> "except the installation process" makes me scared :P
<bankbank> found hp chromebook x2 11 8+64g for around $275
<jenneron[m]> well it's a tablet
<bankbank> not sure i'm really into the whole table thing with a detachable keyboard
<bankbank> yeah
<bankbank> is it equally well supported as the spin5 513 7c?
<jenneron[m]> it should be
<jenneron[m]> except camera
<jenneron[m]> you can also try "mt8183 chromebook" in the search
<jenneron[m]> but it is a bit meh comparing to 7c
<Jasper[m]> I wonder if the 7c+ gen 3 chips are vapourware or not
<bankbank> mtk8183 is a bit meh performance wise compared with 7c?
<jenneron[m]> not only
<jenneron[m]> it has something like 1.5 times less CPU performance and 4 times less GPU performance, but as for me it is not that bad
<jenneron[m]> although with mt8183 you have less chances to get video decoding supported with browsers
<jenneron[m]> also GPU is limited to OpenGL 3.1 and no vulkan
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<DocGalaxyBlock[m]> Hey guys, I finally got my machine - a Lenovo IdeaPad 4G (14Q8C05) SD 8c (SC8180) 8GB - 256GB 2280 NVMe for 235â‚Ŧ
<DocGalaxyBlock[m]> Did anybody tried to get something booted on this device?
<DocGalaxyBlock[m]> _Of course the two daily-live ubuntus do not boot_
<jenneron[m]> while 7c is OpenGL 4.6 and Vulkan 1.3 like desktop GPUs
<jenneron[m]> for example, minecraft 1.20 java requires OpenGL 3.2, so it can't work on mt8183
<bankbank> ah ok, i guess that's why you didn't endorse the acer r13 when i asked about it. MT8173C
<jenneron[m]> mt8173 has no GPU support at all right now
<jenneron[m]> it is work in progress
<jenneron[m]> mt8183 has GPU support, it is good but not as good as 7c
<jenneron[m]> bankbank: you can see all mt8173 ones at https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/All_Chrome_OS_devices have 3D acceleration marked as broken
<bankbank> is this for debian and arch arm as well as pm?
<jenneron[m]> for all
<jenneron[m]> (GPU is not working for all, the status table is only for pmOS)
<bankbank> gotcha
<bankbank> ASUS Chromebook Flip C100 worth $90 ?
<jenneron[m]> well, i got 7c for 90, so for me it wouldn't
<jenneron[m]> i highly recommend looking for 64 bit ones
<jenneron[m]> mt8183 if not 7c
<bankbank> I think there might be some devices not listed there
<bankbank> like samsung galaxy book go np345xla - 7c gen 2
<bankbank> or when you say 7c do you mean specifically only 7c gen 1?
<jenneron[m]> this page is for chrome os devices
<bankbank> oh that's windows on arm
<bankbank> so is there any big distinction between the two?
<jenneron[m]> SoCs are similar
<jenneron[m]> but galaxy book go is not supported afaik
<jenneron[m]> bankbank: btw where are you from? if it's not too private to tell
<bankbank> asia
<jenneron[m]> i might be able to sell a 7c one for 160$ in Europe
<jenneron[m]> i see, not an option
<jenneron[m]> i just have 2 of them now by a situation
<bankbank> found a really junky looking duet, unspecified model, 4g/64g
<jenneron[m]> it might be mt8183 or 7c or intel
<bankbank> oh it's helio p60
<jenneron[m]> helio p60 is mt8183
<bankbank> i see
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<bankbank> huawei matebook e go 8cx gen3 $450
<Jasper[m]> I hope I can get my Pixel C in a useable state, I kinda want a functional tablet to mess around with.
<jenneron[m]> bankbank: if you're willing to work on linux for it
<Jasper[m]> bankbank: There was someone else here that bought one, but I don't think they were trying to get it working with Linux.
<bankbank> jenneron: performance will be very similar to thinkpad x13s?
