marcan changed the topic of #asahi to: Asahi Linux: porting Linux to Apple Silicon macs | "Does XXX work yet?": https://alx.sh/fs | GitHub: https://alx.sh/g | Wiki: https://alx.sh/w | Topics: #asahi-dev #asahi-re #asahi-gpu #asahi-alt #asahi-stream #asahi-offtopic | Keep things on topic | Logs: https://alx.sh/l/asahi
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<c10l>
I have a botched installation on my M2 Pro (Internet issues, one of the downloads failed and re-running the install doesn't work). How can I start over? Full logs here https://c10l.pastes.sh/1704935417236152807
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<chadmed>
yes
<f02bh>
ayee okay thats great to know i connected to the right chat!, im a year computer science student and was wondering if i could contribute in any way to the asahi linux team
<chadmed>
theres a list of smaller stuff that needs to be done on the wiki
<chadmed>
thats a good place to start
<f02bh>
where is the wiki located , im very new to this chat interface took me a while to connect ;-;
<chadmed>
but beyond that basically just find a feature you want that isn't being worked on, get acquainted with the tooling, and start developing
<f02bh>
sorry i am new to this , so on the github link , what needs to be done in the wiki?
<f02bh>
is there like a post for developers to look at so they knwo what to do or something
<f02bh>
new developers *
<chadmed>
"yaks in need of shaving"
<f02bh>
thanks !
<f02bh>
this is my first time working on a project like this, my backend experience is with linux shell scripting, powershell, C and Mips, im very eager and interested in learning more abouyt this , is there a place you woiuld recommend or some languages to look at before
<f02bh>
im interested in trying to resolve the bluetooth suspend issue
<chadmed>
head over to #asahi-dev to ask specific questions about stuff like that. in general you should probably familiarise yourself with kernel development first
<chadmed>
look at the bluetooth driver make sure you understand what its doing etc
<f02bh>
thanks chadmed!
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<c10l>
tpw_rules: just to let you know, I deleted the botched installs and got it to work this time around. thanks for your help again!
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<kotleni>
Hey! Where i can send bug report of Fedora Asahi Remix?
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<j`ey>
kotleni: depends what it is exactly
<kotleni>
j`ey: gnome ui is invisible after boot, i need close my mac and open to fix this :D
<kotleni>
I have more questions) How to Asahi Lina run a steam? I see FEX not supported yet... and steam only 32 bit as i see... Do you have any information about this "magic"?
<nicolas17>
kotleni: I think there will be some more info about x86 emulation / VMs / 4k paging in the next asahi blog post, stay tuned :)
<nicolas17>
running a 4k-page kernel directly on apple silicon has many downsides
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<kidplayer666>
nicholas17: I am quite curious about how progress is going on that front to be honest. that plus the Vulkan drivers may make Macs fairly interesting for gaming.
<nicolas17>
soon:tm:
<kotleni>
Lol, Apple will license Fedora Linux instead of MacOS by 2026 :D *joke*
<kidplayer666>
kotleni: the year of the linux desktop tm
<nicolas17>
I read that Apple switched from Windows to Linux for hardware design :D but I think they remote-desktop into Linux servers, they don't run it on Macs
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<kidplayer666>
ofc not, they don't even make the drivers for Linux, totally unusable without them
<ar>
nicolas17: anything you read like that you can most probably disregard; apple is very secretive about how they do stuff
<kotleni>
j`ed: i have a problems with tutorial in your link, so sad
<kidplayer666>
If they don't make the drivers, who would even bother or be crazy enough to try to make them on linux
<kotleni>
but ok
<kidplayer666>
ar: a bit like North Korea :P
<j`ey>
kotleni: I think it may not work on GNOME..
<sven>
we know that they have an internal Linux port for early hardware validation
<nicolas17>
kidplayer666: oh they probably do have in-house builds of Linux for their own hardware, it's very useful for-- yeah that
<kotleni>
j`ey: maybe yes, don't matter
<kotleni>
in concept, linux can support multi-page-size support?
<j`ey>
conceptually.. maybe?
<ar>
there's some circumstantial evidence that apple uses linux for hardware testing/prototyping in early stages, but probably not much beyond that
<kotleni>
but... how to windows emulate arm32 lol? just stupid emulation?
<kidplayer666>
nicholas17: i think we figured how the asahi project actually works. The team is actually a bunch of world class thieves who invade apple headquarters to steal the hidden drivers lol
<nicolas17>
kotleni: why arm32?
<kotleni>
ar: it's big joke?
<kotleni>
nicolas17: oh sorry, x86*
<sven>
their drivers are likely an un-upstreamable mess for some >3 year old kernel because it probably doesn’t make sense to spend much engineering time on that ;)
<nicolas17>
yeah I'd expect even uglier hacks than corellium's :D
<ar>
sven: as is typical in embedded even with manufacturers that do intend to ship linux/android on their devices ;)
<sven>
yup
<nicolas17>
there's also evidence of an internal XNU port to Raspberry Pi (3?)
<kidplayer666>
wait what
<kidplayer666>
that would be kind of fun
<kidplayer666>
the "85€" Mac
<nicolas17>
as fun as using the m1n1 console I bet :P
<nicolas17>
who knows if it even supports graphics output
<kidplayer666>
fair enough
<kidplayer666>
but would be fun for a full port to exist
<nicolas17>
also you see those empty lines between 80 and 92?
<nicolas17>
that's likely a few ifdef'd blocks that got redacted, and left blank lines behind
<j`ey>
secrets :o
<nicolas17>
IIRC visionOS was once leaked because they had commented out an ifdef-like block for it in a makefile, and then the redaction tool didn't recognize it as an ifdef and didn't remove it :D
<kidplayer666>
j`ey: the drivers for the raspberry pi are hidden in there
<kidplayer666>
nicholas17: remember that time that microsoft forgot to properly redact court documents and so it became public knowledge that next year there should be an iteration of xbox. a "pro" version
<kidplayer666>
and that microsoft had thoughts of acquiring valve and nintendo
<nicolas17>
legal discovery often ends up leaking fun info even with redaction
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<j`ey>
kotleni: weird
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<kotleni>
hey! Now, i detected one think... my fedora asahi remix use llvmpipe mesa drivers. in quake i have low fps and in "driver info" i see "mesa llvm 17.0.5"... It's okay? I think, fedora from box have drivers for GPU?
<j`ey>
kotleni: is quake in a flatpak or something?
<kotleni>
j`ey: yees, but it's from "fedora linux asahi remix" flatpack (registry.fedoraproject.org)
<j`ey>
that's why
<j`ey>
flatpak's dont have the right GPU drivers
<j`ey>
that registry is just the normal fedora one
<kotleni>
j`ey: omg, really
<kotleni>
thanks
<kidplayer666>
You gotta use rpms… flatpaks all use the wrong mesa afaik
<j`ey>
or build that mesa asahi flatpak thing that has no real instructions yet :P
<kidplayer666>
j`ey: how bout no. lol
<kotleni>
kidplayer666: yees, i already installed not from flatpack) works good!
<kidplayer666>
Yay
<kidplayer666>
Good stuff. Had the exact same issue with minecraft (prism launcher)