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<HaikuUser2> this might seem like a dumb question but whats the file extension for a wonderbrush canvas file?
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<HaikuUser2> youd think it'd be obvious but it seems otherwise
<augiedoggie> it's probably set by mimetype instead of extension
<HaikuUser2> ah, so theres not really a standard file extension for it
<HaikuUser2> ill just save it with .wonderbrush to indicate that the file is in fact, for wonderbrush
<HaikuUser2> c(:
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<andreasdr[m]> Obscure OS?
<andreasdr[m]> LOL
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<AlienSoldier> first time i see that Mac
<andreasdr[m]> pure old OS?
<andreasdr[m]> :DDD
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<rennj> no google account on phone imagine that
<rennj> k9-mail pulls from whatever
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<B2IA> (Minox) Hi all
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<AlienSoldier> heh Minox is back from the future
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 241f109ccbc1 - View: provide the transform between different coordinate spaces
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56593] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=241f109ccbc1+%5E423e3645e150
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56594] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=96db3233c8b7+%5E241f109ccbc1
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 96db3233c8b7 - HaikuPorts/x86_64: Synchronize.
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5cdd8269152a...fa4439541a38
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash fa44395 - mesa: Tweak for secondary arch rebuild.
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56595] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=75fa60f74ad4+%5E96db3233c8b7
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 75fa60f74ad4 - HaikuPorts/x86_gcc2: Synchronize, and adjust TIFFTranslator to match.
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<netpositive> morning
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/fa4439541a38...16864d996acd
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 16864d9 - botan, bump version (#7396)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/16864d996acd...9c93aafe4a54
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] davidkaroly 9c93aaf - libpcap: bump to 1.10.1 (#7402)
<Begasus> morning netpositive
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/9c93aafe4a54...df9190a2efb2
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus df9190a - botan, add patch for configure.py for cmd:python3 (#7403)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/df9190a2efb2...1d68e309cebf
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] davidkaroly 1d68e30 - qputty: clean up recipe (#7405)
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<Begasus> re
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<Begasus> QMplay2 running fine here
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<Luca91> Hi all, do you want an hand to complete the localization of the couple of apps stuck a 95% on kacperkasper?
<Luca91> I have a couple of hours of free time now, so I can do it if you give me the auth needed.
<Luca91> forgot to say: I can translate them in IT-it
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<Begasus> 'lo humdinger
<Begasus> hi Luca91
<humdinger> huhu!
<Begasus> Done for the translations for Haiku, for the apps there is still quite some work to be done for Dutch ;)
<Luca91> hi Begasus, I see that many apps are stuck at 95-96% for the italian translation, like for example this one: https://i18n.kacperkasper.pl/projects/6
<humdinger> Luca91: wanna help out? :)
<Begasus> ;)
<Luca91> yep, I have a couple of hours of free time, so if you want I can complete some of the italian localizations
<Begasus> Luca91, quite some applications in Dutch are not translated at all, doesn't mean the apps will not be included :)
<Begasus> PS, QMplay on 64bit runs fine here (radio stream)
<humdinger> Luca91: great! You're ready to go!
<Luca91> Begasus: yeah, but I can't help with Dutch, sorry. I offered to complete the italian localization because that's my mother tongue :)
<Begasus> Luca91, humdinger is the guy to talk to when it comes to translations :)
<Luca91> thanks humdinger
<Begasus> np Luca91 , wan't meant as :)
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<Luca91> Begasus: also, now that I've the pleasure to have a chat with you, I'd like to personally thank you for your hint regarding the addition of my software in haikuports (last year, on the forum) :D
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<OscarL> Hello there Begasus. Regarding the QMPlay2 thing... just installed int on 64 bits beta4... it complains about a missing libFFmpeg.so as well (and play do not work).
<OscarL> Do you happent to have the ffmpegthumbnailer package installed?
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<Begasus> Luca91, lost me there, but doesn't matter :) Thanks!
<OscarL> (I as because that's the only thing that gets mentioned after a "pkgman search lib:libffmeg")
<Begasus> Hi OscarL ! don't have the thumbnailer installed here
<OscarL> "CTRL+F libffmpeg.so" gives you anything?
<OscarL> Mmm that's a module under QMPlay2... let's see if I can find out why it can't load it.
<Begasus> biab
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<Begasus> Updating 64bit to hrev56595 atm and will do a new check in a bit, so far no changes related to ffmpeg (the only one I could think of is the new yt-dlp version, but doesn't seem to matter here)
<Begasus> still OK here after the update
<Begasus> food ... bbl :)
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<OscarL> Found the problem with QMPlay2.
<OscarL> It is missing a dependency on ffmpeg5_avdevice
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<OscarL> I've manually installed that package, and now QMPlay2 does not complains about not being able to load the libFFmpeg.so module, and videos can played (not sure about how well.. I'm testing on a slow VM with slow network :-D)
<OscarL> AlienSoldier: try with "pkgman install ffmpeg5_avdevice" and see if that solves your QMPlay2 issues.
