<OscarL>
Viking667: there's a "ying-yang" icon left of the "Filter:" input box on the IRC logs page. Click that symbol to toggle dark/light mode.
<OscarL>
Mmm, new releases for Python: 3.9, 3.10, 3.11, 3.12, 3.13, and for 3.14a7
<OscarL>
guess I know on what I'll spend the "free" nightly MBs I have on my data plan.
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<OscarL>
waddlesplash: when you made Python 3.9 the default one (2022-10) you wrote in the commit message: It's probable we should have a "_default" package for Python3 the same way we do OpenJDK.
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<OscarL>
Only problem I have with that is... how to handle gracefully the upgrade path... from having python3.10 installed to python3.10 + python3.10_default ?
<OscarL>
I know you're pretty busy, but if you have any ideas/suggestions on that regard (assuming you still think is a good idea), I'll very much appreciate them.
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<PetePete>
Viking667!!!!!!
<PetePete>
*dies from reading all the garbage mispellings*
<PetePete>
*utters his final words* "It... was VikAAARRGH!"
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<Viking667>
pffft. He leaves before I even get a chance to thank himmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. The symbol's a bit unobvious, I must say.
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<OscarL>
Viking667: The package builders had a rough couple of days, and my recipe for libfossil needed a couple of tweaks to work OK on 32 bits, but... all libfossil packages are available for install on both 32 and 64 bits now.
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<Viking667>
Ahhh, nice to know. I've been awaiting those for a little bit of time.
<Viking667>
(and again, sorry about the delay, I've been video-watching)
<Viking667>
I'm assuming there's a way to get pkgman's database to update. I'll be checking that out r.s.n.
<OscarL>
Viking667: `pkgman refresh`.
<OscarL>
if you do other installs or "pkgman update", the "repo info" gets updated too.
<Viking667>
Yup, installed libfossil_{,fnc,tools}, just devel to go, I guess.
<OscarL>
`pkgman search libfossil` should list them all
<OscarL>
adding -D will show version numbers too.
<Viking667>
I figured that out not long after I'd installed the first three packages, and before I came back here.
<Viking667>
Thanks for the work, I can send that back to Stephan and the others who will be quite happy.
<OscarL>
No problem :-). Hope they work well enough for you. Shout if you find any issue, or when you consider it might be time to update the recipe to a newer "hash" (as upstream doesn't has "releases" per-se yet).
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<Viking667>
Okay.
<Viking667>
Can I hook you up with Stephan as the "quasi-official" HaikuPorts contact for the libfossil packages?
<OscarL>
sure, as long as it is clear I'm just nosy user contributing what he can, and not an oficial part of the team :-)
<Viking667>
I'll flick deets to you via PM, you can create user at that website.
<Begasus[m]>
I mostly turn those of once the replicants are in place, looks nicer on the Desktop without
<Begasus[m]>
s/of/off
<BrunoSpr>
Begasus[m], should I delete the /boot/system/packages/administrative/writable-files/gemrb-0.9.4-2/settings/gemrb then, since it is not touched on my install?
<BrunoSpr>
Begasus[m], <Begasus[m]> you probably have 2 gemrb directories in that writable-files BrunoSpr yes that is true!
<Begasus[m]>
BrunoSpr no, it's ok to leave them there
<BrunoSpr>
Begasus[m]: Btw: Baldurs Gate 2 can run in Windows much faster with a config file provided by the original version installed. There you can change the frames per second easy!
<Begasus[m]>
on rare occasions I do some cleanup on the "older" package references, but always leave the "current" on in
<Begasus[m]>
no idea BrunoSpr :)
<Begasus[m]>
I'm on windows, but only because I want to check the boost build on a 32bit VM
<BrunoSpr>
Begasus[m], ok I will just leave the .cfg there for reference, in case...
<Begasus[m]>
+1
<Begasus[m]>
BrunoSpr in any case, you know where to look for when it happens again :)
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<BrunoSpr>
Yes, Begasus[m], do you know what this Cap FPS do? Will they make the game faster? I tried but it is still the same with all 3 values!
<Begasus[m]>
it works, but doesn't really mean anything to "me" :)
<BrunoSpr>
Strange, files, edited with wonderbrush and the saved as... are somewhat modified and do not work on upload! Wonderbrush might changed its mime.type then!?
<Begasus[m]>
updated earlier from 24.12.1 to 24.12.3, icons now show up OK
<McCall[m]>
Hi! I've been trying to get in touch with kallisti5 to discuss porting Haiku to the Orange Pi RV2 RISC-V board, but it seems the email address on his git isn't valid. Does anyone know how to get in touch with him?
