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<OscarL> Mmm, Vision seem to be pegging one of my CPU cores to 100% out of nowhere: "s>wegotdeathstar", according to ProcessController.
* OscarL will se if restarting Vision does any good.
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<netpositive> morning
<Begasus> morning netpositive
<LinuxUser> hi begasus
<Begasus> hi LinuxUser
<LinuxUser> g'afternoon peeps
<LinuxUser> i successfully ran haiku on my laptop
<Begasus> good LinuxUser !
<LinuxUser> in fail-safe mode
<Begasus> Running and building a lot faster I presume? :)
<LinuxUser> of which?
<Begasus> you can blacklist a driver so you don't need to boot with fail-safe mode
<LinuxUser> that was nvidia driver's fault
<Begasus> ah, maybe mention the type in the forum, rudofC could perhaps help out there
<LinuxUser> in regular mode it just threw black screen
<LinuxUser> ok, i'll just use fail-safe(vesa) mode
<Begasus> it's not so bad, on this one I need to blacklist the driver for Radeon, works pretty fine still
<Begasus> biab
<LinuxUser> for me seems need to blacklist driver of nvidia
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<OscarL> LinuxUser: here you have the instructions on how to blacklist components: https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/disable-package-entries
<OscarL> I used that guide myself just yesterday :-D
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<LinuxUser> ok
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<MelMalik> Begasus, can I PM you for a sec
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<Begasus> re
<MelMalik> welcome home
<Begasus> Thanks MelMalik :)
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<MelMalik> Begasus, so is it ok if I PM you?
<Begasus> sure MelMalik
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<MelMalik> LinuxUser, so about the qcow
<MelMalik> when you made the VM, were you successfully able to install the bootloader into it
<LinuxUser> yes
<MelMalik> oh, erh, one thing you can do is you can actually make the USB stick the VM's hard disk directly if you would like
<MelMalik> this.. may not work with haiku for several reasons, but the theory, I hope, is sound.
<LinuxUser> yes, i need
<LinuxUser> maybe i just need flash qcow directly without conversion?
<MelMalik> no, you don't, that will not work
<LinuxUser> i think this will work?
<MelMalik> no it will not
<MelMalik> regular computers don't understand QCOW as an on-disk format
<LinuxUser> why? that wont be file
<Begasus> biab
* MelMalik thinks, did she install qemu on her rackmount
<LinuxUser> @melmalik dd will extract qcow's content to flash like iso?
<MelMalik> no it won't
<MelMalik> also iso is just a raw disk image like .raw
<MelMalik> and writing it directly to a disk has that effect, of writing an image of a disk, directly to the disk
<LinuxUser> i know! extension must me .img not .raw
<LinuxUser> be
<MelMalik> LinuxUser, not at all
<MelMalik> any extension will do, as long as it is in the correct format
<MelMalik> to check the format on Linux and other UNIX OSes, you can run `file -sL <file>`
<MelMalik> LinuxUser, where did you get the qcow from at first? did you just use it as a VM's hard disk?
<MelMalik> or did you get it from the Web?
<LinuxUser> no i created it
<LinuxUser> and installed haiku on it
<MelMalik> ahhhh
<MelMalik> right
<MelMalik> erm
<LinuxUser> file told me that file is dos/mbr boot sector
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<MelMalik> dos/mbr boot sector is the correct format for a disk image, at least one that is to be booted under CSM or BIOS mode
<MelMalik> how are you invoking QEMU? Directly, or via virt-manager, or some other tool?
<LinuxUser> directly
<LinuxUser> on termux
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<MelMalik> like, you were ssh'd from your android phone, into your PC?
<MelMalik> uh, okay
<LinuxUser> no
<LinuxUser> no ssh at all
<MelMalik> ... you did the installation, on your android phone?
<MelMalik> (termux is a program for android which creates a bash prompt with user privileges)
<MelMalik> (do you mean from terminal?)
<MelMalik> https://qemu.readthedocs.io/en/latest/system/images.html#using-host-drives anyway, so about qemu and using a host disk directly
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<LinuxUser> yes
<MelMalik> ok
<LinuxUser> but what i must do?
<MelMalik> what's the command line you used with the qcow, linuxuser?
<LinuxUser> ok
<LinuxUser> qemu-system-x86_64 -vnc :2 -hda haiku.qcow -m 1024 -boot c
<MelMalik> try -hda /dev/flashdrive instead ?
<MelMalik> this may need to be run as root then
<LinuxUser> termux doent have dev folder
<MelMalik> .......?!
<MelMalik> again, you did that on your phone?
<LinuxUser> ok, i'll on my pc
<LinuxUser> yes
<MelMalik> I'm impressed, honestly.
<MelMalik> Begasus: what the
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<LinuxUser> hmm, in qemu flash boots
<OscarL> Welp... I followed x512[m] advice, and wrote a pidof in C and pushed it to review.haiku-os.org :-D
<MelMalik> LinuxUser: aha!
<MelMalik> can you figure out if it's efi or bios?
* OscarL feels pity for the poor reviewers :D
<LinuxUser> both
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<Begasus> Nice OscarL !
<LinuxUser> MelMalik: this is hybrid bios/uefi
<MelMalik> ah
<MelMalik> I mean the way Haiku is currently booting in that VM
<Begasus> LinuxUser, I though you ran Haiku on the laptop?
<LinuxUser> and there's only one option in boot menu
<MelMalik> Begasus: tried, but failed
<LinuxUser> if you meant iso not qcow yes
<Begasus> Video driver?
<MelMalik> someone who knows Haiku, uh, is there a command by which linuxuser can tell what kind of boot the VM is using
<MelMalik> Begasus: yes i think so
<OscarL> Begasus: :-D I just hope the code doesn't drives reviewers insane, hehe. Man... C gives me headeaches :-)
<Begasus> VESA mode is OK to work in
<MelMalik> I need to switch to Linux so I can VM Haiku on my PC... lol.