<AlienSoldier> thanx , trying it right now
<OscarL> You might need to use "pkgman install ffmpeg5_avdevice_x86" instead on 32 btis.
<OscarL> BTW, it is nice to recognize a nick (like yours) that goes so far back :-D
<AlienSoldier> *** Failed to find a match for "ffmpeg5_avdevice_x86": Name not found
<OscarL> without the _x86 ?
<OscarL> "ffmpeg5_avdevice" seems to be the name for 32 bits too.
<AlienSoldier> OscarL in haiku depot there is one without the x86 and one with the x86 before the avdevice
<OscarL> Mmm not sure then :-D
<AlienSoldier> going by the old trick of using the largest binary :)
<OscarL> Try first the one without?
<OscarL> *without _x86, I mean... if that doesn't works, try the other one :-P
<AlienSoldier> did you need to reboot?
<OscarL> No.
<AlienSoldier> to have the change take effect
<AlienSoldier> ok
<OscarL> Apparently, QMPlay2 for 32 bits is build with "x86" secondary arch, so I would assume it needs the x86 version of that "ffmpeg5_x86_avdevice"
<AlienSoldier> OscarL work great now
<AlienSoldier> i installed bothin the end
<OscarL> Nice! Then that's the issue... a missing dependency on the QMPlay2 recipe (or a missing dependency on one of the ffmpeg* packages, I guess).
<AlienSoldier> VLC is fine but at some scaling multiple it skip frames for me, so i always need to fidle a few pixel with it and it is not as simple as putting it fullscreen
<AlienSoldier> and mediaplayer cut parts of subtitles
<OscarL> My PC is too slow and runs too hot to use Haiku for video playback :-D
<AlienSoldier> for mediaplayer i suspect a invalidate() function call is missing because when i constently resize the window subtitle display fine.
<AlienSoldier> i assume the subtitle in mediaplayer will need to be fixed for next beta
<AlienSoldier> i use sub a lot, not just for foreing movies but also for those talkless youtube video that use scene description and precision that way.
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<OscarL> I'm a big user of subtitles too. Last time I used MediaPlayer's ones... ended up opening a ticket asking for a bigger font size :-D
<AlienSoldier> there is a setting for that now i think
<AlienSoldier> videoplayback is pretty nice for me, but i have screen tearing a bit :(
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<AlienSoldier> yes, there is size and subtitle placement
<OscarL> yeah... I'm not picky about resolution or vide quality... but screen tearing... solid no no for me :-(
<AlienSoldier> in video it's passable, in videogame it is indeed a plague
<OscarL> My issue was that the "Larger" setting was not near large enough (to watch from a distance, for example)
<AlienSoldier> i am still in VESA at the moment, my ATI (Kabini) is not supported.
<AlienSoldier> good point, perhpas a slider would be better for sub
<AlienSoldier> or even better, being able to manipulate the size of it with the mouse
<AlienSoldier> i still miss being able to grab a frame from the screen. i rarely use the window grab in the center, i always use the tab anyway.
<OscarL> Or dropping videos in 3dMov :-D
<AlienSoldier> i think that behavior should be selectable in a menu and have the default like it was in R5
<AlienSoldier> It should even be mirrored in web+, so we can graba frame from there too
<AlienSoldier> *grab a
<AlienSoldier> for consistency sake
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<OscarL> BrunoSpr: hello...
<OscarL> regarding your QMPlay2 issue...
<OscarL> see if the following also fixes it for you:
<OscarL> "pkgman install ffmpeg5_x86_avdevice"
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<BrunoSpr> hello all
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<BrunoSpr> I will do an update and then try again to run Qmplay2 should work, I saw ytdl in the update
<BrunoSpr> It is yt_dlp-2022.10.04
<BrunoSpr> The new one is yt_dlp-2022.11.11-1
<OscarL> the issue with not being able to load libFFmpeg.so is not an issue with yt-dl, but with a missing dependency on ffmpeg_avdevice.
<BrunoSpr> ok I will try.... updating!
<OscarL> BrunoSpr: I saw in the IRC logs that you posted this one: https://0x0.st/o64k.png
<BrunoSpr> yes I will try to install
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<Begasus> Hi BrunoSpr
<Begasus> Checked QMplay2 on both arches earlier, both work fine here :)
<OscarL> Begasus: because you already have ffmpeg5_avdevice installed, I would assume :-D
<OscarL> I had to manually install that package to make it work.
<Begasus> OscarL, if that is the case the recipe should mention that as a dependenccy :)
<Begasus> Booting Haiku to do a quick check ...
<OscarL> Yup... seems like a missing dependency... and it even makes sense, if you see it's lats PR.
<Begasus> Ah right!