<Begasus[m]>
McCall , kallisti5 is in the room here
<Begasus[m]>
maybe not active atm, but I guess he'l get the message, don't know about email
<McCall[m]>
Oh, super! I've not got an IRC client installed, and I've used some Matrix Element chat web based thing that I've not used before, and I don't see a list of people like in a traditional IRC client :-)
<Begasus[m]>
x512 is mostly our RISC-V guy I guess :)
<Begasus[m]>
np, using NeoChat (matrix) atm also
<Begasus[m]>
Never got my fingers around Element here :)
<McCall[m]>
Oh, okay! I saw his username, and wondered if it was related to the X512 board, but most of the blogs and comments were from Kallisti5.
<Begasus[m]>
x512 is mostly involved with NVidia atm
<Begasus[m]>
you probably have seen that post on the forum also
<McCall[m]>
I've not built or dev'd Haiku since the very early days, around 2002/3/4 maybe. I'm checking the code out now and am going to build the standard RISC-V build first, then look at what needs to happen to get it on something else. I'm just after pointers really, like first do a, second d b, then I'll go off and do it...
<McCall[m]>
Well, try and do it :-)
<Begasus[m]>
nice! it's been a while since I last tried a "build" for it
<Begasus[m]>
mostly now and then check builds for 32bit and 64bit
<Begasus[m]>
help is always welcome!
<McCall[m]>
I originally did some very basic kernel work and the skeletons to the preferences, last time I looked some of my code is still there, but a lot has been re-worked now.
<BrunoSpr>
brb
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<Begasus[m]>
guessing you're a former BeOS user also?
<McCall[m]>
Yes, from around ~1996. It's where I learned C++.
<McCall[m]>
I had lots of grand ideas for applications back then, but looking back at it, I think the only thing I actually wrote and released was a OXO game 🤣
<Begasus[m]>
heh
<Begasus[m]>
I only got in with 5 PE, then Pro version
<Begasus[m]>
but yeah, great times!
<McCall[m]>
I've still got all my Be books, and I had all the original Be software, from R3 to R5, along with boxed copies of Gobe Productive and a few others things, but I sold them all on eBay. I regret that now though!
<Begasus[m]>
nice, boost1.87.0 completed on 32bit :)
<Begasus[m]>
ohh! I still got them here :)
<Begasus[m]>
in one of the KDE channels even wrote I still have Suse 6.0 (or 6.1) box here somewhere :)
<Begasus[m]>
there, that "should" do it :) waiting for build cleaning and then back to bare metal Haiku :)
<Begasus[m]>
biab
<Begasus[m]>
back in Haiku land :D
<x512[m]>
McCall: I have no access to Haiku blogs, so RISC-V blog ports are mostly by kallisti5 (official Haiku developer and Haiku Inc. member).
<Begasus[m]>
x512: has there been any progress on RVVM? I know you were involved for Haiku support there?
<Begasus[m]>
looks I lost my recipe for it :)
<x512[m]>
RVVM itself is already working on Haiku for a long time, but there are no HaikuPorts recipe yet. Upstream Haiku guest currently have no keyboard/mouse input on RVVM. There are plans to implement XHCI HID on RVVM, but I am currently focused on Nvidia drivers.
<x512[m]>
Currently only my dm2 branch is working fine on RVVM.
<x512[m]>
Because it have I2C HID driver.
<Begasus[m]>
yeah, remember something not fully ready, hence I didn't push the recipe to haikuports
<Begasus[m]>
should give that dm2 branch another go again some time :)
<Begasus[m]>
lol, and the script to launch it :)
<Begasus[m]>
build is pretty straigt forward
<McCall[m]>
Can someone point me to details on Haiku's version of jam? There's code, but it doesn't seem to have been built and it's missing when I run, jam -j2 -q @minimum-mmc. I think I need a Haiku specific version, not one from apt...
<Begasus[m]>
-rv32 Enable 32-bit RISC-V, 64-bit by default (means it could boot a 32bit image?)
<x512[m]>
RVVM yes, but not Haiku, Haiku is 64 bit only on RISC-V.
<Begasus[m]>
ah ok +1 thought it was only 64bit
<x512[m]>
McCall: You need to use "buildtools" that include Haiku jam, gcc, ld.
<Viking667>
heh. I wasn't even aware of jam until yesterday. I'm still totally in ignorance of what it does.