<MelMalik> I use HardenedBSD which has limited VM support
<LinuxUser> vm uses bios mode
<Begasus> lol OscarL
<MelMalik> LinuxUser: ok, go into the bios on the lappy and set it to CSM mode?
<Begasus> VBox runs on nearly every OS, why not use that?
<MelMalik> Begasus: doesn't run well on HardenedBSD :)
<MelMalik> bhyve does, but it's...
* MelMalik squeaks
<Begasus> why use obscure linux distributions :P
<Begasus> hehe
<OscarL> Haiku runs great on VirtualBox even on an old Athlon II X2 (both on Linux and Windows hosts, at least).
<MelMalik> Begasus: I don't use Linux, normally
<Begasus> right OscarL never any real problem with VBox
<MelMalik> not on my PC, anyway. on my rackmount I do
<LinuxUser> csm enabled
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<Begasus> This lappy runs Ubuntu, granted a bit bloated, but it runs fine
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<MelMalik> erf
<Begasus> Even the wife ran it before she got her new laptop :P
<MelMalik> Begasus: I don't use Linux on my workstation because I have a historical affection for FreeBSD.
<MelMalik> It works well enough..
<Begasus> Think I tried it years ago (FreeBSD), but used by this for now, I can do what I need/want to do in there
<LinuxUser> hmm
<MelMalik> that's an aside anyway
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<Begasus> I even had Arch setup once in VBox :) (with Enlightenment)
<Begasus> (if that's spelled ok) :)
<MelMalik> ah
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<MelMalik> Begasus: your spelling is ok
<Begasus> people shouldn't harcode paths in autogen.sh: BINDIR="/usr/bin"; ;)
<MelMalik> yeah :(
<MelMalik> it's ok to defaultcode, but not hardcode
<Begasus> path is hardcoded?
<MelMalik> (sorry)
<Begasus> it's the first time I see this in a autogen.sh file
<LinuxUser> but what i must do?
<MelMalik> LinuxUser, to what?
<LinuxUser> how i can boot it?
<MelMalik> did you set the fallback video driver inside the VM running off your flash?
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<LinuxUser> i meant other
<LinuxUser> i select my flash and windows boots
<LinuxUser> but i vm flash works
<LinuxUser> in
<Begasus> Should clean up my wip directory more often (about 80k of files cleaning atm)
<LinuxUser> hmmmmm
<LinuxUser> ...
<Begasus> ..
<Begasus> .
<Begasus> Lights out :D
<LinuxUser> .......
<LinuxUser> ......
<LinuxUser> .....
<LinuxUser> ....
<LinuxUser> ...
<LinuxUser> ..
<LinuxUser> .
<MelMalik> LinuxUser, don't do that
<MelMalik> LinuxUser, you select the flash and it goes to windows? :/
<LinuxUser> yes
<MelMalik> damnit
<LinuxUser> in bios mode
<MelMalik> um
<MelMalik> what happens if you uefi? after successfully shutting down the qemu
<LinuxUser> no flash brand in uefi
<LinuxUser> no option in boot menu
<LinuxUser> only bios
<LinuxUser> hmm
<LinuxUser> maybe vhd not raw?
<MelMalik> no, use raw
<MelMalik> raw is the right option
<MelMalik> because it's the same format as the OS you would install
<LinuxUser> raw dont works on laptop
<MelMalik> well nothing else would
<MelMalik> can you install OVMF on your linux
<MelMalik> so that you can run a VM in UEFI mode
<LinuxUser> what's ovmf?
<MelMalik> it's the firmware that QEMU can use to execute UEFI
<LinuxUser> install with apt?
<MelMalik> what OS is your main linux
<MelMalik> yes with apt
<MelMalik> `apt search ovmf`
<LinuxUser> mint
<MelMalik> and then something like this https://blog.hartwork.org/posts/get-qemu-to-boot-efi/
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<LinuxUser> in uefi doent boot at all
<LinuxUser> doent work in efi
<Begasus> LinuxUser, checked this? https://wiki.qemu.org/Hosts/Haiku
<LinuxUser> no
<Begasus> eeps, twice ;)
<LinuxUser> i checked first link
<LinuxUser> failed booting in efi
<LinuxUser> maybe download raw image from haiku site?
<MelMalik> Begasus, this is about haiku as a guest
<MelMalik> LinuxUser, I told you that you need to have both the image and the CD connected to the VM
<LinuxUser> cd?
<MelMalik> the iso
<LinuxUser> to install haiku on qemu?
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<Begasus> MelMalik, the guide is to get Haiku to install and run in qemu as a guest ? ;)
<MelMalik> Begasus, no, the question that we have
<MelMalik> LinuxUser, well, yes, but also no, but mostly yes
<Begasus> heh
<Begasus> I'm lost now ;)
<Begasus> Maybe it's my age ;) can't keep up with you kiddos :P
<MelMalik> naw
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<MelMalik> you're fine, unless you have brain fog it's probably just our language barrier
<MelMalik> I would speak Dutch if I knew it and if LU knew it
* OscarL can't keep up with GCC error messages :-D
<Begasus> No "real" brain fog :)
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<MelMalik> welcome back LinuxUser
<LinuxUser> )
<Begasus> Happy huntin OscarL :)
<Begasus> +g*
<LinuxUser> hmm
<OscarL> :D
<LinuxUser> what i should do with that?
<MelMalik> LinuxUser, to do with what, QEMU?
<LinuxUser> no
<MelMalik> uh
<MelMalik> ok, I'm lost
<LinuxUser> how to boot this poor flash with haiku on this laptop?
