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<waddlesplash>
augiedoggie: possibly kallisti5[m] Ctrl+C'd it
<waddlesplash>
he should be working on upgrading those today
<waddlesplash>
mjg: days
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<mjg>
waddlesplash: cool, thanks
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<x512[m]>
It it possible to force to reregister apllication in MIME database?
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<noobiest>
hello there
<noobiest>
I am confused about this error
<noobiest>
while I was building the raw image for Haiku from source
<noobiest>
```
<noobiest>
`ERROR: The certificate of ‘eu.hpkg.haiku-os.org’ has expired.`
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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
<netpositive>
morning
<Begasus>
morning netpositive
<Begasus>
did something changed at buildmaster?
<Begasus>
Warning: failure creating the build package:
<Begasus>
Error: Build has failed - stopping.
<Begasus>
on both 32bit and 64bit atm
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<Begasus>
morning OscarL !
<OscarL>
Hello there, dear Begasus!
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<OscarL>
Regarding the packages buildmasters... seems to me that both kallisti5[m] and mmlr should have a chat regarding the hangs/restarts/how-to-debug-what's-going-on-lately :-P
<Begasus>
yes :) no point in merging atm when something is fishy going on there
<OscarL>
I sadly can't contribute much, besides pointing out when things seems to go wrong.
<OscarL>
Not much :-)... I was reffereing to a particular change made by waddlesplash... where I asked if the rest of the "python" recipes should also be renamed... eg: "python38" -> "python3.8"
<Begasus>
ah :)
<OscarL>
Seems like github does not sents notifications for comments regarding commits...
<Begasus>
If so I think you should provide both python310 and python3.10 in PROVIDES as in python3.9
<OscarL>
I already missed some of your comments on some of my changes due to that, I think.
<Begasus>
Also didn't receive a notice on the ticket I filed that was closed ...
<Begasus>
Time for the dogs, biab
<OscarL>
Enjoy the dogs, dear Begasus!
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<Begasus>
re
<Begasus>
scummvm builds ok now :)
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<netpositive>
great!
<Begasus>
latest 32bit version already available at the depot :)
<Begasus>
It means the fix for wchar.h worked :)
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<Begasus>
Looks like the one for 64bit also made it :)
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<Begasus>
moin humdinger
<humdinger>
morning!
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<Begasus>
humdinger, can you still run Koder after the recent updates on Haiku?
<Begasus>
getting a missing signal here :/
<humdinger>
I'm on hrev56563.
<humdinger>
is that too old?
<Begasus>
hrev56578 here
<Begasus>
I think that one from you still should be ok
<humdinger>
at least koder still works.
<humdinger>
tried to re-build?
<Begasus>
srcGitRev needs new scintilla
<Begasus>
but haven't tried current one :)
<Begasus_32>
~> Koder
<Begasus_32>
runtime_loader: /boot/system/apps/Koder: Could not resolve symbol '_ZTIN8BPrivate8BToolBarE'
<Begasus_32>
resolve symbol "_ZTIN8BPrivate8BToolBarE" returned: -2147478780
<Begasus_32>
runtime_loader: /boot/system/apps/Koder: Troubles relocating: Symbol not found
<PulkoMandy>
libshared should be added to its libraries
<Begasus>
doing a clean rebuild for koder atm (with no changes)
<augiedoggie>
that's all i needed for a couple of my apps
<Begasus>
x512[m], isn't libshared already part of Haiku then?
<x512[m]>
It is, but its symbols was also exported from libbe.so etc..
<Begasus>
ok, rebuild is fine
<PulkoMandy>
it is part of haiku, but it is a static library. The idea is that the things in libshared are copied in all apps that use it
<PulkoMandy>
but it has a lot of stuff in it, and other libs started to depend on it, and re-exporting things as shared symbols (not copied, but used from the dynamic libraries)
<PulkoMandy>
and a lot of apps started to use these symbols instead of copying them. And now they're gone
<Begasus>
I'm guessing those apps will need a rebuild after beta4 is released?
<augiedoggie>
it would help to rebuild them now if the buildmaster was working
<augiedoggie>
er, i guess it's still on beta 3
<Begasus>
yep
<humdinger>
nielx[m]: I think I read someone suggesting to move "shared" before "bnetapi" in the Weather makefile. I'm on an older hrev, so I cannot test atm.
