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What is expected to happen when the lid of a MacBook Air is closed and then opened again?
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Doliometer I doubt we have suspend for video yet. It always displays video afaik
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somebody correct me if wrong\
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Generally speaking, if I close the lid and reopen, I get a blank screen with underscore prompt in upper left. The system is unresponsive and I have to reboot. Is that common?
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Doliometer: When you close the lid and open again the system should turn off the backlight of the screen using a gpio pin and reenable when opening it.
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Doliometer: What you're seeing are the symptoms of broken try to suspend the system.
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On asahi suspend should be disabled until fixed: sudo systemctl mask sleep.target suspend.target hibernate.target hybrid-sleep.target
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Than try again. Let me know if that fixes your issue.
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marcan >
userspace should detect missing kernel suspend support
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marcan >
if you are building your kernels with suspend enabled, that's another mistake in your kernel .config for the endless list you've made so far :)
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marcan >
(this isn't rocket science... I can't believe I still have to tell you these things...)
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mps >
heh, I enabled it intentionally so users wouldn't ask me 'why you didn't enabled suspend'
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j`ey >
but then it breaks if they try to use it!
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i would assume the kernel to not advertise suspend support if the hardware platform does not support it. but that's black low-level magic
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hell__ >
at least on x86 platforms, the kernel can check ACPI tables to see which ACPI S-states are supported
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j`ey: it is alpha, so I think users shouldn't expect much of it
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waldi: the hardware does support it.. but bugs cause the wifi driver to crash (which markan looked at last stream, so I assume will probably be fixed 'next')
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mps >
though I'm surprised that some users use it for serious tasks (reported to me in private mails)
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chadmed >
i take my j314 to uni when i need it
*shrug*
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chadmed >
only thing i cant make work that i need is wpa2 enterprise but i just use my unis public network. i need it rarely enough that it doesnt bother me
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mps >
yes, I use it daily for nearly 9 months as working 'horse'
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but I don't count me as end user (though I don't think I'm better than they)
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chadmed: do you iwd or wpa_supplicant for wifi
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s/you/you use/
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iwd with all the required use flags etc
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its probably networkmanager or the kde network config thingy
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I don't use enterprise moode but read on #iwd channel that some users uses it
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i specify the certificate and credentials and then they just disappear from the systemsettings module and it wont connect
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not really an asahi thing though (i dont think)
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NM have issues with this
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chadmed: tried to use iwctl directly?
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i tried making a network config fragment file for the network and that didnt work either actually but it was probably something i misconfigured
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or even create config file manually
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about year ago someone reported to me that he uses even ead (ethernet 'part' of iwd) for authenticated access to switches with certicicates
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Hello Glanzmann, disabling asahi suspend as prescribed worked: closing the lid has no effect as far as I can tell. Thanks.
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Doliometer: what distro are you using?
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ah ok, wasn't obvious from the original q
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wanted to be concise, not cryptic. sorry.
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mps: it worked first try today :D
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chadmed_: nice that you 'fixed' it
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probably just something that got fixed in iwd or networkmanager lmao
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which version of iwd is in gentoo
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1.30 as of at least a few days ago
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if i wanted stable id use debian ;)
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i have ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~arm64 in my make.conf
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I just had a funny idea, with the current way that ashi Linux installs, you could modify it to act sort of like a scare tactic virus & trick a grandma into installing Linux (saying you should NOT do this). just throw in some text about this being the method to fix your computer instead of install linux
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i_forgot[m] >
<chadmed_> "probably just something that got..." <- so if i just update my normal ashi install it will work with wp2a enterprise, or are there other steps
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i_forgot[m] >
> <@_oftc_chadmed_:matrix.org> probably just something that got fixed in iwd or networkmanager lmao
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i_forgot[m] >
* so if i just update my normal ashi install it will work with wp2a enterprise, or are their other steps, sorry just found it hard to follow the conversation
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chadmed_ >
if ALARM has iwd 1.30 or a new version of networkmanager then yes
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ChaosPrincess >
if you can convince the user to run curl | sudo bash, you can just encrypt all the files they care about, there is no need to install linux for a scare tacticl
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chadmed_ >
but i use gentoo on my machine so YMMV
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chadmed_ >
yeah if youve already done enough social engineering to get granny to fire up a terminal and pipe a webpage into a shell then you can do whatever you want lmao
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chadmed_ >
also, linux
_does_ fix these machines :P
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i_forgot[m] >
ChaosPrincess: nahh i just thought it would be funny, especially some apple tech support, if they haven't heard of Asahi linux, getting this laptop
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ChaosPrincess >
meh, they will just dfu wipe it
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i_forgot[m] >
but they would be really confused if they havent heard of the Asahi linux
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i_forgot[m] >
i wonder how aware of this project apple is
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ChaosPrincess >
they know it exists, and even made some fixes to their code to make sure asahi stuff does not break
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i_forgot[m] >
that's nice of them, better than Microsoft calling Linux "a cancer"
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i_forgot[m] >
i_forgot[m]: it was a while ago but still
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ChaosPrincess >
linux is cancer if you only sell software, since it directly competes with you. For apple - they already sold you the hardware and the bundled os.