<Jasper[m]> Yes
<Jasper[m]> Jasper[m]: No searchbutton in fluffychat so can't check atm
<jenneron[m]> bankbank: if you're looking for a tablet hp x2 might be a good option
<jenneron[m]> that huawei is better if you're fine with windows
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<bankbank> I definitely do not want windows
<Jasper[m]> Thanks, that'd be @matalama then if they're still here
<bankbank> this looks nice but I have a feeling it might have never existed, found it linked from qualcomm's marketingish page https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-Laptop-14-FHD-Touch-Qualcomm-Snapdragon-7c-Gen-2-4GB-RAM-128-GB-eMMC-Silver-Windows-11-14-ed0123wm/185295507
<jenneron[m]> interesting, we don't have this one on wiki
<bankbank> I found it for sale 4g/32g, looks like it's in rough shape, around $80
<DocGalaxyBlock[m]> bankbank Maybe this is helpful for you:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/ubNXyIizadFsHazJyyDqjPzM>)
<steev> fwiw, my chromebook2 (i don't recall if mine is pi or pit) lid is fine, there's no... ick at all and it's not peeling
<bankbank> hi DocGalaxy, thanks. I don't know how to view this https://matrix.to/#/!wBGAxqBlmcgDIRjsJf:matrix.org/$_Mlv1-JiUDs7KDMp6CFFYQGcQF0dHw2kHVG-131Fnj8
<jenneron[m]> i should probably add more devices to wiki
<DocGalaxyBlock[m]> ok then you joined probably after I posted that file here...
<steev> in general... the matrix handling of irc is kinda wack.
<bankbank> jenneron: so if I could snag that hp fortis "qualcomm 7180" for around $50, would it be worth it? or unknown quantity that may not work out well?
<jenneron[m]> bankbank: i don't know anyone who tested it, but there are dts files in linux tree and pmOS image makes use of them
<jenneron[m]> it should be fine, but i can't promise
<Jasper[m]> bankbank: Sounds good for the price
<jenneron[m]> yeah very
<bankbank> I seem to have found Lenovo 10e Chromebook Tablet but it's not MT8183, it's "sc7180"
<bankbank> 4gb/64gb
<jenneron[m]> it is either mt8183 or not 10e
<Jasper[m]> 10w is possible, that's 7c gen 2
<jenneron[m]> that hp with 7c (7180) for 50 sounds really good
<Jasper[m]> Jasper[m]: also windows
<bankbank> ah ok maybe the listing is incorrect
<bankbank> " Excellent HP Chromebook x2 11 2-in-1 is dragged down by its terrible detachable keyboard" but a person could just use any USB keyboard, right?
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<bankbank> https://www.ebay.com/itm/235048230674 Acer Aspire 1 A114-61 - Snapdragon 7c - windows
<jenneron[m]> that's the one supported by travmurav
<jenneron[m]> should be good except installation process
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<jenneron[m]> bankbank: i think i added all of them to https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Google_Trogdor_Chromebook_(google-trogdor)
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<bankbank> so um.. if I end up getting this hp fortis 11... what are the steps I need to take to install linux?
<Jasper[m]> Compile the kernel and boot it using grub
<Jasper[m]> Then check how well it works
<Jasper[m]> This can be somewhat simplified using pmos, but it should be possible with any distro that has new enough packages to facilitate mesa basically
<Jasper[m]> Oh also, I think you need to enable developer mode to get rid of chromeos
<jenneron[m]> should become simpler in a few weeks, but it is not hard right now
<jenneron[m]> for debian/ubuntu there are hexdump's images
<Jasper[m]> jenneron[m]: Is the fortis supported?
<jenneron[m]> probably
<jenneron[m]> but like pmOS may be not tested
<Jasper[m]> jenneron[m]: Ah wait, a shared chromeos device package?
<travmurav[m]> they all are the same device with minor differences afaiu due to how google does it
<bankbank> how good of a deal is it new for $439? https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-fortis-11-inch-g9-q-chromebook
<jenneron[m]> well.. 4 GB would be garbage
<jenneron[m]> it is 8 GB, I'm not sure
<jenneron[m]> you probably know better, you don't have lazors for 150$ in your region
<Jasper[m]> Btw jenneron, does crossystem work on alpine?
