<chadmed[m]>
axboe: ah i didnt realise it was a 16", im not sure how good the IRs will work on that even if pipewire was working properly as its the same set of IRs i use on the 14"
<chadmed[m]>
it was a placeholder solution until i could afford a 16" or borrow my friends but neither has happened yet.
<chadmed[m]>
wrt the m2 (for ljs's benefit), the speaker system works completely differently on those machines and so the config and the IRs will be totally useless
<chadmed[m]>
i wish people would read readmes, if the thing isnt in the list of supported devices its not going to work
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<marcan>
oh, that was matrix? uhh...
<marcan>
well that was dumb.
<marcan>
but also, that makes matrix kind of unmoderatable
<marcan>
if they all come from a single HE subnet with no original IP indication...
<marcan>
sigh.
<marcan>
is there any way to deal with abuse from the matrix side better? if not, we might have to start thinking about dropping the matrix bridge...
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<chadmed[m]>
i think most people are bridged, which kinda sucks
<chadmed[m]>
ive just been using it lately because my dev machine died and i cant daily linux on this machine yet (DCP + gpu dependent a11y stuff)
<chadmed[m]>
i miss konversation :(
<marcan>
:(
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<marcan>
(sorry for the snafu, I just woke up and didn't notice the [m] tag after the nickname I was trying to ban)
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<chadmed[m]>
i wonder if running a synapse instance and having a non-matrix-dot-org homeserver would fix that
<chadmed[m]>
or is the IRC bridge specifically linked to the matrix homeserver
* marcan
doesn't really know how any of this matrix stuff works
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wonders if he avoided the kick somehow
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<snek>
the wiki says there are working drivers for the speakers that aren't enabled yet, is there some in-development code somewhere i can build/install to enable it?
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<chadmed[m]>
its already built you just need to make DT edits to enable them
<chadmed[m]>
but if you peruse the logs just from the last few days you will see that theyre really in no state to be used
<snek>
i would but there are like 3000 lines of matrix users being banned
<chadmed[m]>
you need to edit the devicetree for the machine, recompile it, then put it back into the m1n1 payload
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<Dcow[m]>
hm....I got kicked from this channel (and others asahi-* too) this morning. is there some specific reason or just matrix bridge went down?
<chadmed[m]>
i think m arcan tried to ban someone and it killed the entire bridge lmao
<marcan>
mental note: do not use chanserv just after waking up
<marcan>
I saw a troll coming from several IPs in the same /64 and it didn't hit me it was the bridge...
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<mps>
this matrix gateway starting to go on nerves for me, not only on asahi channels. but I'm learning to ignore it mentally
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<snek>
chadmed[m]: is there any info on editing the device tree and what in that i'm editing?
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<mps>
snek: look at kernel source in arch/arm64/boot/dts/apple/ for DTS file for your model
<mps>
search for something like this 'DANGER ZONE: You can blow your speakers!'
<mps>
there is line 'status = "disabled";', change it to 'status = "okay";' and rebuild dtbs
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<mps>
in sound section I meant to say
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<sven>
marcan: hah, I also almost banned all of Matrix by accident yesterday :D
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<sven>
I wonder if moderation is possible on the matrix side but even that would be annoying
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<marcan>
yeah, I'm used to using IP masks to get rid of trolls/spammers effectively, losing that on Matrix is... really not great :(
<marcan>
for small-ish communities, you can often ban entire ISPs and only hit one person (at least long enough for them to go away), which is quite effective against typical trolls
<ElvishJerricco[m]>
is there risk of bans like that preventing some non-trolls from ever joining without moderators realizing it?
<marcan>
it happened once, the person PMed me, I removed it
<marcan>
I generally expect innocent people to ask if that happens :)
<as400[m]>
heh - "innocent" :)
<marcan>
it's not that common anyway. community moderation is imperfect, that's just life on the internet.
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<owayss[m]>
👋 a question on `Kconfig`: a particular configuration i am interested in (`CONFIG_KPROBE_EVENTS`, for hooking bpf programs to kernel entry functions) is being omitted from my final kernel configuration when asahi's PKGBUILD runs `make olddefconfig` in https://github.com/AsahiLinux/PKGBUILDs/blob/main/linux-asahi/PKGBUILD#L55 )
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<WhyNotHugo>
bootctl and some other bootloaders have a "reboot into firmware" mechanism.
<WhyNotHugo>
I think it usually goes through a UEFI call?
<WhyNotHugo>
Could uboot potentially implement that using that interface?
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<jannau>
why do you want to boot into recovery? to select macos in the boot picker? it should be possible to select the startup disk from linux via nvram
<WhyNotHugo>
So picking the next startup disk is available via nvram?