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i_forgot[m] >
i think OS would be so much better if they were a subscription because they would have a incentive to keep you around, unfortunately there is still really no real competition, and no one wants to pay a monthly fee for there OS
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i_forgot[m] >
* think OS's would
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ChaosPrincess >
consumers do not want to do it, enterprise gladly does so
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ChaosPrincess >
and no, the rent-seeking models do not improve the quality of the product, they just improve the monetizability
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ChaosPrincess >
ever tried playing any soon-to-be-dead mmo? the only parts of them that work flawlessly is the mtx shop
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ChaosPrincess >
same stuff will happen with oses that go that model
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i_forgot[m] >
ChaosPrincess: but if there was an alternative then Microsoft would have to compete to make a better product
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ChaosPrincess: yea i agree it an unfortunate truth
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chadmed_ >
i have multiple friends who work in enterprise SaaS sales and it churn my stomach how revolting the companies they work for are
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chadmed_ >
nothing but distilled rent seeking
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i_forgot[m] >
i hate this place (earth) it feels like the corporations have already won & no one can really stop them. lawmakers are all getting payed to not fix anything
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chadmed_ >
it doesnt fix anything or solve any problems other than outsourcing liabilities
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chadmed_ >
(which to be fair is all most companies give a damn about)
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i_forgot[m] >
i_forgot[m]: all my friends at school don't even care that there getting taken advantage off by these companies, "what is china going to do with my personal information, i don't care"
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i think we all are getting kinda offtopic-y here :P
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sorry i just get really depressive mood swings
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i_forgot[m] >
i have a question, will all the drivers need to be rewritten for debian or are the compatible with both
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ChaosPrincess >
drivers are the same
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ChaosPrincess >
all distros use the same kernel
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i_forgot[m] >
also why dont more x_86 computers have an options to install without a USB it something i have only seen on the M1
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theres already a debian spinoff, have a look at the wiki
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wdym? x86 machines are totally capable of a similar install flow, its just not the canonical way to do it because its inconvenient and silly on that platform
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ChaosPrincess >
on x86 you can also install an os from internal disk w/o a usb, you just need to point efi at the bootloader
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ah ok
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chadmed_ >
in fact when i still used to dual boot windows, i kept a small partition on my secondary ssd with the windows installer on it as a sort of recovery drive
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ChaosPrincess >
you can throw netboot.xyz on your internal disk and point efi at it, and you can install a ton of distros from the network
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chadmed_ >
the reason we use this install/boot flow is out of necessity. these machines are entirely incapable of "truly" booting off a USB stick, and the security model prevent loading unsigned code without doing stuff in 1TR anyway
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chadmed_ >
that said, i honestly prefer it to fumbling about with USB sticks and bootloaders
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i_forgot[m] >
do you think that we could get an option to install these thought the same installer we use for ashi linux like as a selectable option, maybe it could just make it run a another "curl script.sh" commands that the distor maintanter provide
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ChaosPrincess >
there is already support in asahi installer to install alternative oses
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ChaosPrincess >
there is a json you can edit and point at your own os images
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chadmed_ >
the asahi installer is designed to enable this eventually but the focus right now is on getting the hardware to actually work
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chadmed_ >
there are guides for bootstrapping alt distros from asahi, its not that much trouble
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ChaosPrincess >
i think there is several people there that run debian with asahi kernel, i and some other people run gentoo with asahi kernel, its not that hard
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and alpine and fedora
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basically, just take your favorite distro that supports arm64, copy the firmware and swap the kernel out
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i_forgot[m] >
<ChaosPrincess> "basically, just take your..." <- do you think kali linux will work
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i_forgot[m] >
thats probity way to complex for me so i might just wait till someone else does it
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chadmed_ >
eventually every distro should Just Work
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i_forgot[m] >
finally i can play elite dangerous at school
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i_forgot[m]: and hack it with kali linux
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