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<RowanG[m]>
If a project explicitly uses vulkan then even with the openGL userspace driver and kernel part from Lina and Alyssa it won't work right?
<RowanG[m]>
There isn't some kind of magical translation
<RowanG[m]>
I ask because I glscopeclient is moving towards Vulkan
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<_jannau_>
no, there is only zink for the inverse translation. OpenGL on top of a native vulkan driver
<_jannau_>
there will be a vulkan driver for agx, the opengl es driver is the first milestone since it is simple (compared to the alternatives) and alyssa has experience writing opengl es drivers.
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<RowanG[m]>
I suspected as much :).
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<veloek>
What are the downsides of choosing another distro than the "official" arch based Asahi Linux? Is there a delay before new features are propagated out to the different package repositories?
<sven>
different level of quality assurance and you don’t get to complain here if anything breaks ;)
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<pavelkukacka[m]>
<tobhe> "itisyeetimetoday: i have been..." <- Nice job! Is it possible to get Debian stable running? Or something one can tranform into (current) Linux Mint or LMDE..?
<veloek>
sven: Heh, duly noted :-)
<chadmed[m]>
Depends on which one you choose. I try to keep gentoo tracking within 24 hours of asahi getting updates but also cant really help you if somethingn explodes unexpectedly
<chadmed[m]>
I smoke test stuff and guard it behind the unstable keyword until im sure it works though so stuff shouldnt explode unexpectedly
<mps>
veloek: as chadmed[m] told, I do nearly same for alpine linux. If you interested on other distros please join #asahi-alt and ask more there
<veloek>
I've been testing Asahi using arch and it's fine, but I prefer debian. Think I will postpone doing the switch for a while still.
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<Retr0id>
what (vanilla) discord app are people using under asahi? I couldn't seem to find an aarch64-compatible aur package, but I didn't look very hard
<pavelkukacka[m]>
> <@_oftc_tobhe:matrix.org> itisyeetimetoday: i have been working on getting ubuntu running actually, see https://github.com/tobhe/ubuntu-asahi
<pavelkukacka[m]>
* Nice job! Is it possible to get Debian stable running? Or something one can tranform into (current) Linux Mint or LMDE..?
<pavelkukacka[m]>
I was trying, but ended up with unmet dependencies and messed up updates.
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<Ry_Darcy>
pavelkukacka Is it possible to get Debian stable running? Yes, follow the instructions as outlined.
<Retr0id>
ChaosPrincess, that's what I'm using right now, but there's some firefox/discord bug that causes horrendous GC hangs ever few seconds, and I'd rather not use chrome
<j`ey>
the discord app itself is electron right? which is basically chrome..?
<bluetail>
electron <.<
<Retr0id>
indeed, but slightly more native feeling, and without as many googley bits
<pavelkukacka[m]>
<Ry_Darcy> "pavelkukacka Is it possible to..." <- Instructions are for Debian Testing, not stable.
<tobhe>
i am not sure what would be required to transform the ubuntu installation into mint but it might be enough to add their repos and install the right meta packages
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<kov>
btw I heard there is some progress on official fedora images, are there any alpha ones for me to test? ;D
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<albertobasaglia[m]>
is lina’s code currently being pushed on a branch in the asahi linux fork repo?
<j`ey>
kov: there's the one that leif made, or is that what you already used?
<sven>
there are some fedora people working on official support afaik, but I don’t think they have anything ready for public testing yet
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<kov>
j`ey, no, I made my own installation, leif's didn't seem great to me as its goal is to be minimalist, it uses iwd instead of NetworkManager and the like
<kov>
but I saw markan's comment on twitter that fedora official images are pushing forward and there were only a few rough edges to be sorted out still, so I was hoping I could take those for a spin if there is an alpha already
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<j`ey>
kov: there's a fedora asahi matrix, but i dunno how to access it
<sven>
#asahi:fedora.im
<j`ey>
any chance that's logged like irc is?
<sven>
I think you can the entire history if you join it
<sven>
+see
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<ah[m]>
Does anyone know if there has been any discussions about HDMI Out on M1 Pro (14", 2021) and where I can read about it?
<sven>
you can read me whine and complain about dcpext and DP altmode which is required for that hdmi out in #asahi-dev :D
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<kov>
j`ey, thanks, I'll figure out how to join =)
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<Puto>
I’m waiting for that myself to give asahi a try lol
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<TrueAdmin>
HGi
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<kkkkkk>
shut up bro
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<Pablo>
why are u toxic man?
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<Pablo>
kkkkkk get a live pls
<gand>
What is Pabl0?
<kkkkkk>
i like play with my wife, but this chat is te worst amazing trash i never seen
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<Pablo>
its trash bc u r in it
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<kkkkkk>
trash ur mother maduking mamawebo
<FakeTaxi>
???
<Pablo>
quien eres
<Pablo>
anda
<Pablo>
que te canta el plumero
<kkkkkk>
what is "plumero"
<kkkkkk>
u are from ESPANA ?
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<FakeTaxi>
Pablo, hi
<FakeTaxi>
kkkkkk, hi
<FakeTaxi>
amw hola
<FakeTaxi>
amw_ hi
<FakeTaxi>
hi
<FakeTaxi>
sven ?