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<jannau>
define available. there is no code which does that on linux side. but that's very likely how the boot picker implements that it. note that slecting a statup disk reboots the machine
<sven>
that watchdog thing goes into a very low level recovery mode fwiw
<sven>
it won't even show the boot selection, it'll just wait for another machine with Apple Configurator to restore it
<sven>
isn't there even a boot-uuid or something like that in nvram? I bet all you have to do is change that to the correct value and then reboot
<sven>
yup, there's boot-volume and boot-info-payload
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<jannau>
the interesting bit is how the only next boot from volume x is implemented. we could then have a boot picker in u-boot/grub/sd-boot... as well
<WhyNotHugo>
sven: Oh, the watchdog is somewhat of a "developer mode" kind of thing.
<sven>
i wouldn't call that developer mode
<WhyNotHugo>
I get the idea tho; the watchdog isn't what I had in mind.
<WhyNotHugo>
jannau: Right, the picker could show "reboot into macOS", for example.
<WhyNotHugo>
Booting into a UEFI bundle (kernel+initramfs+cmdline) shows this error -> https://ibb.co/SmRL6jR Any ideas what I might be doing wrong?
<jannau>
there's no error. my first guess would be it doesn't load the initramfs
<WhyNotHugo>
The initramfs is inside the same UEFI bundle as the kernel.
<jannau>
afaik still needs to be prepared/loaded according to the kernel's boot protocol
<WhyNotHugo>
Building the UEFI bundle following the same steps works on a amd64 device. And the initramfs works when booting _without_ using a bundle.
<WhyNotHugo>
So I'm not sure what could be wrong here loading it.
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<maz>
I can't imagine how the kernel finds the initramfs if nothing tells it where it is. the EFI stub in the kernel expects to find the address in the DT.
<maz>
the fact that it works on x86 isn't much of a proof of nothing being wrong, I'm afraid.
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<BradPitcher[m]>
Reported and ignored
<axboe>
wtf is wrong with some people
<marcan>
they killed a friend of mine, that's how fucked in the head they are.
<sven>
*sigh*
<BradPitcher[m]>
So stupid and cruel
<marcan>
if they keep coming, I'd appreciate it if someone figures out how to solve the problem on the Matrix side, because otherwise I'm just going to block the bridge. I don't have time to deal with Matrix moderation issues.
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<maz>
this is all wrong on so many levels... :-/
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<marcan>
maz: welcome to the worst corners of the internet
<maz>
marcan: I'll go back to my cave. at least, the only idiot there is me.
<sven>
"While we deliberately do not expose client IP addresses to room admins, it is of course critical for server admins to be able to restrict access to their servers based on IP to handle abuse."
<sven>
:/
<Tramtrist[m]>
Theres a dropdown for moderation that moderators can edit looks like
<marcan>
sven: well that sure sounds like Matrix is on the chopping block if we can't mod it
<sven>
marcan: yup :-(
<marcan>
I'd heard about problems moderating Matrix, I guess I just found out about them
<sven>
looks like only server admins can do the irc-style ip bands
<sven>
*bans
<marcan>
Yeah, that doesn't cut it, unfortunately.
<Tramtrist[m]>
that was my original thinking
<Tramtrist[m]>
The 'node' being the server
<sven>
yup, from what I can tell I can only ban individual users from matrix
<Tramtrist[m]>
In which case.. either host your own or.. byebye
<marcan>
yup, not good enough
<sven>
"Unlike other systems, bans are enforced purely on the basis of a user’s matrix ID rather than by IP address or other parameters"
<Tramtrist[m]>
Not sure what that means
<marcan>
yeah, well, that's useless if they can just keep creating matrix IDs
<sven>
yeah
<Tramtrist[m]>
right
<marcan>
well, that's that then. if they keep coming, I'm shutting down the bridge.
<Tramtrist[m]>
seems like a problem solved eons ago
<sven>
so I guess if they keep coming we'll just have to drop the matrix rooms :(
<marcan>
matrix need to get their act together with moderation
<marcan>
as far as I'm concerned the bridge was always just a convenience for people who don't like IRC / prefer to use it as a fancy webirc
<marcan>
if it's causing us a problem, out it goes
<marcan>
IRC is the canonical venue
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<marcan>
(which I picked among other reasons because I actually know how to moderate it)
<Tramtrist[m]>
Not one to blame technology here but for this purpose wrong tool for the job ya
<Tramtrist[m]>
IRC is all anyone should need
<axboe>
tbf, irc kinda sucks and I get why people want to use things like matrix. but if the choice is between getting harassed or inconveniencing some users, I think the choice is clear here
<Tramtrist[m]>
ya feel same.. one less connection from bitlbee for me 🙃
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<mps>
matrix on irc annoys me
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<mps>
long messages, quoting
<marcan>
axboe: IRC, for all its ugliness, has decades of history defending itself from persistent attackers. it sounds like Matrix has a thing or two to learn there...