<Viking667>
Oh wait, that's right. It's an analogue to make/gmake
* Viking667
drifts back to Riftworld.
<Begasus[m]>
k, RVVM packaged again :)
<Begasus[m]>
grabbing rvvm-0.7~git-1-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/rvvm-0.7~git-1-x86_64.hpkg
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<Begasus[m]>
x512: I'm using git clone https://review.haiku-os.org/haiku in my default script now, which repository should I use trying to target risc64?
<Begasus[m]>
or does it contain the dm2 branch?
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<x512[m]>
dm2 branch need a set of compiled HPKGs.
<x512[m]>
I published link to HPKG files before.
<Begasus[m]>
saw the precompiled zip just now
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<Viking667>
I'm off for now, catch you all another time.
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<Peppersawce>
Sp what's happened with the GemRB package? It works fine here
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 58a2e3685782 - WebPositive: style fixes after previous commit.
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<Begasus[m]>
hi Peppersawce
<Begasus[m]>
nothing really, just the "old" config file is being kept and the path in there changed on the revbump
<Peppersawce>
That's weird, literally nothing changed here
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<Peppersawce>
Been using the same settings path for 7 months across all versions I made a recipe for
<McCall[m]>
<x512[m]> "McCall: You need to use "..." <- I did get the build tools, but for some reason, jam hasn't built or isn't in the path or something...
<Peppersawce>
Oh well, as long as it's "solved" it's fine by me
<x512[m]>
On Linux jam require manual install or adding to PATH.
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<Begasus[m]>
Peppersawce: in the gebrb configure file: #GemRBPath=/packages/gemrb-0.9.4-2/.self/data/gemrb
<Begasus[m]>
that was *-1 when you had first revision installed
<Begasus[m]>
line 187 in /boot/system/settings/gemrb/GemRB.cfg
<Begasus[m]>
raw image for riscv64 finished a while ago here :)
<Begasus[m]>
afk for a bit
<Begasus[m]>
but I see that line is commented out, maybe bruno enabled the line?
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<Begasus[m]>
tend to nuke those writable-files subdirs when checking up on things, but haven't really hit things like this (yet)
<OscarL>
(and being a total noob, it took me quite a while to figure out where the problem really was :-D)
<Begasus[m]>
had a hinge already when he mentioned the path
<Begasus[m]>
but on the other part on your side I can imagine :)
<OscarL>
the ones under administrative are just a "side-effect" of the install process, problem is when files with /packages/$portName-$portVersion/ end up under, say... /etc, /system/settings or ~/config/settings
<OscarL>
as they do not get updated.
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<Begasus[m]>
OK, now I need to check if faad is used in Haiku's source, small change but still ...
<Begasus[m]>
right
<Begasus[m]>
faad2-2.7-2
<Begasus[m]>
whoot! that's not even there anymore :P (PS for x86 which isn't there anymore also)
<Begasus[m]>
why do we still have a x86 arch file in build/jam/repositories/HaikuPorts
<OscarL>
wondered the same a couple of times.
<OscarL>
only thing it does is mess up your grep results :-D
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<HaikuUser2>
i did that to one of the drives, ill just do it to all then and retry
<Begasus[m]>
did you initialized the partition like that? (be sure the disk is clean, eg nothing is installed there)
<OscarL>
HaikuUser2: BootManager can only be used in disks with MBR format.
<Begasus[m]>
that's second, if your boot drive uses EFI there is another work-around needed
<OscarL>
also, BootManager only relevant if you're booting in BIOS/Legacy/CSM mode (just in case)
<Begasus[m]>
@OscarL is better in explaining that :)
<HaikuUser2>
no i have EFI for the rest, but ill give the MBR path another go. brb, have to reboot.
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<OscarL>
why not use efi boot also for Haiku then? (other than to use VESA driver instead of framebuffer)
<OscarL>
I love BootMan, but if rEFInd works... I'm not fiddling with anything else.
<OscarL>
(that's a bit of a lie... as I have a franken-netbook that does BIOS and UEFI boot for 32/64 bits Haiku, all from an MBR disk... have Bootman AND rEFInd in there, somehow, LOL)
<Begasus[m]>
other laptops don't use that, so regular MBR there
<Begasus[m]>
I'm just poking F9 to get into EFI menu :)
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<blanboombadabing>
yes, thank you enabling CSM worked
<blanboombadabing>
zx570 amd motherboard with a 5800x3D
<nekobot>
• korli (99c24b15): openssl3: bump to next LTS version
<blanboombadabing>
how do i turn off scaling?