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<eggnog12[m]>
hey guys, huge noob to linux/asahi, is there any way at all to get wine installed on asahi?
<tpw_rules>
there's some distant chance it's possible with qemu as a binfmt_misc handler
<eggnog12[m]>
basically my goal is to get wine installed so i can download games with lutris
<tpw_rules>
i would not expect games to be a pleasant experience. it might be better with box64 or FEX but iirc those do not work due to the 16k page size issue
<eggnog12[m]>
yes i heard of box64 as an alternative but because I know nothing, i have no clue how to get this game installed
<tpw_rules>
oh maybe box64 can tolerate it
<eggnog12[m]>
i should be able to run a .exe file with box64, or no?
<chadmed[m]>
No its not a windows api translation layer
<tpw_rules>
box64 is specifically for linux programs. i don't know if anyone has combined box64 and wine before
<JayFoxRox[m]>
even then you wouldn't have a graphics driver (yet), and even if you have one, it will likely only run legacy OpenGL which probably isn't enough for most wine D3D
<eggnog12[m]>
oh, i can fully describe my goal and if that's impossible let me know...
<eggnog12[m]>
apparently dungeons can be easily installed through lutris but obviously I dont have wine
<eggnog12[m]>
I want to download the Minecraft Launcher for windows and run it, because through the launcher i can download minecraft dungeons. and finally I want to run minecraft dungeons.
<chadmed[m]>
Theres a native linux build of the minecraft launcher
<eggnog12[m]>
yes but i dont think it will allow me to download minecraft dungeons because it is only available on windows
<chadmed[m]>
Regardless it is impossible to play at this stage because there is no gpu acceleration
<eggnog12[m]>
on asahi you mean?
<JayFoxRox[m]>
and without audio it's probably no fun either
<chadmed[m]>
Yeah
<chadmed[m]>
Have a look at the wiki to see which features do and don’t work at the moment
<eggnog12[m]>
can i still get the game to download and open even if gpu acceleration doesnt exist yet? so then when it does it's ready to play?
<chadmed[m]>
Can’t say for certain, it’s more likely than not that the answer is no though
<chadmed[m]>
The page alignment issue is kind of insurmountable
<eggnog12[m]>
is there an ELI5 for pages, i've never heard that before
<chadmed[m]>
It’s the size of a single “region” of system memory
<eggnog12[m]>
oh okay
<chadmed[m]>
On x86/amd64 they are 4K and on these machines they are 16K
<JayFoxRox[m]>
(to be fair, I'm not sure why box64 would work but FEX wouldn't, and I also don't quite understand why box64 doesn't do wine for 32-bit; I'll have to read up on their tech.. or probably ask phire :P )
<phire>
you know... I haven't really looked into box64
<chadmed[m]>
fex was just a matter of upstream not wanting to do it iirc
<chadmed[m]>
box64 doesnt work with 32 bit because it uses native system libraries instead of pulling in the amd64 ones
<phire>
I was talking with marcan, the 4k page issue is fixable. It's just going to require a bit of work to the linux kernel
<chadmed[m]>
And since aarch64 does not have any 32 bit libs for it to use then it cant run 32 bit guest programs
<JayFoxRox[m]>
<eggnog12[m]> "can i still get the game to..." <- long story short: it will probably take.. a long time [~years] (before GPU & audio & x86 / x64 emu + wine works). you'll be running a very experimental software stack for a while. so expect problems. if you want to play minecraft, get a windows machine or an x86 / x64 linux machine which is well-supported.
<JayFoxRox[m]>
chadmed[m]: it's not that easy. windows EXE have their sections 4k aligned, so you might have to map 2 sections into the same 16k page, even if sections need different access permissions
<JayFoxRox[m]>
phire: yeah, I read through that discussion; when I get my M1 machine I was just going to try some dirty mmap preload hacks to get around it for testing
<phire>
I was playing half-life2 : lost cost (linux 32bit x86 binary) under FEX in a linux vm on my MBP
<eggnog12[m]>
JayFoxRox[m]: okay, its not that big of a deal as this is just a side thing that i would like. I do have a windows desktop just no access to it right now, so I've been trying to figure out a way to play minecraft dungeons on my macbook
<phire>
had a bug with mouse control (probally x87 emulation bug), but it was at playable speeds when parallels opengl passthough was working
<chadmed[m]>
Have the issues with the source engine been sorted?
<phire>
that opengl passthough is a peice of shit
<eggnog12[m]>
also one small thing, how do updates work on this OS? do I just receive a notification similar to windows or is it different?
<j`ey>
eggnog12[m]: you run a command to get updates
<eggnog12[m]>
j`ey: okay, i figured that might be the case, where can I find this command?
<phire>
btw... windows doesn't actually fully support 4k allocations. So it might be possible to get wine quite far with just 16k pages
<j`ey>
eggnog12[m]: it's "pacman -Syu"
<chadmed[m]>
Ive been meaning to set up an armv7 chroot to try wine with box86 but ive been swamped with other, far more boring crap
<eggnog12[m]>
j`ey: thanks
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<JayFoxRox[m]>
you'll probably want to read the original alpha announcement and probably about arch linux ARM (what asahi is based on)
<j`ey>
yeah that too
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