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<Viking668> Good morftervening all. Quick question about the initial Vision dialog. How on earth can it be used purely with a keyboard, and not demand a mouse?
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<Viking668> welcome along
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* Begasus[m] sees OscarL mention from XOSL, man .. long time ago :)
<Begasus[m]> g'morning peeps
<Viking667> gidday
<Begasus[m]> Hi there Viking667
<Viking668> Begasus: with the initial Vision dialogue, how do I navigate past the "Choose Network" dropdown with only the keyboard?
<Viking668> Ouch. "Revert" undoes every colour selection I made, not just the one I wanted to undo.
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<Begasus[m]> not sure if it's possible to navigate with the keyboard in Vision Viking667
<Viking668> I've also noticed there's no way to change the default path for DCC downloads/uploads.
<Begasus[m]> never got that to work here either :)
<Begasus[m]> I guess you could check HaikuArchives repo if there is a issue for it?
<Viking668> Nope, didn't see a relevant issue there. And I don't envy the job of looking through the repo source code.
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<nekobot> [haikuwebkit] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to branch haiku: https://github.com/haiku/haikuwebkit/compare/f1767794d7ac...81c186bd555e
<nekobot> • lonemadmax (81c186bd): FileSystemPOSIX: return temp dir in subsequent calls
<nekobot> [haikuwebkit] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to branch haiku: https://github.com/haiku/haikuwebkit/compare/81c186bd555e...482f33e3c4bd
<nekobot> • lonemadmax (482f33e3): ComplexTextController: check NULL…
<Begasus[m]> I don't think there has been much activity there anyway Viking667 (at least didn't see any real updates)
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<Viking668> From what I've seen, the whole app uses a message passing system, though I'm not sure if M_DEFAULT_PATH_CHANGED ever gets used after its definition.
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<Viking668> yo
<Viking668> And yes, commits seem sporadic at best.
<Viking668> Interestingly, there's no M_DEFAULT_PATH even defined, unless it's buried away in the includes somewhere.
<Viking668> nope, not in there either. Huh.
<Viking668> brb, something's pegging a CPU core here
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<Viking668> hm. So WebPositive has a habit of pegging a CPU core (or two) and not properly quitting. Darn.
<Begasus[m]> Viking667: it does that (mainly on github) :/
<Begasus[m]> you can nuke it with PC in the Deskbar's systray(*)
<Viking668> Why does the js send WP batty?
<Begasus[m]> that's one for PulkoMandy or nephele or zardshard or ... :)
<Viking668> I'm guessing they're some of the developers?
<Begasus[m]> main ones the do the work on WebPositive and webkit yes
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<Viking668> And there's no settings in the WebPositive interface to disable the javascript engine. Is there an equivalent to chrome://settings or the firefox equivalent?
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<Begasus[m]> no idea
<Viking668> Wanna know a funny thing?
<Begasus[m]> biab :)
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<pol> Depends on the site if it will work, but fixproxy from fixbrowser can be used in WebPositive to de-JavaScript pages.
<Begasus[m]> re
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<nekobot> • Peppersawce (f0206e01): Doom source ports + Data packages (#12084)…
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/721d4d8a47b7...f0206e019135
<Viking667> Is that all 36 levels, or just the initial 9 shareware levels?
<Viking667> ...or purely the data associated with the launchers, as opposed to the game itself?
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<Viking667> No doubt I'll catch up another time. I'm off for now - good morftervenight everyone.
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<Begasus[m]> Viking667: lot's of changes there
<Begasus[m]> cya later vicuna
<Begasus[m]> err ... Viking667 * :)
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f0206e019135...5c8ae229b374
<nekobot> • Begasus (5c8ae229): game_music_emu, bump to version 0.6.4, drop gcc2 patchset (#12124)
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<Begasus[m]> lol, that must have been the fasted merged upstream PR :)
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5c8ae229b374...62907cb9008e
<nekobot> • Begasus (62907cb9): game_music_emu, forgot patchset on previous PR (#12128)
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<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/62907cb9008e...56946bb4b64c
<nekobot> • OscarL (56946bb4): python3.9: update to version 3.9.22. (#12126)
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev58806] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=150e1c88e224+%5E58a2e3685782
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 150e1c88e224 - bus_managers/pci: allow x86 systems to use VirtualBusMap
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 9c84d9aaebd5 - mimedb: add flattened BMessage type
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 2dadc7bc29ca - StyledEdit: disallow most "control chars".