<Begasus[m]>
ah, korli already did that
<Begasus[m]>
didn't want to touch that one :)
<OscarL>
a 5800x3D? /me drooools
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<OscarL>
I guess tha trading it. as-is, for a Phenom II X4 is out of the question, right? :-P
<OscarL>
blanboombadabing: what scalling?
<OscarL>
if you are seeing icons too large... it might be just your resolution being too small?
<blanboombadabing>
what firefox is the most up to date?
<Begasus[m]>
lol
<blanboombadabing>
font scaling OscarL
<OscarL>
(in any case, go to Preferences->Screen, and check resolution.)
<Begasus[m]>
reduce icon size? :P
<blanboombadabing>
the screen preflets panel says i am running at 2440p but the fonts looks as large as it would on a 640x480 beos machine. Just aweful
<OscarL>
the whole UI "scales" with the size of the fonts you choose on the Preferences->Appearance
<blanboombadabing>
hahha it is set to 18pts. Thank you very much my brothers.
<blanboombadabing>
now it looks great, but i guess i will have to restart open applications for those changes to take place.
<OscarL>
IIRC (not sure)... if 4k is detected, it auto-scales fonts a bit on first boot, or something like that... might not be ideal for all users/monitors conbinations :-D
<OscarL>
blanboombadabing: only Tracker and Deskbar...
<OscarL>
you can close them both (will auto-restart) by using either...
<OscarL>
"ProcessController", or via the TeamMonitor (hit ctrl+alt+del)
<OscarL>
should avoid having to reboot after that font change.
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<blanboombadabing>
OscarL, about that. I have an AMD card and a 4k screen, is there any way to run it at native resolution somehow? Screen preference panel give me no option to select the native resolution and i am a bit worried when using 3k when shutting down or rebooting with all those stripes across the screen.
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<OscarL>
when you open the Screen preference app ("preflet").... did it says "VESA" ?
<OscarL>
(just trying to figure out if you are using the radeon_hd driver or the "failsafe/fallback" one)
<Begasus[m]>
I'm not seeing blan... in matrix (me though OscarL was going nuts) :)
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: s/nuts/nutter/, I assume you meant, right?
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<OscarL>
blanboombadabing: in any case, you can't see the correct resolution in the Screen preference, you *may* be able to set it via the "screenmode" command line program...
<OscarL>
blanboombadabing: from the boot loader menu (hold SHIFT during boot, or spam the spacebar before the Haiku icons get shown), you may be able to choose resolution too.
<OscarL>
last resort, there's the "bios_patching" method (only works in a limited set of hardware), that might enable more resolutions. You'll need to add "bios_patching true" to the "/boot/home/config/settings/kernel/drivers/vesa" file, reboot, and see if you get more options in "Screen".
<blanboombadabing>
ill give both a go now that the fonts are all set properly to 8pts.
<blanboombadabing>
OH wait it was just that i had not run the screen pref panel since i enabled CSM, now all screenmodes are available and may i say the desktop is GORGEOUS!
<blanboombadabing>
no more fuzzy fonts
<blanboombadabing>
4k 100 hz is as far as it goes, but i do not need the full 120hz
<blanboombadabing>
in linux i am stuck with 60hz, and i am not going back to windows.
<OscarL>
Note: when using EFI, you can only change resolutions while in the boot loader menu (or by forcing resolution on the mentioned vesa file).
<OscarL>
*when using EFI and the framebuffer driver, I mean.
<blanboombadabing>
OscarL thank you, you have been a great help.
<OscarL>
happy to hear. welcome!
<blanboombadabing>
what is the best publishing tool for Haiku-x64, i am guessing GoBE productive will not work.
<blanboombadabing>
i mean something like inline or scribus
<OscarL>
gobe will only run on 32 bits, yes.
<OscarL>
"pkgman search publish" only mentions: blender, latex/tex, and scribus.
<blanboombadabing>
haha i searched for scribus, nothing came up. But when i searched haikudepot for publishing it came up
<OscarL>
blanboombadabing: if you used the GUI "HaikuDepot"... make sure you're in the "all packages" tab when searching.
<blanboombadabing>
What is the most demanding game there is on haiku? just so i can test basic performance of the GPU under haiku?
<OscarL>
(and also make sure it completed the initial loading of data)
<blanboombadabing>
OscarL, yeah i kinda figured that part out by clocking around. But i really aprechiate your advice, so i will probably not ask about such simple matters any more.