<nielx[m]>
humdinger: I htink the makefile was actually changed after the issue was reported, so I think it is fixed
<Begasus>
nice Pe working again also :D
<Begasus>
checking weather with the latest commit
<humdinger>
nielx[m]: I now fetched changes, and Makefile is changed. I seem to have got it wrong, "shared" is second to last entry for LIBS.
<Begasus>
My replicant was gone also (just noticed) :)
<Begasus>
Build is OK and replicant back up
<humdinger>
great. I'll close that issue then.
<Begasus>
just needs a rebuild after beta4 I guess (or a local rebuild)
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<Begasus>
wip on buildmaster, thanks kallisti5[m] :)
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<matt3>
love ...
<Begasus>
hi matt3
<matt3>
hi Begasus, nice to talk to you ... :D
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<matt3>
Begasus, the pegasus of the beos/haiku ... ;D
<Begasus>
;)
<matt3>
hi AtomoZero
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<Begasus>
biab
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<OscarL>
Thanks Begasus, for joinining me with your +1, to my: "Not much to add, but: Thanks for your work!" message to mmlr on github :-)
<andreasdr[m]>
Good morning
<OscarL>
So many long-time contributors deserve, at least one, Thanky You! message from time to time, no?
<OscarL>
Hello there, andreasdr[m].
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<Begasus>
np OscarL :)
<Begasus>
moin andreasdr[m]
<Begasus>
And indeed OscarL :)
<OscarL>
:-)
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<Begasus>
k, let's do some Dutch translations ... :)
<andreasdr[m]>
:)
<OscarL>
Only Dutch I know is van Rossum... when I asked him "why is ':' necessary at all at the end of line?" and he replied to me, basically "because it looks nicer". Almost dropped Python just there :-P
<OscarL>
(good thing I didn't, otherwise I would be homeless :-D)
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<netpositive>
OscarL: you can't be sure about that ;)
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<OscarL>
netpositive: but I *almost* can :-)
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<Begasus>
Webpositive needs a rebuild also (not going there) :)
<OscarL>
netpositive: let me put it this way... it was a really good timing between me having some "good years" (re: me being bipolar), and me choosing Python (despite knowing almost nothing about it) to replace the nighmare system I was tasked to work on as an intern... What allowed me, after 7 years of hard work, to buy the little house where I live in, and the house that feeds me (I rent that one, and eat from what I get from it).
<OscarL>
Begasus: from yesterday's logs...
<OscarL>
> <Vidrep_64> PulkoMandy, will doing a git pull of HaikuWebKit (master) and a build correct the issue?
<OscarL>
> <PulkoMandy> Yes, for webkit, madmax already fixed it earlier today
<Begasus>
updated system earlier today, so on the latest hrev (afaik), missing symbol for WebPositive :)
<PulkoMandy>
I will prepare a new webkit release, it's building right now
<OscarL>
:-( In any case... building webkit doesn't sounds particuarly "fun" (specially on old CPUs :-D)
<PulkoMandy>
I had to update to a newer webkit to fix one bug (crash on exit) but then I hit another bug (100% CPU use when trying to use google images)
<PulkoMandy>
even on new CPUs it takes something like 45 minutes
<OscarL>
And there's my cue to give a HUGE.... THANK YOU PulkoMandy! for all your Haiku related work!
<PulkoMandy>
usually I try to start a build in the evening and let it run overnight
<PulkoMandy>
well I do my best to keep it usable for myself :D
<Begasus>
same here PulkoMandy for larger projects :)
<Begasus>
and in the meantime we all benifit from it +1
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<tqh>
wonder if we can setup a github action for it..
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<BrunoSpr>
hello all... I will ask again, since no one seems to read the channel logs.: It would be better not to update Haiku nightlys until Beta 4 is out!
<PulkoMandy>
for building webkit? maybe, but we have to run the build inside an haiku virtual machine
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<OscarL>
So... where's /boot/system/var/shared_memory currently storing stuff then? I've used that a few weeks ago, and stuff stored there was lost after a reboot, as I expected. I've assumed it was using some sort of in-RAM only storage.
