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<RoundDuckKira>
hey is it safe to delete the Mac OS install on the internal drive after using a thunderbolt drive to install Mac OS to it
<RoundDuckKira>
I tried to install Asahi but the installer doesn't know that I do have Mac OS
<RoundDuckKira>
just externally
<RoundDuckKira>
the internal deletion went well except for asahi going "wat"
<nicolas17>
yeah I don't think what you're doing has been tested before :P
<RoundDuckKira>
well as is I can't use Asahi Linux
<RoundDuckKira>
my storage is too smol
<RoundDuckKira>
curse you Apple and your 250GB SSDs on base models and $200 to get another 250GB
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<capta1nt0ad>
RoundDuckKira: Maybe I just don't do much but I have a 512GB SSD which I (perhaps quite stupidly) only partitioned out 128GB to Asahi on, then proceeded to use Asahi for a year and a half and only using half of my allocated storage
<RoundDuckKira>
and yeah toad it depends on usage but in my case I simply installed a few flatpaks, made OCD videos to make sure my things were working, and I wanted to a few times compile Linux and all of that led to it being too much for 50 gigs and had only 50GB in total
<capta1nt0ad>
I think System Recovery requires you to have a machine owner
<capta1nt0ad>
step2.sh might not be possible without macOS
<RoundDuckKira>
what's weird is there is a machine owner
<capta1nt0ad>
I really don't know how the machine owner works
<RoundDuckKira>
it just doesn't have all its presence, the original OS, in the main SSD
<capta1nt0ad>
I need to delete my original macOS user because I broke it with too much ricing
<RoundDuckKira>
just an external one
<lactose>
RoundDuckKira: You could try reinstalling MacOS on the primary drive and then remove it after you install Asahi Linux, though the problem will come back to bite you if you ever want to install something else haha
<RoundDuckKira>
so much for my idea of getting Void on the MAc
<capta1nt0ad>
can idevicerestore do a DFU 'revive'? just wondering in case of future reference
<RoundDuckKira>
it can from the git version
<capta1nt0ad>
rihgt
<nicolas17>
you can also keep macOS installed on the primary drive but shrink the data volume significantly
<nicolas17>
GarageBand is bigger than it seems for example :P
<capta1nt0ad>
yeah you could try deleting everything you can and then using the max (or min? don't remember) option in the installer
<nicolas17>
and there's sneaky things
<capta1nt0ad>
I know that deleting some apps doesn't do anything
<capta1nt0ad>
Safari.app for example (take that Windows)
<nicolas17>
I think if you remove GarageBand, the "GarageBand audio loop library" is still in /Library
<capta1nt0ad>
you can delete it from the Manage Storage screen
<capta1nt0ad>
but not sure where it is since Ventura
<RoundDuckKira>
yea it's just that the last tiem I did this, macOS took half the drive already and then when shrinking it only gave me 50 gigs for Linux
<nicolas17>
yes, you can, but it's non-obvious that you even have to
<RoundDuckKira>
so maybe 100 gigs at best?
<RoundDuckKira>
for Linux
<capta1nt0ad>
nah you can get more than that surely
<RoundDuckKira>
i hope so
<capta1nt0ad>
if you don't do much macOS doesn't get too big
<RoundDuckKira>
it's not really the OS but APFS
<RoundDuckKira>
APFS limited shrinking so much
<capta1nt0ad>
it did
<RoundDuckKira>
okay I guess I'll just install Mac OS and go through all the rituals and be back tomorrow or when shit breaks
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<tpw_rules>
didn't delete the snapshots
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<kidplayer666>
i wonder how much power theses speakers actually consume under a full load
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<chadmed>
probably not a lot. the amp chips are 13 W at full bore but their output power is limited to lower than that
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<kidplayer666>
i mean, for a laptop where the Soc uses maybe 10-15 W at most, it is quite a bit
<kidplayer666>
(M1 13" "Pro" here")
<janneg>
it would be 13W (I remember higher number from the specs) per speaker btw but you would evaporate the speakers if that much power would be used
<janneg>
TAS2770 (used in the M1 devices except imac) has 20W max output power
<sven>
even inefficient speakers are something like 85 dB at 1m with 1W. that's already fairly loud
<chadmed>
yeah, we get ~90 dB peak on j314 so these things are barely even 2 W apiece
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<kidplayer666>
oh fun. so a total of 4W, is that it?