<OscarL>
we have zero 3D hardware acceleration at the moment (besides some "crazy genius" doing experiments on his own drivers :-D)
<Begasus>
don't we all do crazy experiments? ;)
<phschafft>
Begasus++
<OscarL>
but are we genious? :-P
<phschafft>
OscarL += 2;
<blanboombadabing>
Begasus exactly. And i have a spare disk or two for my linux machine that runs kodi and emuarch. I just want to try to see basic performance,
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<blanboombadabing>
about geniouses, the one that made the haiku icon for wine_bin is a bloody genious and it is a infinite amoutn more gorgeous than any design microsoft has ever come up with.
<OscarL>
not sure about more demanding... maybe one of the 3D FPS games?
<blanboombadabing>
sorry for my spelling
<Begasus>
there are some quake ports around, doom ...
<Begasus>
supertux
<Begasus>
kart*
<blanboombadabing>
guessing the quake 3 port by be or shogo mad port by hyperion will not work in 64bit either.
<Begasus>
food, bbl
<blanboombadabing>
Do they even work in Haiku 32-bit?
<OscarL>
only Haiku 32 bits can run (some/most?) BeOS apps. Not sure about specific titles.
<blanboombadabing>
What about blood? I mean the original and not the true 3d one, but the one made with the 3drealms engine (same as duke and redneck rampage)
<OscarL>
we have eduke32 available (on 64 bits toot)
<blanboombadabing>
nice
<OscarL>
there's QuakeSpasm, and you can run Half-Life 1 via xash3d
<OscarL>
openarena is there too.
<OscarL>
just use `pkgman search quake` (or doom, etc) to see what's there.
<OscarL>
some of the ports have pending updates/improvements at the moment, so it might be good to check again in a few days.
<blanboombadabing>
the most impressive game in my BeOS times was Corum 3, Worms Armagheddon, Shogo MAD and Quake 3
<blanboombadabing>
But all my machines had either vood cards or radeon cards that was supported fully with 3d. Now when i search the repos, i am most interested in the GEM thingy that says that all i have to provide is legal copies of balldurs gate 1+2 and icewind dale 1+2 and i can play them. I wonder if it is like "toto" when you can play them in a row with the same character, or i would have to make a new one for each game. Time will sort that ou
<metalist>
Well my Haiku is cooked after about 2 days upppp :S
<blanboombadabing>
im just excited for this new-ish plattform.
<metalist>
black screen no ssh no vnc no nothing it can be pinged and thats all
<blanboombadabing>
metalist: you can at least take comfort that you put all important data on a separate partition, so you can reinstall faster than any other OS except menuet/kolibrios.
<blanboombadabing>
without losing anything
<blanboombadabing>
haiku is incredibly fast to install, a few seconds to a nvme from usb.
<OscarL>
install faster than many OSes boot in the hardware I hav available :-D
<OscarL>
metalist: tried hitting the power button to see if it cleanly shutdowns? (mostly to preserve the /var/log/syslog file on reboot, that might give you clues about what went wrong)
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<OscarL>
Hello Peppersawce.
<Peppersawce>
Hi :)
<blanboombadabing>
I dont get why none of the game show up in the deskbar menu
<OscarL>
blanboombadabing: ^^ that guy has beeing working on mane game ports for Haiku. Surely knows more than me about what's good to try :-)
<OscarL>
s/mane/many/
<Peppersawce>
Some of them are pretty old
<blanboombadabing>
ok billiards shows up in the applications menu
<blanboombadabing>
but whilst games is applications.
<Peppersawce>
If one doesn't have a link in the apps menu it's probably meant for command line
<blanboombadabing>
Peppersawce that makes sense
<Peppersawce>
But the ones packed more recently should have links, mostly
<blanboombadabing>
Am i the only one that can not get back mouse button to work in tracker?
<Peppersawce>
Due to some recent changes Tracker can hang at times, kill its process and try again
<blanboombadabing>
It worked in BeOS with the backtotrack addon from bebits.
<Peppersawce>
Oh nvm
<Peppersawce>
You mean an extra mouse button, dunno about that
<nekobot>
• korli (8efe8d39): openjdk8: bump version
<OscarL>
blanboombadabing: set the correct number of buttons in the Input preflet yet?
<OscarL>
(it defaults to 3 button-mouse.
<blanboombadabing>
Peppersawce are you the one that ported the heroes of might an magic engine?
