<OscarL>
morning Begasus[m]. Was just a silly attempt to joke on my part. Their nick is new to me too.
<Begasus[m]>
gathered that :)
<OscarL>
not on the right mood for anything productive here... so I just ended up confirming the values BeOS used for its default (hardware) beep. 880 Hz, 50 ms duration.
<OscarL>
Added a small text file on my pc_beeper repo with that "analisys", lol.
* phschafft
gets in an jecks for nephele, finds him not present. puhh-s, then proceeds with refilling the cookie bowl and offering every one each a cookie.
<Begasus[m]>
g'mornign and thanks Mr. phschafft :)
<OscarL>
Yesterday managed to finally hook up Firefox to yt-dlp (via the "runwith" extension). Now I can just right click a link, and send that to yt-dlp for download in my prefered ultra-potato quality. PITA to setup on Win, but should be easier to do in Haiku with IceWeasel.
<Begasus[m]>
check once use everywhere? ;)
<OscarL>
Being able to call external scripts/programs from a given link/selection in a browser is nice.
<OscarL>
(Might open a feature request for Web+ about it :-D)
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<Begasus[m]>
gotta love those BSD licenses, most mention their copyright owners :)
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<Anarchos>
Hello
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<Anarchos>
hello
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<Begasus>
hi Anarchos
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<Begasus>
hmm ... after updating the 32bit qemu image it falls back into a loop?
<OscarL>
Managed to play the "opening bars of Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor" via my /dev/misc/pc_beeper driver! Got a PANIC at the end, though :-D
<OscarL>
crashed so hard that I had to kill the vm, lol.
<Begasus[m]>
lol
<Anarchos>
Begasus[m]: i got a really long and explanation message from waddlesplash on my pull request :)
<Anarchos>
Begasus[m]: and PulkoMandy accepted all my code on my other pull request for netboot
<Begasus[m]>
progress? Anarchos
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<Begasus[m]>
ok, trying to install gcc/gcc_x86 wants to update hrev on that 32bit base image :/
<Begasus[m]>
is there a way to update to a specific hrev? (as last one didn't succeed)
<Begasus[m]>
oh well, might as well launch 32bit on the other laptop for this ...
<Anarchos>
Begasus[m]: not sure : waddlespash realized maybe i was sent on the wrong way
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* OscarL
got a second panic, this time after just the first note. Time to call it quits for today :-D
<OscarL>
See you around folks. Have a nice day!
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<Begasus[m]>
k, 32bit qemu image up and good again for basic things :)
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<nekobot>
• jmairboeck (51adea81): ShellScriptlets: better support for PACKAGE_NAME and PACKAGE_VERSION in getPackagePrefix…
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<Anarchos>
waddlesplash i saw your long answer on my PR 8705. I have some precision to give , but i feel the discussion on the PR is not the best way to discuss. Do you prefer me to talk on discuss.haiku, on the dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3545, or on the PR again ?
<waddlesplash>
the forums aren't the right place for such technical discussions
<Anarchos>
ok. Cause i agree to your arguments, but i think also that some parts of my devs can be kept (especially the issue of the wrong instruction in bootman.S !)
<waddlesplash>
oh, yes, I suspect so
<waddlesplash>
it's just that passing the BIOS IDs to the kernel and then using them in the app is useless
<waddlesplash>
so that will all need to be rewritten
<waddlesplash>
unfortunately
<Anarchos>
waddlesplash and maybe you miss the boot_drive_id=0 which is replaced by bootman.S at runtime
<waddlesplash>
it doesn't matter
<waddlesplash>
if the drive ID mapping can change on different boots, then we can't store that
<waddlesplash>
we have no guarantee that secondary HDDs will have IDs relative to the boot drive ID
<Anarchos>
waddlesplash well it was not useless if bootmanager is launched from the boot disk, to give access to other bootable paritions on other disks. But not usable in case of installation by an USB key you unplug to boot on the disk.
<nekobot>
• jmairboeck (e94441ae): ShellScriptlets: remove the packageFullVersionedName variant from getPackagePrefix…
<waddlesplash>
Anarchos: No, I mean that other disks might have *different IDs* on different
<waddlesplash>
boots
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<waddlesplash>
Suppose the BIOS assigns IDs starting at 0, enumerating first over USB HDDs, then SATA
<Anarchos>
waddlesplash from what i understand boot drive id attributed by BIOS change only if you boot on another media (cause this media will be attribute 0x00 for a floppy or 0x80 for a hdd/usb)
<waddlesplash>
if there are no USB HDDs, then SATA Disk 0 gets ID 0
<waddlesplash>
but if there is a USB HDD, then it gets ID 0 and Sata DISK 0 gets ID 1
<waddlesplash>
now, does any BIOS do this? I don't know, but, does anything prevent it either?