<Begasus> Enabled but not added to dependencies
<OscarL> exactly.
<OscarL> it needs libavdevice.so.59
<Begasus> Yep installed here
<OscarL> from ffmpeg5_avdevice, as the older one has the .so.58 version.
<Begasus> hmm got both ffmpeg4 and ffmpeg5 avdevice packages installed :)
<OscarL> I found that by using this command: "readelf -d /system/apps/QMPlay2/modules/libFFmpeg.so | grep NEEDED", and seeing if I had the mentioned .so files in my system.
<OscarL> Begasus: lots of other packages pull those dependencies...Blender, mpv, qtox, etc, etc.
<OscarL> I had nono of those installed, so I guess I was missing it too.
<OscarL> *none
<Begasus> Looks like the ffmpeg4 package isn't needed
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<Begasus> right see it also here (with readelf)
<Begasus> k, heading down here, nice catch OscarL ! now you can create a PR to fix it :)
<OscarL> ouch! :-D
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<OscarL> I was hoping you'll do that... I don't want to download all of QT to try :-D
<OscarL> heh hehe
<OscarL> Take care, Begasus, See you soon!
<Begasus> I can have a look in the morning :)
<Begasus> cu peeps!
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<BrunoSpr> It works now
<BrunoSpr> Hey Begasus...
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<BrunoSpr> I had to manually install that package to make it work.
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<OscarL> BrunoSpr: we where just discussing that. He'll try to fix the recipe tomorrow if he can (as I don't have all the necessary QT devel stuff to test locally and do it myself).
<OscarL> Anyway... my "work" is done for today :-P.
<BrunoSpr> I am on 64bit now so I had to use ffmpeg5_avdevice and not pkgman install ffmpeg5_x86_avdevice
<OscarL> BrunoSpr: makes sense.
<BrunoSpr> But it works now
<OscarL> See you later AlienSoldier, BrunoSpr, et all.
* OscarL signs off.
<BrunoSpr> tomorrow begasus will compile it for Beta 4
<BrunoSpr> bye
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<Luca91> humdinger: ok, now all applications have 100% italian localization, except MidiSynth, as I don't have the required music/audio knowledge to correctly localize it
<humdinger> fantastic!
<humdinger> mille grazie
<Luca91> prego, nessun problema :P
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<Luca91> humdinger: when beta4 will be released I'd like to try to use it for a week as daily driver. It would be cool to see if I can do my work using it
<Luca91> I'll report on the forum my experience
<humdinger> good! depends what you're doing, it can be great or a dramatic fail... :)
<Luca91> humdinger: professional progreammer an reverse-engineer/binary analyst... i see that redasm was ported to haiku ;)
<humdinger> I suppose it depends on how ou deal with the available IDEs, or without those
<Luca91> as far as i'm able to build stuff from termianl, I shouldn't have too much issues... cmake is avalable, so is maven
<humdinger> If you're happy with just an editor, it could be fine.
<Luca91> i can survive with that, yeah
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<AlienSoldier> BrunoSpr i broke my QMplay2 again
<AlienSoldier> after upgrading to 56595
<AlienSoldier> can't get it to work by adding lib like last time as they already are active
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<HaikuUser2> Hello hello!
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<HaikuUser2> well
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<HaikuUser2> Good night
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<BrunoSpr> AlienSoldier you need to install: pkgman install ffmpeg5_avdevice
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<BrunoSpr> AlienSoldier... or pkgman install ffmpeg5_x86_avdevice for 32bit
<BrunoSpr> Begasus will compile it tomorrow
<AlienSoldier> yep, but it is already installed, only thing that changed is that i updated haiku just after it working and now it don't
<AlienSoldier> hopefully Begasus rebuild willl clean thsi mess
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<BrunoSpr> AlienSoldier, it is not ffmpeg thats missing!
<BrunoSpr> As far as i understood it is even not neccessary!?
<BrunoSpr> AlienSoldier... just have a look at the logs and read what Oscar and Begasus were talking about: https://oftc.irclog.whitequark.org/haiku/2022-11-13
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/1d68e309cebf...0414d67794f2
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie 0414d67 - drumcircle: cleanup, add resources and deskbar symlink (#7406)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0414d67794f2...ac295679bfd7
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie ac29567 - drumcircle: fix patch name (#7407)
<AlienSoldier> got QMplay working again, i wonder if there was not a lib kicking in before another
<AlienSoldier> will see if it work again with a reboot and another install later
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<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haiku/infrastructure/compare/70318c623aa7...87a40d6fa721
<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 cf783d1 - concourse: include sources on official image builds
<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 87a40d6 - concourse: Fully drop irc resource on bootstrap pipeline
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [hrev56596] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=a2ea46c6ed36+%5E75fa60f74ad4
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] a2ea46c6ed36 - release: Bump image size to 800MiB. Sorry CD-R