<Begasus> LOL
<LinuxUser> ??
<Begasus> sorry LinuxUser , just told MelMalik that I was lost :)
<Begasus> so it's not my age :P
<LinuxUser> @Melmalik begasus was lost
<MelMalik> LinuxUser, you would need to set the CSM on and then reorder the boot order to be the flash first, then windows, on the laptop
<OscarL> Linux: Didn't you were able to boot it yesterday? After selecting the fail-safe graphics ?
<LinuxUser> yes
<LinuxUser> ok
<MelMalik> OscarL, I seem to recall failsafe graphics worked fine, I guess what I'm trying to do now is trying to get it so that an actual haiku install already made in the VM can be made to use failsafe graphics by default?
<MelMalik> damn, I need to reboot into debian or spin up voidlinux on this sucker *taps her recased Hewlett Packard Z440*
<Begasus> °_0
<Begasus> MelMalik, IIRC there is an option in the kernel file you could use for that?
<Begasus> If you don't want to blacklist the driver
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<MelMalik> Begasus, I'm not the one with the issue.
<LinuxUser> doent work :(
<OscarL> IIRC, just using dd to write the anyboot image onto the flash should work ok. once you boot it in desktop mode... you can just blacklist whatever is needed.
<LinuxUser> i meant other
<OscarL> or am I remembering hooribly wrong? (I do have such a flash drive that I didn't "install", just DD)
<MelMalik> OscarL, yes, though LinuxUser is trying to write a qcow2 image of an installed Haiku in the qemu
<MelMalik> which is... I'm just looking over my left and right shoulders and then facepalming, like, what?
<Begasus> if you need to boot into fail-safe then it's obvious the video driver doesn't work as expected, no need for it then and you can blacklist it (only needs to be done once)
<LinuxUser> hmm
<OscarL> MelMalik: welp, dding the qcow2 onto the flash do indeed sounds wrong :-D
<MelMalik> If I was rich, I'd try some light illegal immigration, and I'd fly a seaplane across the pacific to far enough from Linuxuser's joint that I'd still need to row a canoe
<Begasus> heh
<MelMalik> to try to help them out
<OscarL> LOL :D
<MelMalik> OscarL, they're in Russia so I wouldn't really be able to get a visa very easily
<Begasus> Hardly ;)
<MelMalik> they have very strict immigration controls and I'd need to bust those to visit LU's parents... which would be very creepy also
<MelMalik> so yeah let's not talk about that
<MelMalik> yeah, bad ideas
<Begasus> yep, and given his parents are probably a lot younger then me ... :P
<MelMalik> anyway, uh, LinuxUser, have you managed to get OVMF installed?
<LinuxUser> yes
<LinuxUser> already seen
<MelMalik> try passing it to your qemu-system invokation as such (the path may vary on your system)
<LinuxUser> tried
<LinuxUser> i tried ovmf
<Begasus> Why not use an OS that "can" run VBox nicely and be done with it?
<MelMalik> yeah, and what happened
<MelMalik> Begasus, VirtualBox? I thought we agreed we would not use that.
<LinuxUser> it doent boit
<Begasus> the more I see with qemu the more my belly truns :P
<MelMalik> I can reboot into my Debian and get virt-manager on
<OscarL> So... the task is trying to boot that qcow2 image in Qemu in order to use that Haiku instance to install Haiku on a flash drive¿?
<LinuxUser> yes
<OscarL> To use that flash to both the laptop?
<MelMalik> no.
<MelMalik> OscarL, no, the task is to try to install from the ISO to the flashdrive in the QEMU, and then plug the flash drive into the laptop
<Begasus> OscarL, can you still follow? ;)
<OscarL> MelMalik: why would you need Qemu for that? that's the confusing part.
<OscarL> just dd the image and callit a day.
<MelMalik> OscarL, do avoid plugging two media into the laptop.
<OscarL> Begasus: trying :-D
<MelMalik> since the install will be TO the flashdrive
<Begasus> use a flashdrive and a thumbdrive?
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<MelMalik> these are both USB sticks, so thumbdrives as you'd call them
<Begasus> dd the image to one, boot from that, use Installer to install it to the other one?
<Begasus> that's how I do it, my Haiku installs on the other laptop are on an external drive (both arch's)
<Begasus> if something is f*cked up I use one of the thumbdrives to install it back on the externad drive
<OscarL> Yup. Adding VMs to the mix seems overly complicating things.
<OscarL> (Albeit I more than once used VBox to boot the anyboot image to install to a real HDD :-D
<LinuxUser> i wrote raw image to flash, put it in laptop but laptop doent boot from it
<Begasus> One advantage I have here OscarL is that wifi key is stored, ssh key stored, radeon blacklisted, so I don't have to fiddle there anymore :)
<MelMalik> qemu-system-x86_64 -m 768 -drive /dev/flashdrive -cdrom /path/to/haiku.iso -bios /path/to/OVMF_CODE.fd
<OscarL> Undersandable, Begasus!
<OscarL> LinuxUser: yesterday... how you were able to boot Haiku on that laptop? or was a different one?
<LinuxUser> no same
<Begasus> after install, "pkgman full-sync" and I'm on par again :D
<OscarL> LinuxUser: So when it worked yesterday... you booted from where?
<MelMalik> you would need to run all that as root, and with -enable-kvm on
<LinuxUser> i wrote iso to usb stick, put it in laptop, selected fail-safe graphical driver and it booted to LIVECD
<Begasus> that's enough to start
<OscarL> Begasus: I mostly keep an USB drive with Haiku in case I need to restore Bootman :-D
<OscarL> Then you should be able to do the same again now, and follow the blacklisting guide to block the driver that causes problems!
