<sam___>
I looked through the asahi installer commits, to my understanding the m2 air is now supported as a normal install?
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<Glanzmann>
Sam___: m2 air is working for a long time.
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<Glanzmann>
jmr2: I always use git fetch -a -t which seems to get all the commits and tags.
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<sam___>
Glanzmann: Ok I see. Though my M2 came preloaded with 13.0 so I assume I would have to downgrade that to use the normal installation mode?
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<Glanzmann>
Sam___: All m2 came with macos 13. So just install it and see if it works. It is working since 25th August at least. Anyway I need to run.
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<marcan>
Sam___: you never have to downgrade anything, you only have to *upgrade* if you have an ancient macOS version (which is impossible on M2)
* marcan
wonders if all these crazy ideas about downgrades being necessary / upgrades breaking things come from people used to jailbreaking and hostile manufacturers...
<sam___>
marcan: thats more or less why haha, I'm not used to using apple products, I just sort of assumed the worst going into it
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<marcan>
it's a computer, not an iPhone or a PS5 :p
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<ayke>
I can't seem to get AP mode working in NetworkManager (both with the iwd and with the wpa_supplicant backends - they fail with different error message). Is this a known issue?
<ayke>
I have a MBP M1 Pro
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<ayke>
(also found that wpa_supplicant doesn't have a particular unrelated bug I was having with iwd, which is a nice discovery)
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<mkurz>
On my macBook Pro, Asahi tells me that the battery capacity is 83,9177 percent after 92 cycles, however macOS says battery capacity is 98% after also 92 cycles. Why do they report different stats? Is there a problem or is my battery fucked?
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<delsol>
what do they claim max capacity and current capacity it?
<mkurz>
From Asahi: energy-full: 45,972 Wh energy-full-design: 54,675 Wh energy-rate: 8,649 W voltage: 12,066 V
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<ncl>
mAh vs Wh i guess but funny if you do eg energy-full-design/DesignCapacity you get 9.0 but it should? == voltage (12) ?
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<mkurz>
For me it seems Asahi calculates the battery health based on the "DesignCapacity", however Apple uses either the "AppleRawMaxCapacity" or the ""NominalChargeCapacity". OK I get that. However what pisses me off a bit is that "NominalChargeCapacity" and ""AppleRawMaxCapacity" are much much lower than the advertised "DesignCapacity"
<mkurz>
I get that battery capacity varies on new devices and some may have 99% or 98% of the actual advertised capacity, because of the nature of batteries. However I don't get when or how they set "NominalChargeCapacity" or "AppleRawMaxCapacity"
<mkurz>
For exammple "NominalChargeCapacity" is only about 86% of the "DesignCapacity"...
<mkurz>
So they kind of lie to you, they just set the value to a much lower value (maybe when first turning on the device) so it looks like the battery has full capacity, which it has not...
<mkurz>
so they only show you percentage but not raw values (had to type in some terminal commands to get that values, in their system info dialog they don't show that)
<mkurz>
Can someone with a MacBook Pro 14" let me now their values of "upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_macsmc_battery"?
<mkurz>
Like energy-full, energy-full-design and charge-cycles, thanks, I would be very interested what others have here
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<ncl>
> For exammple "NominalChargeCapacity" is only about 86% of the "DesignCapacity"..
<ncl>
did you turn on 'optimized battery charging' in macos
<mkurz>
ncl: yes it's turned on
<mkurz>
Maybe that is the reason, however would that mean that I this settings is carried over the Asahi?
<mkurz>
So I guess I have to restart, turn it off and see what happens after a while, if the values go up
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<mps>
/sys/class/power_supply/macsmc-battery/charge_control_start_threshold and /sys/class/power_supply/macsmc-battery/charge_control_end_threshold are in 6.1.0-2
<j`ey>
mps: the alarm repo still has asahi-6.1-2
<j`ey>
hm
<mps>
it is in asahi-6.1-2
<mps>
Toggle commit message
<mps>
uhm
<mps>
sorry
<jannau>
"power: supply: macsmc_power: Implement charge thresholds" is only in asahi-6.1-3
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<mps>
hm, I was sure that I'm using 6.1-2
<mps>
let me check
<j`ey>
I guess you upgraded!