<mps>
but I 'learned' to usually skip these messages
<axboe>
marcan: agree
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<marcan>
(incidentally, for those here new to "those" kinds of people: the message above is copypasta, they didn't go and write that little diatribe just for us)
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<Tramtrist[m]>
hm weird
<Tramtrist>
There we go
<Tramtrist>
Didnt even realize I was connected through matrix
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<clover[m]>
Probably won't go to IRC but I can continue to get my updates on this cool project through Twitter. It's too bad that these folks have to ruin it for the rest of us Matrix users. The only "legacy" those people will leave behind is being remembered for the hateful miserable bullies that they are.
<mabiola[m]>
Will use IRC if I have to, just have an unstable connection.
<_jannau_>
clover[m]: there's no change yet w.r.t. the matrix bridge
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<Tramtrist>
if they do move that way clover[m] you can use the web client https://webchat.oftc.net
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<WhyNotHugo>
maz: It's in the same UEFI bundle. The stub does some the work on that.
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<Manouchehri>
sanity question, is 5.19.asahi5-1 still the latest kernel?
<j`ey>
yes
<Manouchehri>
oops, thanks.
<mps>
ime, asahi-wip is quite stable, I don't have any issue
<jannau>
it is broken on multi-die devices, the kernel package in asahi-dev has broken headphone jack audio on all m1 devices
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<mps>
well, I didn't tried asahi-dev branch for daily use (it is development at the end)
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<cy8aer>
Uuh, the matrix bridging is quite out of order I guess. Try it now with heisenbridge
<cy8aer>
and it works.
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<das_j>
cy8aer: heisenbridge is the only usable bridge imo
<das_j>
10/10 would switch to again
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<tpw_rules>
Manouchehri: no, sorry. i haven't seen one
<tpw_rules>
and yeah i'm not really wanting to release the asahi-wip kernel. manjaro already broke people with it. doubt i'm as popular but i'm just being patient
<bluetail0>
tpw_rules broke... people?
<tpw_rules>
i mean i don't think manjaro killed anyone but they did get asked to not do it again by asahi linux on twitter.
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<hell__>
o_O
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<mps>
tpw_rules: also i didn't upgrade to asahi-wip from 5.19 for alpine (also I'm patient) but I'm testing asahi-wip on my two machines
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<AdamTuby[m]>
Unrelated question (although it is related to M1): is there any convenient way to flush a cache line from the data cache in EL0? By the armv8 docs, this can be done using `DC IVAC` - but under EL0 its usage would be undefined (and accordingly it results in an illegal hardware instruction). So I turned to `DC CIVAC` (which both cleans and flushes the cache line), but after timing it with the simple PMC0 timers it didn't seem to have been
<AdamTuby[m]>
flushed (I used the barriers for the timing/flush parts). I have some insider information on all of the event encodings of the PMCs and so I tried using the event encodings for L1D cache load misses - and it also didn't notice any flushing of the cache line.
<AdamTuby[m]>
btw, I'm planning on writing a PMU reverse engineering benchmark library - I would be happy to contribute the findings to the docs, perhaps even contribute a kernel-module wrapper for interfacing with the PMU.
<AdamTuby[m]>
I can't share the event encodings as of now, but as long as my benchmarks will produce the same results as I have in my hand right now I'll be happy to share it!
<AdamTuby[m]>
* to the Asahi docs, perhaps
<AdamTuby[m]>
* I'm planning (well, already started) on writing, * to the Asahi docs, perhaps
<AdamTuby[m]>
* planning on (well, already started) writing a, * to the Asahi docs, perhaps
<AdamTuby[m]>
* the problem? (For the record, I patched the kernel to make all writes to SCTLR_EL1 have bit 26 (UCI) turned on - this makes sure the (defined) `DC` instruction series is enabled in EL0)
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<AdamTuby[m]>
I can't share the event encodings as of now, but as long as my benchmarks will produce the same results as I have in my hand right now I'll be happy to share it!
<AdamTuby[m]>
* btw, I'm planning on (well, already started) writing a PMU reverse engineering benchmarks library - I would be happy to contribute the findings to the Asahi docs, perhaps even contribute a kernel-module wrapper for interfacing with the PMU.
<jannau>
AdamTuby[m]: how would this go beyond current kernel PMU driver and the non secret event description inside macos/xcode?
<sven>
basing things on “insider information” is a terrible idea
<AdamTuby[m]>
reclarifying "I can't share the event encodings as of now, but as long as my benchmarks will produce the same results as I have in my hand right now I'll be happy to share it!".
<AdamTuby[m]>
jannau sven
<sven>
doesn’t matter
<sven>
if you have read leaked or non-public material that effectively taints everything you do
<AdamTuby[m]>
<jannau> "Adam Tuby: how would this go..." <- could you clarify what events are you talking about? I suppose we are not talking about the same thing - the current event selection of PMC2-9 is unknown: both by the official linux kernel driver and by any docs online.
<AdamTuby[m]>
sven: though you would say so, but as long as the benchmarks are thorough enough and non-speculative, the findings would sure help some microarchitectural researchers out there