<Anarchos>
yes. I guess that's why GRUB uses UUID store on disk label
<waddlesplash>
right
<Anarchos>
waddlesplash it can't be prevent cause everybios assign 0x00/0x80 to the booted media, whatever it may be if you choose to boot from hdd/usb/CDROM/...
<Anarchos>
(0x00 for floppy)
<waddlesplash>
but what if you have a non-bootable USB HDD inserted
<waddlesplash>
then bootman will still start as normal
<Anarchos>
and bios have never been standardized
<waddlesplash>
but the IDs will be all wrong
<Anarchos>
i did the test myself 5 minutes ago :
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<Anarchos>
i used my usb key to install bootman on my HDD0 to boot from HDD0/HAIKU, HDD0/Linux, HDD1/WINDOWS. As i said in BootManager to install on HDD0, the HAIKU and linux partition have been assigned 00 as bios drive id, and then the bootman.S trick replaces it with 0x80 which is the booted HDD. So haiku and linux worked fine. BUUUUT the bios drive id, seen by Bootmanager WHEN RUN ON THE USB KEY was wrong when booted from HDD1 indeed.
<Anarchos>
the trick could be to relaunch BootMAnager from HDD0 , which i can't cause my devs is not merged in nightly, so not available on my HDD0. Or we could imagine to run a script at boot time to correct that.... But i find your solution to rework the process is of course cleaner.
* Anarchos
hopes his explanations are clear
<waddlesplash>
I think I get most of it
<zdykstra>
this is a channel that might know, are most connectors on PCI(e) wifi cards RP-SMA ?
<Anarchos>
waddlesplash that explains how BootManager only explores partitions on the disk it will be installed to.
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<Anarchos>
waddlesplash oh and x512 asked me also to look at the case when you install the boot manager on a disk, and then put the disk in another computer....
<Anarchos>
and the work to discover the bios drive ids at boot time is not useless, cause it is used by the 'driveinfo' command too, not only by BootManager.
<waddlesplash>
the "driveinfo" command should probably just not fetch that info
<Anarchos>
waddlesplash for adventurous players who want to add partitions to boot menus by hand, it can bee handy :). So you think that hte implementation i did of the ioctl B_GET_BIOS_DRIVE_ID is totally useless ?
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<waddlesplash>
Anarchos: but the point is, the boot menus should not store drive IDs anywhere
<waddlesplash>
on disk that is
<waddlesplash>
instead, we should always just figure them out "at boot time"
<Anarchos>
i am not versed enough to devise a good solution. Or we will end with a grub-like tool which is way beyond the ticket i "solved" :(
<waddlesplash>
I proposed a solution already
<waddlesplash>
BootManager right now stores data on what drives to present in the menu with it, right?
<waddlesplash>
Instead of storing this data on one drive with the menu, we spread it out over all drives with bootable partitions
<waddlesplash>
Then when bootmanager starts, it checks other available drives, and looks for the bootman menu entries on them
<Anarchos>
how will bootmanager spreads data on other drives with win/linux bootable partitions ?
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<waddlesplash>
we'd have to install bootmanager on multiple drives, and with it the data
<waddlesplash>
and then it can "recognize itself" and just load the data
<waddlesplash>
anyway I need to head out
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<Anarchos>
waddlesplash no trouble , i will answer on the PR.
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<Anarchos>
hello
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<Anarchos>
anybody up there ?
<phschafft>
hm.
<Anarchos>
phschafft i had a really interesting discussion about the boot loader with waddlesplas :)
<phschafft>
oh?
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<AlienSoldier>
gmail is no longer working in falkon for me as of today (still work in web+ but for how long). Any news on firefox variant for 32 bit haiku systems?
<AlienSoldier>
for the record, gmail in falkon show the progress bar of google workspace, then once it reach the end, it reload the page and is stuck at the end. The gmail interface never appear. I am logged in that said because google finance work with my portfolio and all.
<AlienSoldier>
kinf of suck having to always have 2 browser open at the same time.
<AlienSoldier>
*kind
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