<kidplayer666>
Still quite a bit given that my usual consumption during "office" work is around 4W
<chadmed>
keep in mind that the power numbers for most consumer-grade speakers are bs too, so folks are already starting with a warped perception of the relationship between power and volume
<chadmed>
kidplayer666: who is really listening to music all day at 100% volume though
<kidplayer666>
that is true. although i am currently listening to music at 50% volume while studying so....
<chadmed>
the relationship is logarithmic. 50% "volume" is not 50% power
<kidplayer666>
still, KDE believes the total battery to last for around 11 hours (currently at 54% and it thinks it will last 6 hours)
<kidplayer666>
yes i know, i know.... human ears are weird
<chadmed>
the power draw of the audio subsystem is entirely meaningless for daily use
<kidplayer666>
so maybe an extra watt of power consumption tops?
<j`ey>
it's crazy how it's even usuably at like 20% (if youre in a decently quiet place)
<chadmed>
youre welcome :)
<kidplayer666>
and it's crazy how loud they get too
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<j`ey>
chadmed: my old air, I have to have the speakers at 100%, and still some videos can be quiet......
<kidplayer666>
I am currently on KDE and there is this very easy and convenient toggle to go to 150% (although i suspect that it is less than that at times, maybe speakersafetyd kicking in?)
<chadmed>
no one has really cared to do anything about it until now. most of the still-useable intel macs rely on crap out of tree kernel modules to make speakers work and even then, "work" means shit output on two woofers with no safety or dsp to speak of
<chadmed>
please do not use the volume boost on kde
<j`ey>
(I meant on macOS btw)
<chadmed>
i wish we had a way to force disable that far out
<chadmed>
because youre just going to hit against the compressor, limiter and speakersafetyd
<chadmed>
its a waste of your time
<chadmed>
it will actively degrade the audio quality in exchange for a minor increase in perceived loudness
<kidplayer666>
yes, i did realise that, especially when the audio starts also getting distorted due to some horrible EQ I've done :P
<PaulFertser>
Sometimes the source sound is really quiet, then "150 %" might make sense and doesn't distort.
<kidplayer666>
indeed. altough it may be more productive to eq on a per app basis in that situation
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<PaulFertser>
In "mpv" you already have software volume control allowing up to 130 % iirc. And it doesn't seem to be harmful and worth disabling (as a reasonable person won't be using it with proper source anyway, but with some rare broken source why not have a way to quickly raise it).
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<matthewcroughan_>
Is there a rebase on 6.7 in the works? I can't wait to try bcachefs on the M1 :D
<j`ey>
matthewcroughan_: I think that's only going to happen once fedora itself moves to 6.7
<j`ey>
and that happens after a few stable 6.7.x releases it seems
<matthewcroughan_>
Oh that shouldn't take too long then, I can wait
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<ydalton>
MAME crashes with SIGILL, can anyone reproduce?
<ydalton>
i suspect it's that bti thing again but i haven't checked
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<ydalton>
yes, booting with "arm64.nobti" fixes it, i will file an issue
<ydalton>
should i go to the redhat bugzilla or upstream?
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<ayke>
I'm having trouble with a 10G USB port (actually, USB hub built into my monitor, but I had similar issues with a 5G USB hub). In many cases, it doesn't find all the connected devices - I have to pull it out and plug in several times before it finally finds the whole USB device tree. Is this a known issue?
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<ayke>
Often it finds just a few devices, or sometimes even none at all.
<ydalton>
interesting but that looks like it just gets stuck
<ydalton>
maybe i should reproduce the issue with the latest version compiled by myself
<j`ey>
ydalton: get a backtrace, might point out where the issue is
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<maz>
j`ey: didn't we come to the conclusion that BTI was more or less busted with GCC?
<maz>
it's been disabled in the kernel for a bit now, if memory serves well.
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<null>
maz: that particular issue got fixed (by virtue of delegating the issue to the linker), we *could* go enable it in the kernel now, modulo this new issue
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<ydalton>
that's an external function i presume
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<maz>
j`ey: well, if your branches in userspace are over 128MB away from each other, this is likely to break if using GCC and/or LD (see the ticket null posted).
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<j`ey>
could be the same issue for MAME, but I wouldn't expect the MAME binary to be that big
<j`ey>
ydalton: yes that's part of libstdc++ if im not mistaken
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<maz>
j`ey: it doesn't have to be a very large binary. you just need the various sections to be far away in the VA space.
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<j`ey>
ah VA sized
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