<Begasus> OscarL, have both USB sticks with Haiku at the side, just need to check which arch before I re-install
<LinuxUser> Now i want following: i have installed haiku on qcow2 image, i converted qcow2 image to raw file, wrote it on usb stick, put in laptop, but when i select usb stick laptop boots windows
<OscarL> LinuxUser: who knows if that qcow2 to raw to flash thing didn't messed up the image somehow.
<OscarL> I suggest you use the regular anyboot image just like yesterday instead.
<MelMalik> LinuxUser, is the windows install on that laptop precious, or would it be ok to destroy it?
<LinuxUser> it has too low space to work
<LinuxUser> no, i cant destroy it
<MelMalik> ok
<OscarL> LinuxUser: do you have 2 pendrives/flashdrives/thumbrives (whaever the name is) that you can use?
<LinuxUser> i have 3 flashdrives but only one is free
<OscarL> Ok. Then you need to use a VM to boot the anyboot, make sure that the VM can access that free pendriver...
<LinuxUser> with efi?
<OscarL> And install from the VM to flashdrive.
<OscarL> I've done that VM to flashdrive too, but only using VirtualBox, in BIOS mode.
<LinuxUser> ok
<OscarL> the only "complicated" part was making sure that the VM was able to acces the USB drive
<OscarL> brb, vision is acting up.
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<OscarL> back.
<Begasus> Current partition layout on my "build" laptop: https://ibb.co/202PYCt
<OscarL> That looks way less complicated than some of mine, lol :-D
<Begasus> I contains windows still on it, and the only one I have access to when I need it, so can't whipe it out, otherwise Haiku would be running on bare metal then
<Begasus> hehe OscarL
<OscarL> On this machine I have: 3 Win installs, 2 Linux, and 3 Haikus...
<OscarL> And several "Data" partitions scattered around.
<LinuxUser> i'll try install haiku on flash through vm
<OscarL> Plus some LibreELEC somewhere too.
<Begasus> An advantage is that you can plug it in on any other laptop/pc that can boot from USB :)
<OscarL> Aparently I have 4 Haiku installs (must have replaced the LibreELEC partition then)
<Begasus> ;)
<Begasus> On windows I think I have 3 Haiku installs, 1 BeOS and 1 ZETA still (haven't booted win for a while) :)
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<Begasus> (in VBox)
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<OscarL> I think I still have an original Zeta 1.2 CD
<Begasus> got all up to the latest updates still around and backed up
<Begasus> also some nice apps from back then
<OscarL> Bernd sent it to me because at the time I was writing a driver for a TV/FM card :-D
<Begasus> I did most of the Dutch translation
<Begasus> and did some checking up on network drivers
<OscarL> Tried to boot it once, but it ran aweful on my PC (compared to BeOS PE R5 that worked pretty well)
<Begasus> Worked like a charm for me on the old P4
<Begasus> Should still be on the hard drive in the tower next to me (that sadly passed away) :)
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<Begasus> got rid of all the rest only the tower and everything in there is still here
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<OscarL> I keep reviving my motherboards thanks to replacing capacitors and PSUs :-D
<Begasus> ps OscarL got my ZETA 1.2 CD at their quarters in Mannheim when we visited there as part of BeBUG (Belgium User Group)
<OscarL> (the PSUs were all recaped too ;-( can't afford new hardware)
<Begasus> about the same here OscarL , I recover the laptops someone else in the house replaces ;)
<OscarL> Begasus: nice! I remember reading about those BuGs and meetups (BeGeistest) and thinking... too bad I can't go there!
<Begasus> Been at BG a few times, always nice gatherings
<OscarL> *Can't spell begehiist to save my life, LOL
<Begasus> BeGeisterd ;)
<LinuxUser> ok i'll try
<Begasus> OscarL, roughly translated it's something like : BeInspired
<LinuxUser> maybe this will work for me =)
<OscarL> Begasus: duh! I never even thought of lookin up the meaning of the name!
<Begasus> It helps if you know some German :)
<OscarL> :-) I manage to misspell "Achtung!"
<OscarL> Still remember AxelD trying to teach me to speel that one right on emails :-D
<OscarL> *spell
<LinuxUser> i wish good luck
<OscarL> We all need a bit of that LinuxUser! :-) good luck to you!
<LinuxUser> thank you :)
<LinuxUser> i with good luck tool! To this great community!
<Begasus> biab
<LinuxUser> Flash is done! Now moment of truth...
<m[m]123456789> LinuxUser: nice having you here ^_^
<LinuxUser> And great to have this wonderful community!
<LinuxUser> Now moment of truth: Will it boot?
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<LinuxUser> Hmm
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<LinuxUser> I selected flash in boot menu haiku bootloader appears i select haiku from list and it says no valid boot volume?!
<MelMalik> .... interesting!
<MelMalik> well that is progress, that it gets to the haiku bootloader
<LinuxUser> screenshot: https://thumbsnap.com/teUsEs2t
<Begasus> lol OscarL
<LinuxUser> @begasus i have problem
* OscarL gets an anxiety spike while trying to use git while adressing the comments on his review.
<LinuxUser> @begasus you're here?
<OscarL> git always scared me :-D... "detached HEAD" that sounds aweful!
<Begasus> yep
<LinuxUser> can i pm you for a bit?
<Begasus> eeps OscarL , that's a nasty one
<MelMalik> LinuxUser, please don't ping twice in quick succession like that, it tends to annoy people who've notifs on
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<phschafft> OscarL++
<LinuxUser> ok
<Begasus> And I do have the dogs here that need attention once in a while too :)
<LinuxUser> ok
<Begasus> LinuxUser, can't you ask here?
<LinuxUser> i can
<OscarL> this is my fist time doing the git dance... trying to follow REALLY close the guide on haiku-os.org... still... I'm sweating bullets.
