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<maz>
as400: as j`ey said, without EL2 being available, that's another QC turd I'm happy to ignore. Given that the lack of EL2 was a "feature" on previous versions of the QC-based devices, I'm not optimistic (/me looks at the Lenovo C630...)
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* leio
doesn't know what EL2 existence or non-existence means in practice
<j`ey>
leio: no KVM
<j`ey>
(without EL2)
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<sven>
For some of qc‘s chips it also means their weird hypervisor running in el2 instead
<as400>
I guess for most of people no kvm is like dumb ?
<leio>
what's the best way to have a secondary desktop testing system anyhow with kvm and co these days?
<leio>
(think testing a gnome alpha version packaging without messing with main system and preferably not an full alternative install)
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<j`ey>
as400: ma z is the KVM maintainer, so kinda needs it :P
<ar>
leio: probably an ampere altra devkit if you need it to be arm
<leio>
on top of my existing Mac Studio.
<as400>
j`ey: yes, I can imagine it can be like useful for him :P
<as400>
What I'm just saying is that almost all people use virtualization nowadays. Even non technical ones.
<as400>
So why would you release a products like qcom does and call it "elite" not having basic features ?
<ar>
as400: non-tech people use VMs? i've yet to see that myself
<ar>
win11 has the vm-based sandbox feature, but even that isn't something people tend to use on their own
<as400>
ar: I think so, yes. I've seen such people with my own eyes.
<ar>
as400: any examples on how they use it?
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<as400>
ar: for instance, one of my friends wanted to try Linux. So he created a VM for this.
<as400>
That's just first thing that comes to my mind.
<ar>
and what makes them non-tech?
<as400>
I understand tech people being tech by working in it industry.
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<ar>
that's… a very narrow definition
<as400>
Might be. But going back to qcom "elite" products. I bet computer vendors will not advertise "no virtual machines" as a feature :P
<as400>
They will not even mention that in their materials.
<kidplayer666>
my bet regarding the qualcom elite is that the whole linux support ordeal is for chromebooks
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<j`ey>
as400: You can use VMs.. with their gunyha hypervisor
<j`ey>
(although that's not upstream yet)
<j`ey>
leio: best way is to just.. create a disk image and run qemu!
<leio>
running in an nspawn with graphics working would feel ideal to me, but I'm not sure it would test properly
<leio>
or how to make it have access to graphics properly
<leio>
I'm getting offtopic though
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<helene>
hi! i've installed asahi recently (the GNOME version, I tried the KDE one but KDE doesn't work out for me sadly, even though the support is better...); I randomly get watchdog errors on boot (meaning, it doesn't boot) for some hard cpu lockups (the CPU is seemingly random); I'm on a M1 MBAir, is this a known issue?
<helene>
also, wrt/ non-tech people using hypervisors: i've seen non-tech (by my definition of "what is a linux" non-tech) use hypervisors unknowingly, by using Windows' WSA or BlueStacks (or alike) to run Android apps and games on their desktops
<PaulFertser>
helene: do you have log or at least a photo of those CPU lockups?
<helene>
i do wonder if that would be in journalctl, let me check; otherwise i'll try to reproduce it
<PaulFertser>
helene: are you running Fedora or ALARM? Also, was it stable with "KDE version"?
<helene>
Fedora, GNOME, freshly installed (and with updates installed), no changes from the Asahi installer. I'd presume that's stable
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<helene>
so i checked journalctl: no logs; removed quiet from kargs, tried reproducing it: i couldn't manage to reproduce it, but i hit another bug causing the boot to halt and eventually restart the laptop by itself after a few minutes, and it occurs during plymouth
<helene>
and i can't seem to hide plymouth by pressing some keys
<j`ey>
helene: fyi I haven't heard anyone have similar issues
<j`ey>
helene: esc should show stuff, or plymouth=0 / remove rhgb from command line
<helene>
i just have that kind of luck
<helene>
well, i'm gonna hope the bug doesn't occur only when plymouth is there or when kernel is quiet
<j`ey>
btw you said it rebooted aftew a few minutes.. it shouldnt still be in plymouth at that point..?
<helene>
well, plymouth is still on screen by the time it self-reboots
<helene>
(and the reboot is made clear by the Apple chime)
<helene>
so far, haven't been able to reproduce it yet with plymouth disabled
<j`ey>
helene: I mean if it actually is minutes, that means something probably crashed and plymouth was just sat there
<helene>
most likely, yeah; i'd like to figure out what, but i fear i might not be {,ca}pable of that
<j`ey>
helene: how often was it happening before? can you repro again with plymouth enabled?
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<Facepunch01>
I truly couldn't find this, but is there anyway to enable deep sleep on Fedora yet
<j`ey>
if by deep sleep you mean to disk, no
<j`ey>
only sleep is s2idle (aka kernel still runs, but not userspace)
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<Facepunch01>
Yeah I mean deep CPU idle like in /sys/power/mem_sleep I don't know the real term for it
<helene>
j`ey: just before disabling plymouth it did it around 4-5 times in a row
<j`ey>
Facepunch01: then yeah, not supported yet
<j`ey>
if you know youre going to leave it unattended for a long time, best to turn it off
<j`ey>
assuming that s2idle does this.. being able to offline CPUs would help (but we cant do that yet either)
<helene>
welp, can't reproduce again even with all flags restored
<helene>
sorry about all that :(
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<helene>
thank you for your time nevertheless; i'm sure the softlock will happen again, but it seems like it'd be a pain to get more than one bit of information out of those; and since i'm the only one suffering from those, might be something wrong with my hardware. hopefully no one else has that issue, as that one looks annoying. thank you!