<Jasper[m]> Since vboot-utils is a package
<jenneron[m]> Jasper[m]: there is some dependency missing, it works only partially
<jenneron[m]> I think you can't enable booting from USB with this
<jenneron[m]> but there is another way to do that
<Jasper[m]> Gonna solder the suzyqable tonight and report back I guess
<jenneron[m]> Jasper[m]: you can try to bind SPI flash in mainline dts
<Jasper[m]> jenneron[m]: It is already afaik
<jenneron[m]> then you should be able to enable booting from USB already
<Jasper[m]> There's a device with qspi in the dts already
<Jasper[m]> Nvm, I misremembered
<jenneron[m]> flashrom -p linux_mtd -r backup.img, save backup, futility gbb --set --flags=0x18 backup.img 0x18.img, flashrom -p linux_mtd -w 0x18.img, reboot
<Jasper[m]> It was downstream
<jenneron[m]> Jasper: you can run alpine linux or something in termux, and run flashrom from there
<jenneron[m]> i guess
<Jasper[m]> Cause of the missing dep?
<Jasper[m]> Oh wait, what I said about downstream
<jenneron[m]> gbb way doesn't require crossystem
<jenneron[m]> but it requires SPI flash available
<Jasper[m]> Yeah I understand
<jenneron[m]> suzyq may be safer though
<jenneron[m]> also i'm wondering if android has crossystem pre-installed
<jenneron[m]> if yes i would stop using --no-cgpt
<Jasper[m]> I need to add modules-initfs aswell
<robclark> Jasper[m]: the 7c gen1 and gen2 chromebooks all have pretty fully functional support upstream (ie. everything but mipi camera on the tablets)
<Jasper[m]> <robclark> "Jasper: the 7c gen1 and gen2..." <- Upstream support for chromebooks wasn't always this good right?
<robclark> Jasper[m]: for the qc ones it has always been good, upstream kernel support before first devices shipped.. mtk has been lagging more
<Jasper[m]> robclark: Hahaha yeah, and the last tegra croa device submitted didn't ship with ChromeOS in the end. Okay good to know!
<robclark> I think there was some tegra thing that shipped with CrOS.. but that was before my time..
<jenneron[m]> yeah, we have 2 tegra k1 laptops supported in pmOS
<jenneron[m]> there is also a tegra k1 chromebox not supported in upstream, unfortunately none of us has one
<Jasper[m]> jenneron[m]: Which is it? I'd love to take a look
<Jasper[m]> Ah acer chromebase
<jenneron[m]> yeah I probably misremembered it
<jenneron[m]> Jasper[m]: it would be good to give some attention to laptops too
<jenneron[m]> there are ones on ebay for 40$
<Jasper[m]> <jenneron[m]> "yeah I probably misremembered it" <- https://www.ebay.nl/itm/204401198204 also 40â‚Ŧ :^)
<Jasper[m]> More expensive one is about 200â‚Ŧ with screen and all, that's not really worth it I guess
<Jasper[m]> Jasper[m]: Would've been good if it used a pd compatible voltage, would've been easier
<jenneron[m]> not sure why would you want it without display
<Jasper[m]> jenneron[m]: It should have hdmi out, otherwise you're right
<Jasper[m]> <jenneron[m]> "it would be good to give some..." <- Have a certain one you're missing?
<jenneron[m]> Jasper[m]: any
<jenneron[m]> there are 2 of them: nyan-blaze and nyan-big
<jenneron[m]> check pmOS wiki
<Jasper[m]> jenneron[m]: Oh I know that, I meant Chromebooks in general
<Jasper[m]> But yeah I'll look for those two
<jenneron[m]> check the "Not moved devices" spoiler
<jenneron[m]> add to it new SoCs that I don't have: mt8186, mt8192, mt8195
<jenneron[m]> and pick any
<steev> i have a nyan big
<steev> the only issue i have with mine is that it keeps randomly refusing to charge the battery anymore
<Jasper[m]> <jenneron[m]> "check the "Not moved devices..." <- Hmm so nyan big, blaze and new mediatek stuff
<Jasper[m]> I've already found some blazes but they still go for around 100â‚Ŧ sadly, I'll keep looking
<steev> nb should have mainline support though? i know i used to test a few things for them
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<clover[m]> steev any updates to your github in the last 24h?
