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<lactose>
I'm thinking of trying to install an alternate distro using the Asahi distribution kernel, but I'm not sure how to go about doing that. I'm also unfamiliar with the boot process for Apple Silicon hardware, as I've only worked with x86_64-efi
<nicolas17>
I think you can use the official installer script and tell it to install the bare EFI bootloader instead of fedora
<lactose>
But how would I get the system installed? I'd imagine I'd need some sort of rootfs image?
<chadmed>
each alt distro has a slightly different procedure
<chadmed>
head over to #asahi-alt and ask
<chadmed>
all the alt distro maintainers hang out there
<lactose>
alr, thanks
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<shiggitay>
sup peeps... it's been a minute
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<OrngBug>
Happy New Year. I will be installing Asahi Linux on a Macbook Air M1 in the next few days. I haven't used an Apple computer since 2012. I am very familiar with linux as its been my daily driver for years. I have a few questions before I start.
<OrngBug>
1) if something fails in the set up can I simply go to the mac Recovery option and boot to the mac hard drive and start again?
<nicolas17>
well it depends on what fails
<OrngBug>
2) is there an online guide on how to remove Asahi Linux. This is a test computer and I'll likely make an Apple Mac Mini a desktop
<nicolas17>
but in the very *very* worst case (eg. if you install Linux and then you erase the entire disk with a bad dd command), you'll have to restore macOS from a second computer over USB
<nicolas17>
it's impossible to permanently brick an M1 machine, the last-resort recovery code is in ROM
<OrngBug>
yes it depends on what fails.
<nicolas17>
and it's unlikely you'll hit that worst case anyway :)
<OrngBug>
That is what my research online shows. I am very familiar with x86 installations so it would seem a bit impossible to destroy the machine. Thanks for that info
<OrngBug>
3) I normally use Gnome but I think I'll give KDE a spin. Can I swith later to Gnome if I desire in the same way we do in x86 by just adding Gnome and swithing at login?
<nicolas17>
well, on x86 systems, the low-level firmware (EFI) is in a separate flash chip usually
<nicolas17>
and if you manage to erase it or corrupt it, it could be a huge pain to recover it
<nicolas17>
could need special hardware to reflash the chip
<nicolas17>
on M1 Macs, that's in the main SSD, so it's maybe easier to erase by mistake (as I said, erasing whole disk with dd), but it's *easier* to recover
<nicolas17>
OrngBug: I think KDE and GNOME are options in the installer, so you can also start with GNOME
<nicolas17>
but yes, once the OS is installed, adding the other desktop environment is just installing the right fedora package
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<OrngBug>
Thanks.
<OrngBug>
Also... it going to take me a long time to remeber how to use IRC. It has been a very long time since I've used it regularly. 20 years or so. hahaha
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<veritas>
hi all
<veritas>
I am having some issues with Hyprland running on M1 Pro after the 6.6 kernel update. It crashes for me at startup. I am using NixOS with the nixos-apple-silicon module, mesa driver using overlay mode, pinned all nixpkgs to the nixos-apple-silicon nixpkgs latest version. Now Hyprland fails with eglQueryDeviceStringEXT, error: EGL_BAD_PARAMETER (0x300c)
<veritas>
Anyone has any experience with a similar setup ?
<veritas>
This is on M1 Pro
<veritas>
*oh I already said that*
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<OrngBug>
veritas I'm new here but it seems this question would get a better response in #asahi-alt
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<veritas_>
yea sorry, I posted there after noticing
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<thomsa>
(moving discussion from dev to here) at this point, it seems like i have a very expensive laptop with great hardware but very little existing software
<kidplayer666>
i mean
<thomsa>
and there are SDKs and APIs available to program some cool stuff
<leio>
I got my Mac with the understanding I might have to use macOS on it for a couple months
<thomsa>
with Metal graphics, MLX, etc.
<leio>
fortunately that ended up quite not being the case
<kidplayer666>
if you are on macOS, you are able to use most previous macOS applications
<leio>
there is no Metal graphics with asahi
<thomsa>
i guess i just didn't realize macOS was this bad
<thomsa>
i know not with asahi
<thomsa>
but then the next question is: is it even worth it to make anything for macOS+applesilicon, if it can only ever be used in apple's closed ecosystem?
<leio>
if I had to use it, I'd look at some alternative UI stuff; a colleague mentioned https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai - but this is become #asahi-offtopic territory :)
<thomsa>
ok, onto asahi-offtopic then lol
<kidplayer666>
god dammit lol
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<devraza>
This is channel Asahi Linux?
<j`ey>
yep
<devraza>
Cool
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<kaazoo>
j'ey: speaker support on j414 is working for me now. I was missing an update of m1n1 to update bundled device tree files.
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<j`ey>
kaazoo: ah nice
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<pitust>
i'm looking for RE'd hardware docs, since asahi is supposedly clean room RE (and thus, the docs should be available, right? ...)
<pitust>
(for the m1 mostly)
<pitust>
and also, is there some way to make the installer create a second bootable container that will boot into a different copy of m1n1?
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<pitust>
specifically, looking for docs, ADT stuff, keyboard/applespi stuff, touchbar stuff and smp stuff
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<nicolas17>
pitust: it's not necessarily clean room in the sense of "one person RE's Apple's code and writes docs, another person looks at docs and implements Linux driver"
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<nicolas17>
in many cases *nobody* looks at Apple code :)
<pitust>
i see
<nicolas17>
you can run macOS under a hypervisor that traces access to certain hardware and then guess the behavior