<Begasus> did some git basics on my wiki at github
<Begasus> but that one isn't included :)
<Begasus> did/collected
<LinuxUser> @begasus i've a problem: i successfully installed haiku on usb flash when i select haiku from list in haiku bootloader it says no valid boot volume
<OscarL> Man... I'm so afraid of breaking things up that my hands are shaking, LOL!... time to make some tea.
<Begasus> lol
<Begasus> you already told that here LinuxUser
<OscarL> (easier when it is my own repo... rm and git clone again and all that :-D)
<Begasus> if kapix was here he could help you out, helped me a lot when I screwwed up many times :)
<MelMalik> oh yeah
<LinuxUser> oh no
<MelMalik> it's possible that bootman is looking for haiku on the SATA (because that's what the flash drive was when LU installed it) but it's not there
<LinuxUser> i click rescan volumes but failed
<Begasus> it probably didn't install bootmanager
<OscarL> Begasus: :-) For now, I think I'm doing ok... (at least I think so) but it is indeed making me too anxious :-D
<Begasus> what's the link OscarL ? (I'm curious now) :)
<MelMalik> maybe it did not Begasus
<Begasus> on the thumbdrives I didn't neeed to, on the external drive (installing Haiku to another partition) I had to
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<OscarL> Begasus: korli was really kind on his review... crazy thing is, the first version I wrote was more in line with his comments than the version I ended up submiting :-D
<LinuxUser> hmm in qemu same problem
<Begasus> korli is a coding monster :)
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<MelMalik> arf
<LinuxUser> ??
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<Begasus> k, PR for gettext rebuild, now building glib2 against it
* OscarL goes to read how to rename files on git :-D
<Begasus> git mv?
<OscarL> I really don't know, specially because I need to ammed my last commit for Gerrit.
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<OscarL> I think I'll address the rest of the comments, and leave the renaming after asking korli about it :-D
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<LinuxUser> HUGE PROGRESS!!
<Begasus> boot found?
<LinuxUser> yes
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<LinuxUser> i made typo when creating partition
<Begasus> those can be hard to track ;)
<MelMalik> i have the russian national anthem on my brain and I hate it
<Begasus> I'm not even going to search for it :P
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<Begasus> still nice OscarL (even if I don't fully understand what the binary will do) :)
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<OscarL> Begasus: it returns the PID of the running team you ask it for... so you can use that PID with other tools, like "kill -9" for example.
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<OscarL> I need a reliable way of killing input_server while testing my input addons :-D
<OscarL> you could then do: "kill -9 `pidof input_server`"
<OscarL> (otherwise I had to do it manually using the Team Monitor)
<andreasdr[m]> Good morning
<OscarL> hello there andreasdr[m]!
<andreasdr[m]> Hi OscarL!
<andreasdr[m]> I saw your "pidof"
<andreasdr[m]> Coool
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<OscarL> Thanks :-D. Addressing the review comments right now.
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<OscarL> I'm sweating like I haven't done since my exams of Physiology on my university days :-D
<Begasus> Moin andreasdr[m]
<andreasdr[m]> Moin Begasus
<Begasus> lol OscarL :P
<andreasdr[m]> OscalL cool
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<Begasus> LinuxUser, trying for a record joins here? ;)
<NotWindowsUser> @begasus this is i, LinuxUser my hexchat was frozen and i cant join with my regular nick anymore. the nick is busy
<Begasus> We gathered that NotWindowsUser :)
<MelMalik> trying to get ru/phonetic_dvorak loaded up on this computer
<NotWindowsUser> ??
<NotWindowsUser> for what reason
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<LinuxUser> finally! my nick is free\
<Begasus> 200 objects to go for glib2
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<LinuxUserHaiku> @Begasus this is i LinuxUser
<Begasus> ;)
<LinuxUserHaiku> my hexchat frozen again :(
<Begasus> wow up and running Haiku now!
<LinuxUserHaiku> yess
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<LinuxUserHaiku> my vnc went crazy again :(
<Begasus> ok, fingers crossed now ...
* OscarL crosses his fingers too... git push in progress :-O
<LinuxUserHaiku> i wont reconnect to hexchat now. i'll talk over vision
<MelMalik> wroof!
<LinuxUserHaiku> @MelMalik this is i, linuxuser
<MelMalik> welcome back, LinuxUserHaiku
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<Begasus> still no luck with gettext :/
<MelMalik> eph
<MelMalik> Begasus, is there a way we can create a custom failsafe graphics mode for LinuxUserHaiku which will allow them to run the intel integrated (I think?) graphics driver, and reduce the brightness?
<Begasus> err ... now it does install?
<MelMalik> I think LinuxUserHaiku is on an installed haiku yes
<Begasus> I'm a noob there MelMalik, RudofC is your man there
<MelMalik> they're not here rn
<Begasus> Only thing I can think of is blacklisting the driver
<Begasus> the brightness I don't know
<Begasus> The Intel one on my build laptop is supported, so I'm lucky there
<LinuxUserHaiku> my integrated card is intel hd graphics 4600
<LinuxUserHaiku> maybe i need custom fail-safe mode for nvidia?
<LinuxUserHaiku> nvidia is my main card
<Begasus> Intel HD/Iris (SandyBridge Mobile GT2+
<LinuxUserHaiku> i cant disable nvidia card in bios :(
<MelMalik> ah,. is that not supported?
<LinuxUserHaiku> yep
<Begasus> did you try to blacklist the nvidia one?
<MelMalik> I don't think nvidia is supported at all on haiku?
<LinuxUserHaiku> no
<MelMalik> is it? I'm confused
<LinuxUserHaiku> how i can blacklist it?
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<MelMalik> um... idk ;-;
<Begasus> try that, maybe it will pick the Intel one then?