<j`ey>
helene: do let us know, maybe leave plymouth disabled for now, so if it does happen maybe you can see some output
<helene>
will do so!
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<Skyrix_>
Hi everyone! I'd really like starting contributing to this project, i haven't really contributed to anything before so i'd really like to know how i could start. Any suggestions?
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<kidplayer666>
I think this is usuallly the resource that is pointed out regarding that
<checkfoc_us>
hi all o/ whre best to ask about vdmtool? hit a roadblock
<PaulFertser>
Ask first, then you can re-ask if a better place is found :)
<checkfoc_us>
Fair. I'm trying to hook up to my power delivery breakout but I have rev2 and cannot find schematics for pin matching. There are confusingly extra pins that I can't work out if thats the reason I'm not getting a successful handshake? Serial output works. Polls. Connects and detects polarity but repeats on >SOURCE_CAP.
<checkfoc_us>
for eg there are 2 vdd pins and 3 ground pins
<PaulFertser>
checkfoc_us: 2 VPU → Arduino 3V3 <-- this is called V_PULLUP on Reclaimer schematics
<checkfoc_us>
But on this board I have VPU breakout
<PaulFertser>
checkfoc_us: no idea what ioref is and why you would use it as a 3V3 source, usually arduino boards have a 3.3 V LDO, get it from that output.
<checkfoc_us>
So i connected VPU to 3v3
<PaulFertser>
I wonder what kind of arduino is meant there. Clearly there're AVR-based which run on 5 V and use 0/5 V signalling for GPIO, and there're other boards that are also called "arduino" but use 3.3 V main voltage.
<janneg>
checkfoc_us: is your target device a laptop? if yes try connecting a charger
<checkfoc_us>
target device is anything I can get to succeed proof of concept (learning)
<checkfoc_us>
will try a charger but wanted to avoid true AC near my projects hah
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<janneg>
checkfoc_us: I'm assuming you're trying tyo connect to an apple silicon device
<checkfoc_us>
not always I have tried non apple silicon. eventually it would be nice to debrick my m1 (don't ask) but thats a long term goal of this warpath hah
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<PaulFertser>
checkfoc_us: I suggest you pastebin your example session with some comments. Guess if it polls and detects polarity properly then I2C communication with FUSB is working...
<janneg>
that can be troublesome if the devices tries to charge from rthe connected VBUS
<j`ey>
checkfoc_us: you should be able to do DFU with just a normal usb c cable
<checkfoc_us>
its worse than that j`ey. some overzealous drunk command line partition removal in a haste to give the younger sis a laptop whilst visiting.... whoops
<checkfoc_us>
PaulFertser will do. i was confused because it got far enough to detect polarity so somethings almost there and i2c is def hooked up right if its as basic as scl sda grd
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<j`ey>
I thought you could DFU even with a fully wiped nvme?
<checkfoc_us>
i've tried everything under the sun on that route. I do have logs for that but a little concerned about sharing them and the folks worth looking at it shouldn't waste their time
<PaulFertser>
checkfoc_us: were you using idevicerestore or another Mac?
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<checkfoc_us>
it won't even make it to internet recovery. tried another mac. tried apple config, tried finder way (best way to get logs) and tried imazing hopeful way
<checkfoc_us>
it bootloops right at DFU load
<PaulFertser>
That's all not related to custom VDM commands anyway, right?
<checkfoc_us>
not at all, but on that topic hooking up all pins correctly still results in same loop at SOURCE_CAP https://pastebin.com/WCxz58Mz
<janneg>
what is your main goal? getting vdmtool to work or restoring the device? The second is possible without the former. are you getting it into the right dfu mode via the documented sequence? The screen should be black. timing can be a little tricky to get right
<checkfoc_us>
two are entirely different janneg. I am heavily sinking into hardware reverse engineering so my main goal is learning. It would be nice one day to debrick the poor laptop, but it's not relevant to this outside of being a carrot
<checkfoc_us>
lots of exp with dfu mode headaches/gang signs to get the right key sequence and timing etc. I spent half a day on 'timing' alone
<janneg>
I see https://paste.debian.net/1304454/ looping if I try to use it while the m2 macbook pro 13-inch is not connected to a charger
<checkfoc_us>
i am sending from a linux pc -- should it matter? outside of supply enough voltage to uno?
<janneg>
this is with CS so slightly different code but I saw the same with arduino + reclaimer board
<checkfoc_us>
and my error is actually SOURCE_CAP loops, nothing else
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<checkfoc_us>
i do not know the protocol enough is there data pins for vbus? on this breakout from reclaimer there's a separate vbus/grd pins this is the rev
<janneg>
this is USB VBUS i.e. +5V. it's the top middle pin of the 2x3 pin block
<checkfoc_us>
and pls confirm i don't have to power seperately with the micro usb? trying w/ the 2x3 block pins
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<checkfoc_us>
janneg this is exactly it - thank you. job done. I was using vbus_a and not vbus (5v to uno pin 4) thank you very kindly and thank you PaulFertser
<janneg>
VBUS of the micro usb connector is only connected to the VBUS_A
<checkfoc_us>
Perfect. Appreciate you
<checkfoc_us>
lesson for me is lack of accurate schematics make blind poking harder and learning more arduous. arduino...arduous
<checkfoc_us>
PaulFertser you are right - now I understand its purpose and where I've gone wrong the schematics make more sense to me. I couldn't parse correctly to begin. Learning fast
<checkfoc_us>
janneg thank you! This really is fascinating. It's all coming together for me slowly but surely. appreciate all the massive hard work from everyone this is a goldmine of information
<checkfoc_us>
and help
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