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/56946bb4b64c...075ecb128771
<nekobot> • Begasus (075ecb12): abaddon, bump *version* to git commit (#12129)…
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<Begasus[m]> Hola OscarL
<OscarL> Buen día Begasus[m] :-)
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<nephele> hi phschafft, i guess i am available now or tommorow :)
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<OscarL> that python crash thing... out of my league. Seems related to changes in either wide-char support, and/or string to number conversion funtions in libroot. but that's as far as I go :-)
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<Begasus[m]> maybe nephele knows OscarL :)
<nephele> why would I know anything Begasus[m] :o
<Begasus[m]> you're the real "one" nephele ;)
<nephele> I hope that's not a babylon 5 joke
<Begasus[m]> no clue about babylon, only know some of the Haiku devs :D
<Begasus[m]> k, apache still crashing on conftest when running configure, don't think buildmasters can handle that :/
<nephele> I'm not sure what crash you are talking about, in any case
<Begasus[m]> the one for pip -> OscarL
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<OscarL> a Python related crash that several users have been reported (only happens on nightlies).
<Begasus[m]> mentioned at the forum
<nephele> I've not seen any crashed on the forum?
<OscarL> I have already tagged waddlesplash on both a forum post, and on the HaikuPorts issue. Will wait for his input... maybe it need a Trac ticket.
<nephele> what is the hp issue?
<OscarL> sec.
<OscarL> one of the commits from hrev58795 sounds like the most likely (to me) to be related.
<nephele> then test against hrev58794
<nephele> if that fixes it, make a trac ticket
<nephele> I'm on 58786 currently. If you want i can try to see if the crash occurs for me?
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<nephele> bah. I dislike c code. It always looks like it's trying to get in the minimize c code contest
<OscarL> I was able tto test on hrev58783 and the crash is not there. looking at commits upto hrev58786... nothing looks related, so I guess we can skip testing that hrev for now, thanks for the offer, nephele.
<Begasus[m]> bummer, buildmasters still having issues :(
<OscarL> (not really on the mood for building haiku.hpkg ATM, bisecting will have to wait :-D)
<nephele> OscarL. If it started crashing at a specific hrev then open a ticket indeed
<OscarL> alright. thanks nephele.
<nephele> you don't need to bisect it
<Begasus[m]> still good on hrev58791 also
<nephele> I assumed you did not have a previous version tested, but if you have and that is in the range then feel free. we already know it started with some revision there
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<Begasus[m]> is it possible to update to a given hrev?
<nephele> why is our clang build without powerpc support :(
<OscarL> Begasus[m]: yes.
<nephele> Begasus[m]: kinda yeah. I don't remember how
<OscarL> Begasus[m]: same way as in "Downgrading to a previous revision" on https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/updating-system.html
<Begasus[m]> think I saw something passing by on that (long time ago) :)
<OscarL> (hrev58784 and hrev58785 should still be available, AFAICT, I may try that when I get spare data tonight)
<OscarL> meanwhile... let's see how long it takes to build a fully optimized build of Python 3.10.17... with -g enabled :-/
<nephele> no need. The info about revisions you have now is enough :)
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<OscarL> I want to try just not for this particular crash. we don't currently have debuginfo packages for any python interpreter.
<nephele> if the crash happens in C code you need debug packages for libroot, not for python
<nephele> I was reffering to your statement in brackets btw
<nephele> not about you building python
<OscarL> ah, ok. thanks.
<OscarL> Begasus[m]: need to bribe jmairboeck into making haikuporter's `defineDebugInfoPackage` support $libDir/foobar/*.so syntax :-D
<OscarL> listing 70+ .so there ain't fun :-)
<nephele> why wouldn't it?
<nephele> > Error: Reason: build-requires "setuptools_python310" of package "llvm20-20.1.0" could not be resolved
<nephele> haha pythoin
<OscarL> maybe I messed something on my side, didn't worked last night when I tried.