<LinuxUserHaiku> how to blacklist it?
<Begasus> links have been pasted a few times :)
<LinuxUserHaiku> ok
<LinuxUserHaiku> i cant reboot now
<Begasus> there's another link with the same information
<MelMalik> Begasus, that goes for haiku?
<Begasus> add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin/nvidia
<Begasus> yes MelMalik
<MelMalik> ah
<Begasus> same information, just wanted to use another link :)
<LinuxUserHaiku> ok
<OscarL> :-D
<MelMalik> LinuxUserHaiku, why can't you reboot?
<LinuxUserHaiku> i'm installing qt5
<MelMalik> is it because you've n- oh
<MelMalik> ok
<LinuxUserHaiku> for lazarud
<MelMalik> can you go over to your other computer and try to jig it
<LinuxUserHaiku> wifi works fine!
<MelMalik> nice!!
<LinuxUserHaiku> like a charm!
<LinuxUserHaiku> i'm on beta3 not nightly
<Begasus> LinuxUserHaiku, you can follow the instruction while Qt5 is installing
<LinuxUserHaiku> ok
<LinuxUserHaiku> i can
<Begasus> also install the "libqt5pas" for lazarus
<OscarL> Lucky you LinuxUserHaiku! I have 3 old mini pci wifi cards, none supported :-(
<LinuxUserHaiku> think it will installs automatically
<LinuxUserHaiku> sorry for bad english
<Begasus> no you have to install it your self
<LinuxUserHaiku> ok
<LinuxUserHaiku> i'll do this
<Begasus> the zip for lazarus only contains fpc/lazarus
<LinuxUserHaiku> in flash i have many space
<LinuxUserHaiku> i know
<LinuxUserHaiku> it already on my usb flash
<LinuxUserHaiku> ok, i'll blacklist it
<MelMalik> alright
<MelMalik> you could've done that while extracting also..
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<OscarL> is it just me, or Webpositive seems to not hold my logins (in Trac, Gerrit, anyware really) for long. I keen needing to relogin quite offten.
<Begasus> biab
<MelMalik> wouldn't surprise me if it's not storing cookies, OscarL
<OscarL> *anywhere, lol... me and my broken "English".
<OscarL> MelMalik: yeah... that seems to be the issue. Several times I've lost the text I've written because when I hit "send"... it decides to log me out ;-D
<MelMalik> awrf
<LinuxUserHaiku> i blacklisted driver
<MelMalik> try going through the settings for cookies stuff?
<MelMalik> LinuxUserHaiku, you blacklisted nVidia?
<LinuxUserHaiku> yes
<MelMalik> right
<MelMalik> give it a kick once your lazarus finishes installing
<MelMalik> (sorry about the slang, I forget you're Russian sometimes - "give it a kick" here means reboot it, don't literally soccer kick it)
<LinuxUserHaiku> @OscarL your wifi cards doent work because they are external, my wifi card is internal
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<OscarL> the mini pcie cards I'm talking about are internal LinuxUserHaiku :-) but their chipset doesn't has a driver, sadly.
<MelMalik> LinuxUserHaiku, that's not necessarily true - also miniPCI is internal
<MelMalik> like miniPCIe
<LinuxUserHaiku> reboot!
<MelMalik> LinuxUserHaiku, see you soon~
<LinuxUserHaiku> remind me please which file i need to enable fail-safe for always?
<MelMalik> that would be some stuff about thekernel parameters
<MelMalik> in case you need to do that long term
<LinuxUserHaiku> sorry i know
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<MelMalik> we'll talk about that if we have a problem later I suppose
<LinuxUserHaiku> ok reboit!!
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<OscarL> did he added "add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin/nvidia" and "add-ons/accelerants/nvidia.accelerant" to the "/boot/system/settings/packages" file?
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<Begasus> lol MelMalik reminded me of this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI
<MelMalik> hm?
<MelMalik> OscarL: i'll remind when they get back
<Begasus> there is a mention of "did you try to boot it" ;)
<Begasus> OscarL, for radeon I only do the one in .../bin
<MelMalik> ahf
<Begasus> not the accelerant
<OscarL> Begasus: good to know, I was guessing that with the kernel driver would be enough but... better safe than sorry :-D
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<Begasus> something at least worked HaikuUser :)
<HaikuUser> blacklisting driver didnt helped
* OscarL would really like to see the content of that "package" file to see if its correct
<Begasus> could you paste the content of your packages file?
<Begasus> heh
<HaikuUser> it has more than one line
<HaikuUser> type line-by-line?
<OscarL> some pastebin?
<HaikuUser> oh i forgot
<MelMalik> welcome HaikuUser
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<Begasus> This is mine: https://bpa.st/UGBA
<HaikuUser> @MelMalik this is i
<OscarL> Seems ok, no?
<MelMalik> < OscarL> did he added "add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin/nvidia" and "add-ons/accelerants/nvidia.accelerant" to the "/boot/system/settings/packages" file?
<MelMalik> while you were gone
<MelMalik> HaikuUser: did you have to use failsafe again or did it boot per normal?
<OscarL> Maybe the intel driver isn't working properly either?
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<MelMalik> OscarL: maybe
<OscarL> (and that's why using the fail-safe graphic option works=
<LinuxUserHaiku> in normal mode black screen
<LinuxUserHaiku> i'm on fail-safe now
<Begasus> looks ok
<OscarL> beta3 is kinda old, I think
<Begasus> beta3?
<LinuxUserHaiku> yes
<Begasus> why not nightly?
<OscarL> there were many changes regarding graphics drivers since.
<LinuxUserHaiku> i didnt upgraded
<LinuxUserHaiku> ok
<MelMalik> ah
<MelMalik> um
<Begasus> oh
<MelMalik> I need to go afk, i think i overdosed on caffeine
<OscarL> I would, for now... also blacklist the intel_extreme driver and give it a go...