<Peppersawce>
Nope
<Peppersawce>
I'm not sure I have the game actually
<blanboombadabing>
Kings bounty, and kings bounty 2 aka Heroes of might an magic 1 is free, heroes of might and magic 2 and 3 is not. And noone cares about HoMM4 5 or 6.
<blanboombadabing>
2d game
<blanboombadabing>
great fun
<Peppersawce>
Hahaha yeah well, that happens
<Peppersawce>
If there's open source ports for them let us know in the forums
<Peppersawce>
@ Software Port Suggestions
<blanboombadabing>
i wish that haikudepot provided porters name for each port
<OscarL>
blanboombadabing: can't find any "backtotrack" in either HaikuArchives, nor on Adrien's BeOSArchives.
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<blanboombadabing>
fHeroes 2 is for heroes 2, and vcmi is for heroes 3.
<OscarL>
you don't happen to have an archive with sources for it, no?
<blanboombadabing>
OscarL it was on bebits, perhaps i spelled it wrong, it allowed for fouth mouse buttons to back up one level.
<OscarL>
I see. Don't remember it from the old days, and I don't seem to have it on my backups either :-(
<Peppersawce>
My applications menu is just a text file, guess it's time to reboot
<Peppersawce>
...or killing the Deskbar
<blanboombadabing>
i need to sleep, i might come on again later. Love your help and appreciate that you took your time to answer my questions.
<Peppersawce>
cya :)
<OscarL>
later blanboombadabing.
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<Peppersawce>
I'm out, @OscarL I've applied the latest suggestions to the Doom pr, I think it's okay
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<Peppersawce>
But if you spot anything let me know
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<OscarL>
Peppersawce: when I "discoverred" findpaths... it was like the "galaxy brain" meme...: from `findpaths -l`, to `findpaths B_FIND_PATH_DATA_DIRECTORY foobar`... till the "-c :" thing that's just genious :-D
<OscarL>
bah, he left.
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<Begasus[m]>
closing down here too
<Begasus[m]>
cu peeps!
<OscarL>
later Begasus[m]!
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<OscarL>
"git --git-dir=/[...]/foobar/.git --work-tree=/tempdir/ checkout some_branch" <<< this is definitively making it into my "Git_cheatsheet.md" file :-D
<PetePete>
Bayguhzeeeeeez... no leaf me... *cry*
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<PetePete>
You know I think there just might sum'n to this whole Haiku thing...
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<OscarL>
PetePete: it does seems to attract friendly, even if a bit "out-there" (look who's talking :-P), folks, no? :-)
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* OscarL
checks the git logs for boost... seems Begasus opted for the shorter route, and nuked the offending lib for 32 AND 64 bits :-D (not blaming him there)
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<OscarL>
Vision could use a "this app will auto-connect to the #haiku IRC channel" alert(), so "HaikuUsers" don't panic-quit it so often.
<nephele>
I doubt this is panic quits. But auto-connecting is a bit "icky"
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<nephele>
I think for Renga we could add a view where if you did not connect to anything it offers to connect instead of connecting..
<OscarL>
I was being hyperbolic with the "panic" thing, but yes, offering to connect seems better than just straight doing it without warning.
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<nephele>
I'm reading up on wii u again to port Haiku :)
<OscarL>
good luck, and have fun!
<OscarL>
(meanwhile /me starts to update the python3.xx recipes)
<OscarL>
matthewcroughan1: re: limine... one way to find out! (using a VM should make it it safe and easy to test).
<OscarL>
seems we even have limine 9.2.2 available for install in Haiku itself.
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<OscarL>
matthewcroughan1: if still using IDE disks... I assume you're still using BIOS boot... why not just use BootManager in that case then? (it can chain load to whatever boot loader is installed in MBR-style partitions).
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<OscarL>
BootManager allows you to install a pretty simple text-based boot menu, PetePete, from where you can select different partitions to boot.
<OscarL>
only works for MBR-partitioned devices, though.
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<OscarL>
original "bootman"/BootManager comes from BeOS. I have been using it as my main boot menu since then.
<OscarL>
(with the exception of about a year where I used to use XOSL instead=
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<OscarL>
PetePete: for USB-keys/pendrives.... I used to use YUMI, before switching to Ventoy. It is nice to not having to wipe the whole drive just to add or update an .iso in it.
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<OscarL>
would be cool to be able to do the same with Haiku's .iso files. (instead of having to have a "dedicated" USB-drive just for Haiku)
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