<OscarL> ah, I think I now see where I messed it up.
<Begasus[m]> OscarL: there are multiple "plugin" directories not sniffed atm :)
<Begasus[m]> crash still happening in hrev58805
<OscarL> for this one I added: /bin/python3.10, libpython3.10.so.1.0, and all the .so under $libDir/python3.10/lib-dynload/
* OscarL hits the turbo button... and launches the python build.
<Begasus[m]> is that smoke coming from your end OscarL ? :P
<OscarL> would be cool if ActivityMonitor logged min/max/average for memory usage.
<OscarL> Begasus[m]: heh, it might well start to smoke shortly, yeah :-D (both PSU and motherboard are with a leg on the grave :-/)
<Begasus[m]> take good care of it! :)
<OscarL> few days ago it took me 30+ minutes to make it power up. Now it starts, but only the second time I try, lol :-D
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<Begasus[m]> whoot! some really weird email popped in :P
* OscarL goes to do something more productive than watch Python builds console messages) for a bit.
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<OscarL> welp, using $libDir/python3.10/lib-dynload/*.so on `defineDebugInfoPackage` still errors out with: "No such file"
<Begasus[m]> slap it! :)
<Begasus[m]> afk for a bit
<OscarL> boost also "manually" lists 30+ .so files when using defineDebugInfoPackage, so it seems *.so is not supported after all (I at least can't find any usage of that)
<OscarL> prepareInstalledDevelLib does accepts globs though.
<nephele> lol
<nephele> gcc crashed trying to compile clang
* OscarL pictures one of those fish dying due to trying to eat too large of a prey.
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<nekobot> • OscarL (60bc6c06): python3.10: update to version 3.10.17. (#12131)…
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/075ecb128771...60bc6c068e90
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<OscarL> thanks Begasus[m]. 3 pythons down, 3 still to go :-)
<OscarL> (downloaded all the tarballs the other night in one go while I had "free data" :-D)
<Anarchos> hello
<Begasus[m]> +1 OscarL :)
<OscarL> good day Anarchos.
<Begasus[m]> Hi Anarchos
<Anarchos> thanks
<Begasus[m]> OscarL: you could do the same as is done in boost devel libs list for python?
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<OscarL> I don't think so.
<Begasus[m]> # Replace "/packages/apache-*/.settings" by "/boot/system/settings"
<Begasus[m]> just caught my eye :) (in apache)
<OscarL> also, notice that boost also has to list all the .so for defineDebugInfoPackage.
<Begasus[m]> was about to look when this apache thing caught my eye :)
<OscarL> yeah, that issue of setting files having package-version dependent paths ain't new, and some packages (like apache it seems), already try to address it.
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/60bc6c068e90...e4c1a3596a68
<nekobot> • Peppersawce (e4c1a359): Recipe for xoreos (#12127)
<OscarL> too bad it doesn't exactly works if installing as --home, but...
<Begasus[m]> that also has a long list in defineDebugInfoPackage
<OscarL> right, heh.
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<waddlesplash> OscarL: I see the problem
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<OscarL> nice, thanks for looking into it waddlesplash :-)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev58809] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=d45f85d19fdc+%5E2dadc7bc29ca
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] d45f85d19fdc - libroot/musl: Use the correct toread and uflow for shgetc.
<waddlesplash> OscarL: that should fix it
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<OscarL> awesome, thank you!
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<OscarL> mmm, having some linking error it seems: "multiple definition of `strtold'"
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<OscarL> ("...failed Link objects/haiku/x86_64/release/system/libroot/libroot.so ...") :-(
<OscarL> seems both posix_musl.o and posix_gnu_stdlib.o contain that symbol
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<waddlesplash> delete your posix_gnu_stdlib.o
<waddlesplash> it's stale from some older build
<OscarL> thanks, just nuked the whole posix object folder, just in case :-D
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<Begasus[m]> re
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<Begasus[m]> waddlesplash: re curl, been using it for some days without issues
<waddlesplash> sounds good then
<Begasus[m]> looking at how much haikuporter should be using it I guess it would pop up an error if not ok :)
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<Begasus[m]> thnx
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<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e4c1a3596a68...2ebab20d6ce6
<nekobot> • Begasus (2ebab20d): curl, bump to version 8.13.0 (#12122)
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<Begasus[m]> buildmasters still stuck :/
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<nekobot> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2ebab20d6ce6...f5bb2a25fc13
<nekobot> • waddlesplash (f5bb2a25): Update openjdk8-1.8.u442_b00.recipe
<Begasus[m]> previous openjdk8 hasn't finished yet on buildmasters waddlesplash :)
<waddlesplash> I killed it, it was hung on gcc2h
<Begasus[m]> yeah, saw that
<OscarL> /me tries to boot the newly built haiku.hpkg... it is taking a loooong time :-/
<Begasus[m]> with or without smoke?
