02:50 <steev> man, that 64gb x1e would come in really handy right about now, trying to open this 517MB svg

02:54 <HdkR> Would be nice but minimum four days remaining :)

03:09 <steev> pretty sure this minifier i found ain't gonna minify it before then

17:07 <steev> dgilmore: do you have an x86_64 box?

17:14 <dgilmore> steev: I do have one. What do you need?

17:15 <steev> if you have podman or docker on there, can you pull in the arm64 docker container of rawhide and see what time it takes to install python3.11.aarch64 on it? (ideally, download the package and its dependencies first, then install so that network download speeds don't affect the timings

17:16 <steev> something like `podman run --arch arm64 --rm -it --pull always fedora:rawhide`

17:16 <dgilmore> I can

17:19 <steev> redbeard did rhel but they're still on like python3.8 not 3.11.9

17:33 <steev> dgilmore: is there a way to tell which version of gcc a package is built with?

17:33 <dgilmore> steev: easiest way is to look at koji

17:35 <dgilmore> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=2461766 is the most recent python3.12 build

17:36 <dgilmore> its build logs say gcc-14.1.1

17:39 <steev> blerg, okay

17:40 <dgilmore> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpmlist?buildrootID=51404298&type=component

17:40 <steev> ohhh that's how to find it, thanks

17:43 <dgilmore> No problem. What are you trying to figure out?

17:44 <steev> if this is debian specific or more widespread

17:45 <steev> basically, on debian since cve 2023-4039 patch was applied to gcc, using python while emulating arm64 on amd64, the performance is magnitudes slower. like something that took 52s now takes 3m52s

17:45 <steev> i'm not sure if it's because on debian they do post install hooks and fedora doesn't seem to, or what

17:46 <steev> i tried to make a perf timechart, however, the resulting svg from it is 517MB and i just don't have a system here powerful enough to open it

17:46 <steev> s/powerful enough/with enough ram/

17:47 <dgilmore> My desktop has 384GiB I could probably get it opened later if you need me to. I could then make a PNG

17:49 <steev> i'm still trying to figure out where the hell i can upload it because i don't normally do cloud stuff, and, the server i used to have, work said no more :(

17:52 <steev> i do wish i could make this issue public, just so i could share everything i've trogged through

17:52 <steev> sadly, the repo itself is an internal one to track developer things

17:52 <dgilmore> Fedora and rpm have some post install scriplets not sure how different they are

17:52 <dgilmore> Ahh okay

17:53 <steev> there's this weird timeout thing going on in debian but i don't know where the issue itself comes from (thus the perf timings)

17:53 <steev> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/koxENePF/

17:54 <steev> nothice how it just sits there for 2 1/2 minutes (and unfortunately, thats the most debugging i can get out of dpkg)

17:57 <steev> with debian though, it's gcc 13.2.0-4 not gcc 14, so i almost wonder

18:01 <steev> by comparison, if you do the install on debian stable, the timing is basically the same as y'all get, and if you do the install on debian testing/sid it shows that 3m increase

18:01 <dgilmore> Definitely a weird issue Fedora 40 has gcc 14.0.1 in its most recent python 3.11 build

18:02 <steev> yeah, i'm gonna see about installing gcc 14 and building the package and attempting the install then and see what happens, maybe it's a performance regression with 13 and the fix hasn't been backported?

18:02 <dgilmore> Fedora 39 has gcc 13.2.1

18:02 <dgilmore> It could be

18:03 <steev> i'm not sure which version of gcc 13 has the patch though, the **cve** patch isn't mentioned in the release changelog

18:19 <dgilmore> That's less than helpful

18:20 <dgilmore> Sorry for slow replies. I'm on the train to Prague and keep losing connectivity

18:27 <lollaritits[m]> <dgilmore> "Sorry for slow replies. I'm on..." <- which train?

18:27 <dgilmore> lollaritits[m]: 370

18:33 <steev> no worries at all, it's the weekend

18:42 <lollaritits[m]> <dgilmore> "lollar (it/its): 370" <- ah CD railjet

18:42 <lollaritits[m]> cool

19:34 <steev> wth

19:35 <steev> 3.11.9 goes from 3m to 6m. eehs

19:35 <steev> and that's built with gcc 14

19:35 <steev> but, it's a snapshot from march, not 14.1.1

19:36 <steev> unstable has 14.1.0 though, so maybe i'll try that