<Begasus> change repository for haiku and then run "pkgman full-sync"
<OscarL> MelMalik: Been there! Take care!
<Begasus> I would try (but use at own risk Luke) :) to upgrade to nightly
<MelMalik> i'm mostly just tired and dehydrating
<LinuxUserHaiku> i already upgraded to nightly in vm. everything is fine
<MelMalik> nice
<LinuxUserHaiku> sorry i forgot repo name
<LinuxUserHaiku> can you say repo name for upgrade?
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<OscarL> Apparently, that would be: "pkgman add https://eu.hpkg.haiku-os.org/haiku/master/$(getarch)/current"
<LinuxUserHaiku> thanks
<OscarL> followed by a "pkgman full-sync" and a reboot
<LinuxUserHaiku> now wait
<LinuxUserHaiku> this is simpliest way to update system!!
<OscarL> If the updated intel_extreme driver still do not works OK for you... then you should also blacklist it, so you can at least use the VESA one and boot normally.
<LinuxUserHaiku> ok
<LinuxUserHaiku> this is veeeery faaast!!!
<OscarL> I can only update at 250 kbps for some reason.
<LinuxUserHaiku> for me too
<OscarL> Must be because I live in Argentina.
<LinuxUserHaiku> for me maybe because laptop is on chair
<Begasus> does it go faster if you put it on the table? ;)
<LinuxUserHaiku> router in kitchen
<LinuxUserHaiku> my usb flash is fast!!
<LinuxUserHaiku> @jessicah hi!'
<LinuxUserHaiku> BAD BRIGHTNESS! MY EYES...
<MelMalik> probably because it's close to the router and LU has high speed internet at home
<MelMalik> I know i know
<LinuxUserHaiku> my poor eyes..
<LinuxUserHaiku> is there chance to change brightness? Sadly there's no xrandr in haiku
<Begasus> change background, could maybe dimm it a bit
* OscarL thinks his "fastest" USB drive does 14 MB/s
<LinuxUserHaiku> Only one background
<Begasus> libxrandr-1.5.2.recipe (there is a recipe for it) :)
<LinuxUserHaiku> yes??
<Begasus> but we are not x
<OscarL> a black image is what I would use if everthing else fails :-D
<Begasus> so it won't help you
<LinuxUserHaiku> (
<LinuxUserHaiku> In xrandr i can change brightness
<OscarL> LinuxUserHaiku: what I do with my netbook is the following...
<OscarL> I use the brightness control keys while I'm on the bootloader.
<LinuxUserHaiku> I set background is black
<OscarL> It allows me to lower the brightness before booting Haiku, and it stays that way for me.
<OscarL> (I used to use the same trick with Linux a while back too)
<LinuxUserHaiku> it doent work for me
<OscarL> :-(
<LinuxUserHaiku> i tried on bootloader these keys doent work
<LinuxUserHaiku> because its internal keyboard is partially broken
<LinuxUserHaiku> i made program background of terminal black and text white
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<Begasus> I have that here also LinuxUserHaiku
<LinuxUserHaiku> i customized vision colors
<LinuxUserHaiku> now my eyes isnt poor
<LinuxUserHaiku> i love dark theme in apps
<Begasus> LinuxUserHaiku, there is "thememanager"
<Begasus> you can change choose another theme there
<LinuxUserHaiku> Where is sound manager?
<Begasus> The "Olive" one in there was from me (back in ZETA days) :)
<OscarL> LinuxUserHaiku: Deskbar->Preferences->Media?
<Begasus> click on the loudspeaker in Deskbar (right click)
<Begasus> or that :)
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<LinuxUserHaiku> found!
<OscarL> (just in case the deskbar icon doesn't appears)
<LinuxUserHaiku> will webpositive open youtube
<LinuxUserHaiku> yes!!
<LinuxUserHaiku> sound dont work
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<OscarL> time to reboot. brb
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<LinuxUserHaiku> hmm sound doent work :(((
<LinuxUserHaiku> maybe sound is mute?
<LinuxUserHaiku> hmm no sound in laptop speakers and my external speaker
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<Begasus> can't have it all :)
<LinuxUserHaiku> yees
<LinuxUserHaiku> maybe it muted?
<Begasus> but you could try opensound (not sure how it all should go there)
<LinuxUserHaiku> ok
<LinuxUserHaiku> time to exit
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<OscarL> I should try at some point to write a CPU frequency scaler driver for my CPUs... (it rans cooler with Haiku on a VBox on Win, than on bare metal).
<OscarL> But... baby steps... I also need to finish fixing my it87 driver so I can properly mesure the temps too :-D
<OscarL> I'm reviving code that I wrote in 2004, LOL.
<OscarL> (too bad that I lost so many brain cells since then)
<Begasus> lol
<Begasus> OscarL, one for temps would be nice to have I guess
<Begasus> can you compile it like it is in Terminal?
<OscarL> It actually runs already (for ITE8718 SuperIO chips)...
<Begasus> ah, probably only for those
<OscarL> you can simply "cat /dev/misc/it87"
<OscarL> and it dumps voltages and temps...
<OscarL> some readings are already fine, others need fine tunning.
<OscarL> (each motherboard can have different offsets/divisors sadly)
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<OscarL> my original "it87" supported the ITE8705 on my old PCChips motherboard (Athlon K7 times)
<Begasus> would be nice if that could be integrated in ActivityMonitor with a nice replicant :)
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<OscarL> Begasus: that's the plan... but I'm too dumo and slow... and easily distracted :-(
<MelMalik> hi hackkitten
<OscarL> *dumb
<MelMalik> er HaikuUser
<MelMalik> dizzy
<Begasus> know the feeling OscarL :D
<HaikuUser> i couldnt connect to my network from first attempt..