<OscarL> and now it froze after reacing the desktop (can't access it via ssh either). Let's kill the VM and start again :-/
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<Begasus[m]> just did an update in the qemu image, still good :)
<OscarL> first 3 icons fast... then hangs there for some time... :-(
<Begasus[m]> doing a build here also
<OscarL> reached the disks icon at last...
<OscarL> snail-paced still, heh.
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<Begasus[m]> ah, think I got that same error you had
<OscarL> lots of USB related errors on the syslog. weird.
<Begasus[m]> image is 3GB here, most of the work is populating there I think :)
<OscarL> "KERN: usb error control pipe 6: timeout waiting for queued request to complete". /me tries rebooting the VM into an older hrev.
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<Begasus[m]> OK here :)
<OscarL> hold SHIFT during boot... screen remained all black for a good chunk. booting into previoul hrev seem to have worked fine.
<OscarL> guess I have a broken build.
* OscarL nukes the whole "objects" dir under generated.x86_64. Will try building again.
<Begasus[m]> pip install works
<Begasus[m]> I only nuked posix_gnu_stdlib.o :)
<OscarL> for whatever reason, my haiku.hpkg is evidently just busted :-D
<Begasus[m]> it's cool to be able again to do quick checks for things like this :)
<OscarL> Begasus[m]: "Athlon XP 2000" nice :-D
<Begasus[m]> heh
<OscarL> (* @ 2.00 GHz)
<Begasus[m]> got a 10GB image for checking larger projects, with script to launch it, another one to launch the created image (clean launch)
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<Begasus[m]> another script to launch a 32bit image here (4GB) :)
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<Begasus[m]> just need to find a way to launch the riscv64 image :P
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<OscarL> newly built haiku.hpkg still slow as molasses to boot. No idea what's going on :-(
<OscarL> and it froze again. sigh. /me goes back to beta5 :-)
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<phschafft> donkey day, with rocket fuel
<andreaallegri> hey
<andreaallegri> (^.^)/
<phschafft> :)
<phschafft> we're back.
<andreaallegri> the software, even haiku os, and the computer work with the binary system = a set of 0s and 1s
<andreaallegri> and that's a beautiful thing
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<andreaallegri> 0 and 1 remember me holy things but it is all individual ...
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<OscarL> mmm, need to fix 32 bits build for python3.10. Darn $libDir vs $prefix/lib :-)
<phschafft> does it? never seen 0s nor 1s inside when I opened one.
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<OscarL> gcc15 has emojis now on error messages? :rolls eyes:
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<OscarL> mmm, test_datetime from Pyhton's test suit passes on 32 bits, but I always see it fail on 64 bits.
<phschafft> hahahahaha
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<jmairboeck> Hi OscarL!
<jmairboeck> When did I become responsible for HaikuPorter? I barely know any python :P
<jmairboeck> although that issue with defineDebugInfoPackage is probably mostly in the ShellScriptlets, that's bash code, not python ...
<OscarL> jmairboeck: hello :-)
<OscarL> yeah... that was my thinking... you're far better with bash than me :-)
<OscarL> aaand, python3.10 test suite on 32 bits just KDLed, lol.
<OscarL> I think I actually never run "hp python3.xx --test" on 32 bits before.
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<OscarL> mmm got a KDL again. vm_page_fault. Prolly due to building testing on RAMFS :-/.
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<JulesEnriquez[m]> Recently discovered Jost*, an open-source typeface closely inspired by Futura (what the Haiku logo uses):
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<Viking667> 'llo and good morftervening
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