<clover[m]> <steev> "after kismet finishes building..." <- is kismet as kali thing?
<steev> no, kismet is kismetwireless.net
<steev> and no, i didn't push
<steev> i'm actually about to
<clover[m]> Ok
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<agl7-x13s-eos> clover[m]: Hello, I have read at 3:33 am (9:33 pm in USA) that you hae released the new archiso-x13s. I will see if I have time at the weekend if I can install EndeavourOS on my x13s!
<clover[m]> let us know how it goes
<_[m]1> I've set my mind on btrfs with /boot encrypted with luks2, anyone had success with this and which approach? I'm thinking to go with the grub improved argon2
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<konradybcio> tested on 8350 phone and x13s
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<Jasper[m]> I did a pisspoor job at trying to solder a SuzyQable, but everything as far as measurements goes seems to check out. Any idea why plugging it into the pixel c gives no output?
<Jasper[m]> Seems like I may have swapped d- and d+ because the video had it wrong hahaha
<_[m]1> @clover is it possible the new iso doesn't work with your pgp key on pgp.mit.edu?
<clover[m]> it should work
<Jasper[m]> <Jasper[m]> "Seems like I may have swapped d-..." <- Swapped it, didn't work
<Jasper[m]> _[m]1: Be sure to sync time, that's the problem I ran into
<clover[m]> sometimes the network drops, just keep trying. and yeah sync tme
<clover[m]> s/tme/time/
<_[m]1> ok I thought I did, and I ran this ironrobin script
<_[m]1> * ironrobin script to not have to type the key right, but it only failed on pacstra, needed a Y
<_[m]1> ok yeah they should already be there mm
<_[m]1> now failing to retrieve mesa from github, operation too slow
<clover[m]> are you on pacstrap step?
<_[m]1> yeah
<_[m]1> I ran pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring now
<clover[m]> just try it again
<clover[m]> ok
<_[m]1> same error, failed retrieving mesa from github.com - operation too slow
<Jasper[m]> _[m]1: Are you connecting over wifi?
<Jasper[m]> If yes, try usb tethering
<_[m]1> maybe with -y
<_[m]1> yeah
<_[m]1> but I can download packages
<steev> konradybcio: i'll check it out
<_[m]1> signature is unknown trust
<clover[m]> you probably didn't get the key then
<clover[m]> the manual steps to import my key
<clover[m]> sometimes the keyservers are down and you just have to wait, it sucks
bankbank has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
<_[m]1> myeah, thought the web frontend is up and could curl 🤷
<_[m]1> it siad the key was in db too dunno
<clover[m]> try the --recv-key step manually
<clover[m]> i mean the --lsign-key
<_[m]1> waiting it is 🙂
<_[m]1> yeah you're prolly right it's down
<_[m]1> oh my, it's just the signing?
<_[m]1> now it's extra.db too slow, and I'm usb tethering
<_[m]1> it passed, magic 🌈
<clover[m]> cool
<clover[m]> i was going to say maybe change the mirror you are using
<_[m]1> yay (pun)
<_[m]1> i read that =
<clover[m]> good luck in the chroot
<_[m]1> * i read that's a regular occurence
<_[m]1> pretty excited about that improved grub 🙂
<clover[m]> whats this
<_[m]1> proof grub can work with LUKS2 🙂
<_[m]1> I am afraid I'm going to become an arch fanboy my goodness
<_[m]1> I built yay to install it, and got some error it's not available for aarch64, but it still installs
<clover[m]> you shouldn't have to build yay on eos. it is packaged
<clover[m]> pacman -S yay
<_[m]1> oh I'm not there yet
<_[m]1> so it's not available ☚ī¸
<clover[m]> i see
<clover[m]> so you need something from AUR to setup
<_[m]1> which means mm start over or try the other grub workaround
<jenneron[m]> Jasper: are you trying both sides of type c?
<_[m]1> * not available for aarch64 ☚ī¸
<HdkR> AArch64 says not today
<_[m]1> ack
<_[m]1> the grub issue did mention you can use luks2 with pbkdf2 though
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