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<x512[m]>
OscarL: No, currently it is regular on-disk directory.
<x512[m]>
So it cause disk activity when accessed.
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<OscarL>
x512[m]: I see, thanks. So... I assume the test I did "worked" (data being properly-gone after reboot) due to some other issue/bug then?
<OscarL>
btw... x512[m]... thanks for all your Haiku-related work, man. Really appreciated!
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<Vidrep_64>
Hi
<OscarL>
hey there, Vidrep_64.
<Vidrep_64>
PulkoMandy, I got this error when compiling HaikuWebKit with the most recent changes
<Vidrep_64>
CMake Error at /boot/system/data/cmake/Modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:230 (message):
<Vidrep_64>
Could NOT find AVIF (missing: AVIF_INCLUDE_DIR AVIF_LIBRARY) (Required is
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<x512[m]>
Vidrep_64: Install libavif?
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<OscarL>
mmm, the "ne_x86" (3.3.2) package installed from pkgman has some re-drawing issues that I did not see when building/installing it locally :-(
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* OscarL
thinkgs "ne" is just trolling him at this point :-D
<Begasus>
hi Vidrep_64
<matt3>
ne555
<Vidrep_64>
Hi Beg
<Vidrep_64>
Hi Begasus
<Begasus>
;)
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<OscarL>
Oh... come on "ne"! You have to be kidding me!
<OscarL>
Seems to work fine on files with syntax-highlighting enabled (as intended with my latest recipe changes)... but now, on plain txt files, it has redrawing issues when using the drop-down menu :-(
<matt3>
yeah, OscarL ... we need an ide like visualbasic or gambas
<matt3>
lazarus is already ok ... ;D
<OscarL>
matt3: I wouldn't mind having Delphi 7 for Haiku :-D (Lazarus is a bit too big for my taste, but I guess I'll have to install it in the end, at least to build CudaText agains latests Python versions)
<matt3>
i have installed lazarus with fsp... an installer or fp... something
<matt3>
now formatted the usb key, but i could redo it
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<Begasus>
Done! :)
<Begasus>
Now heading out to grandchildren, cu later peeps!
<OscarL>
later Begasus!
<matt3>
later ...
<OscarL>
Welp... seems like the "ne" redrawing issue (on plain txt files only) was there even on my locally built version (at least on 32 bit install) :-(
<matt3>
txt from stylededit with color attr ?
<OscarL>
noup. Simply any txt. ne is a "console" editor you can use from Terminal, or over ssh, for example.
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<OscarL>
kind of the "good old" edit.exe from DOS days.
<matt3>
ah, ok, so find ie bwindow => draw to video in yellow ...
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<matt3>
ah, OscarL : try nan and pico in linux ...
<matt3>
ops nano and pico
<Vidrep_64>
It looks like HaikuWebKit has an additional dependency since my last attempt to build yesterday - libavif_devel
<PulkoMandy>
Vidrep_64, yes, new dependency, webkit people added AVIF images support and made it required
<OscarL>
already use nano with some changed keybindings, matt3. Still do not like it, thus... me trying to find something else :-D
<matt3>
no emacs ... oher editor ok ...
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<OscarL>
matt3: I want a text-mode editor that allows me to use, by defaul, the same keybinding as any other GUI editor :-)
<OscarL>
Ah.... so nice! it seems the HDD with my Haiku installs just went Kaput. I think I should just unplug for today :-(
<sanzfc>
Is qmplay2 broken in Haiku Development hrev56580?
<matt3>
GUI of a language ?
<OscarL>
Have a good one, everyone! See you all later.
<matt3>
cu
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<sanzfc>
Webpositive too?
<Vidrep_64>
PulkoMandy, I had a crash on quit yesterday after building HaikuWebKit. It was after viewing images on DuckDuckGo
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<Vidrep_64>
Perhaps related to the Google images crash you mentioned in a ticket
<sanzfc>
I upgraded from Beta1 to Development
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<Vidrep_64>
PulkoMandy, HaikuWebKit failing to build now
<Vidrep_64>
What changed since yesterday?