<HaikuUser> because app was crashed several times
<OscarL> I spent waaaay too much time trying to fix the serial_mouse driver already too :-D
<Begasus> as you said, baby steps :)
<OscarL> yup...
<Begasus> In the old days it was like, compile ... install ... run
<OscarL> and already got 2 fixes for that, with help from waddlesplash, PulkoMandy, et al :-D
<Begasus> then there were the bep files (needed to learn something new)
<Begasus> then the recipes (had to start almost from scratch there too)
<Begasus> waddlesplash, awake already? ;)
<OscarL> open project in BeIDE... hit compile :-D... now I have to convert that to makefiles :-D
<Begasus> for the record, can glib2 live without libintl?
<Begasus> tried opening it in Paladin OscarL ?
<OscarL> it worked on some of my old proj files, failed on others.
<Begasus> yeah, not all can be imported there
<OscarL> but...I like the makefile engine, so...
<OscarL> I only wanted to open those proj to see what the hell I was doing :-D
<Begasus> heh
<OscarL> (because I couldn't even remember what I needed to link to)
<HaikuUser> lazarus cant find fpc.cfg file
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<Begasus> LinuxUserHaiku, tried launching it from Terminal?
<LinuxUserHaiku> yes
<Begasus> did you extract in /boot/system/home?
<LinuxUserHaiku> yes
<LinuxUserHaiku> what i should do?
<Begasus> should be in /boot/home/fpcupdeluxe/fpc/bin/*-haiku/
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<LinuxUserHaiku> hmm, there only fp.cfg file
<Begasus> *-haiku should be x86_64-haiku
<Begasus> should be 82 items in there (looking at the one here on 32bit)
<LinuxUserHaiku> for me 81 items
<Begasus> on the 64bit I also have 82 items
<LinuxUserHaiku> i copied it from my second flash
<Begasus> links aren't always copied over, so it's not the same as extracting a zip
<LinuxUserHaiku> i need create symbolic link?
<Begasus> so if you can, delete fpcupdeluxe folder and extract the zip I sent you, that seemed to work before
<LinuxUserHaiku> ok
<Begasus> have to step out in a bit, picking one of the kids up at work
<LinuxUserHaiku> i understood
<Begasus> ;)
<LinuxUserHaiku> your kid want to see your work?
<Begasus> ?
<LinuxUserHaiku> you have kid?
<Begasus> OK, on Arch glib2 doesn't seem to depend on libintl ... maybe we could reduce cycling dependencies there waddlesplash ?
<Begasus> 4 kids, 4 grandchildren, 8 dogs, 4 pups ... (oh and my wife) ;)
<LinuxUserHaiku> i upgraded haiku to nightly
<Begasus> biab
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<LinuxUserHaiku> touchpad buttons dont work
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<matt3> dedicated to everyone ( me too ) that has love problems : https://youtu.be/5iqfXaGliq8 :D
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<Begasus> need to rebuild glib2 for checking a build without nls
<Begasus> not to myself, not all packages should depend on it
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* OscarL now needs to relearn enough bash to automate testing of pidof's argument and options handling.
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<Begasus> Almost there OscarL ?
<OscarL> Begasus: not really :-D
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<Begasus> ;)
<OscarL> I got excellent suggestion from Máximo Castañeda.
<OscarL> and I have more learning and testing ahead in order to make good on such good feedbak he and korli have given me.
<Begasus> "yes 'git mv' should do the trick" ;)
<OscarL> :-)
<Begasus> Bugger, still POLICY ERRORS when building without libintl :/
<OscarL> Sounds painful. Wish you good luck with that!
<Begasus> guessing the cmd's could go into a seperate package, but there's still libgio-2.0 and libglib-2.0 that deppends on it ...
<OscarL> I'm logging out for now, my brain doesn't really works anymore. Some sleep might help :-D
<OscarL> Take care Begasus!
<Begasus> thanks OscarL cu next :)
<Begasus> same there! ;)
<OscarL> :-)
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<Begasus> waddlesplash, haven't succeeded yet to build glib2 without libintl, done for today, but I'll check further tomorrow
<Begasus> seems some package still pulls in libintl so it gets detected during "meson build ..."
<Begasus> heading down here, cu peeps!
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<andreasdr[m]> Good night Begasus
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<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c8d1cdc783a3...95e5061ec6e5
<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] kenmays 95e5061 - QMPlay2: bump version (#7141)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 2 commits to master [hrev56388] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=fac73debbf53+%5E4f0d375c548b
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] f34e3931e88e - Deskbar: Correct sizing and placement of icons in window menus.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] fac73debbf53 - Deskbar: Compute basic metrics earlier, in TBarApp::InitSettings().
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<Vidrep_64> Hi
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 2 commits to master [hrev56389] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=bbee4c3ab6aa+%5Efac73debbf53
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 87d8b1776f8e - ShowImage: Use BControlLook::ComposeIconSize.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] bbee4c3ab6aa - ShowImage: Do not hardcode the font size of the status view.
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56390] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=3b7f223770e5+%5Ebbee4c3ab6aa
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 3b7f223770e5 - ShowImage: Appease GCC2.
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<legendaryamerican> Testing a Toshiba U50G keyboard in Haiku. non winkeyboard
<legendaryamerican> works fine. the home key doesnt work I think.
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<legendaryamerican> oic. the home key maps to alt-gr presume left alt-gr.
<legendaryamerican> the "quick" key replaces the win key.
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<legendaryamerican> the numlock turns the touchpad into a numeric keypad. that also works.
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<legendaryamerican> so. for a total haiku friendly keyboard.. you cant go wrong with the toshiba U50G
<legendaryamerican> dont need a seperate mouse!
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