<PulkoMandy>
I merged more changes from webkit this morning to fix the crash on exit bug
<PulkoMandy>
but it introduced a new bug (as I mentionned in a ticket, going to google image uses 100% CPU in some webkit code and the browser freezes there)
<PulkoMandy>
I had no build problems however
<Vidrep_64>
I've deleted the Release directory and started over, but it continues to fail with the same error
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<Vidrep_64>
Maybe "third time the charm". It's seems to be building now
<Vidrep_64>
Hey Begasus, thanks for your efforts keeping Haikuports humming along
<Vidrep_64>
PulkoMandy, failed again (on 64 bit build)
<Vidrep_64>
Do you want a copy of the terminal output?
<PulkoMandy>
probably I should do a clean build here and see if I get the same problem
<PulkoMandy>
terminal output can help too if you can
<Vidrep_64>
Quick reboot
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<PulkoMandy>
ah, yes, they turned some compiler warnings into errors, I'll see how to disable that
<Vidrep_64>
PulkoMandy, yesterday, out of curiosity, I ran a Clang Static Analysis build of HaikuWebKit. I can provide the report if it's of any help tracking down bugs
<PulkoMandy>
I already have another report to analyze and had no time for that :/ (provided by someone who was testing static analysis tool for their paid job and decided to use haiku sourcecode as a sample)
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<Vidrep_64>
Oh well :)
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<BrunoSpr>
@sanzfc yes qmplay2 is broken
<BrunoSpr>
#sanzfc and Web+ seems to be broken too... (or is it because of hblock?)
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<matt3>
BrunoSpr : do you like SanSouci ?
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<BrunoSpr>
matt3 0 you mean?
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<andreasdr[m]>
Hi whats up?
<BrunoSpr>
SanSouc?
<andreasdr[m]>
What this?
<DanielDoran[m]>
Hey Haiku bros I installed a 32-bit VM.
<DanielDoran[m]>
What are some good BeOS apps that will run on Haiku?
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<jmairboeck>
is there a way to add a package to the haikuporter chroot "ad-hoc" when being inside? (haikuporter -E)
<jmairboeck>
exiting, adding a requirement, deleting files (because of the build-package activation issue) and re-entering is a bit cumbersome
<DanielDoran[m]>
<_Dario_> "you are asking specifically..." <- Yes
<Vidrep_64>
DanielDoran[m], all of the open source BeOS apps currently working on Haiku can be found at https://github.com/HaikuArchives
<Begasus>
Not all are open source :) (eg Refraction, Pixel32 ...) :)
<Begasus>
Insite Constructor (IIRC the name) still worked fine last time I checked
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<Begasus>
PS Vidrep_64 thanks (I'm only one of many) :)
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<Begasus>
heading down here, cu peeps!
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<divad27182>
Hi. I'm trying to play with Haiku using xen. And it works, in HVM. Does Haiku work in PV mode? If so, what do I give as the kernel?
<n0toose[m]>
divad27182, does the mouse work in HVM?
<n0toose[m]>
i tested it on my own at some point and experienced problems on that front
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<divad27182>
mouse had no problems.
<divad27182>
actually, biggest problem so far: It is hard to convince it to redo DHCP.
<divad27182>
ok... well, there is the issue that the mouse doesn't follow the VNC cursor properly....
<divad27182>
which is what PV will fix if haiku can do a PV boot
<divad27182>
(This is a general issue for VNC, actually. If the VNC isn't to the OS, then the VNC client cursor and server cursor can't be synced up.)
<divad27182>
So: where do I get the kernel for Haiku?
<divad27182>
ok. I found /boot/system/kernel_x86_64 but XEN won't run it.
<PulkoMandy>
the kernel is not Linux so I doubt that will work
<divad27182>
so back to the first question: can Haiku run xen PV ?
<divad27182>
run in xen PV
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<divad27182>
Alternate question: Is there a VNC server for Haiku?
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<divad27182>
Answer: There is a vncserver available, it doesn't work with a 24 bit display, and it has weird debugging information in the top left corner.
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<andreasdr[m]>
Arrr. I am a mighty pirate.
<andreasdr[m]>
Ooops. Wrong channel LOL
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<x512[m]>
🤔
<andreasdr[m]>
x512: How is it going?
<andreasdr[m]>
:)
<x512[m]>
Fixed some bugs to make POSIX SHM API working (needed for Wayland).