<soonercane>
Whoa, IRC, haven't been here for about 20 years haha!
<mps>
j`ey: yes, I see I did but forgot
<mps>
sorry for misinformation
<mkurz>
So how does that work in the kernel then? Is there a configuration file or something?
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<mps>
mkurz: yes, these two files /sys/class/power_supply/macsmc-battery/charge_control_start_threshold and /sys/class/power_supply/macsmc-battery/charge_control_end_threshold
<mkurz>
mps: ah ok got it
<j`ey>
mkurz: it's a standard linux interface thing
<j`ey>
so maybe some tools already know about it
<mkurz>
j`ey: ah nice!
<mkurz>
will this two files be there automatically when I upgrade to that 6.1-3 kernel?
<mkurz>
Or do I need to create them?
<j`ey>
they will be created by the driver
<mkurz>
ok nice
<mps>
in kernel tree Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-class-power file explains these two files
<mkurz>
mps: thanks!
<mkurz>
So are there any tools that make use of this files? Like does KDE somehow support them?
<mkurz>
LIke what if I want to have it charged 100% because I am planning to go out for the day? I guess I have to echo 100 to the charge_control_end_threshold file?
<mps>
mkurz: right now I'm doing just that
<mkurz>
mps: alright
<mps>
because I don't use any big DE
<mps>
but maybe some of big DEs have option for this control
<mkurz>
mps: I can't see anything in KDE; but maybe its disabled right now because the files don't exit now, I will see later, thanks!
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<blazra>
I have just tried the KDE charge limit setting and it seems to work - nice!
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<mkurz>
blazra: But you are using the asahi-6.1-3 kernel?
<blazra>
I am using the edge kernel, so that's 6.2.0-rc2-asahi-1-1-edge-ARCH
<blazra>
mkurz: ^
<mkurz>
blazra: are you using the asahi-dev repo?
<blazra>
mkurz: yes
<mkurz>
blazra: ok, that's why
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<mkurz>
blazra: I am not using -dev... so I am still on 6.1.0-asahi-2-2-edge-ARCH, so I will just wait until that kernel hits the stable channel
<mkurz>
blazra: but it's awesome this is working now, it's brand new, just released 2 says ago (I mean powerdevil)
<mkurz>
blazra: ...2 days ago...
<blazra>
mkurz: yeah, it is great
<mkurz>
blazra: just curious, is there a toggle or something do let the macbook charge up to 100% just once? Like in the "Battery and Brightness" widget in the "task bar"? Like if I have the macbook plugged in like most of the time but want it charge up before I take it out, but don't really want to change the settings, but let it charge to 100% just once?
<mkurz>
blazra: that's why I love Asahi+Arch Linux so much, it's fantastic
<mkurz>
blazra: Because going to the settings set the value to 100% and back afterwards when it's charged is a bit cumbersome IMHO
<blazra>
mkurz: I can't see anything like that - there is just a note, that battery is configured to charge only to the charge limit you set, but no override
<mkurz>
blazra: The only sane workaround I can think of right now is to go to "Advanced Power Settings" -> "Configure Notifications..." and run a command when charge is complete and set it back to the previous percent via command
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<delsol>
mkurz: no... but thats a great feature idea.
<delsol>
an "Airport" mode.
<delsol>
Charge to 99.99% because I don't know when I'll have power again....
<mkurz>
delsol: Yes, I am about to open an issue in the powerdevil repo
<delsol>
(plus get it, airport mode?)
<mkurz>
delsol: I think I get it? ;)
<delsol>
Airplane mode: no cellular network... Airport mode: no power
<mkurz>
delsol: yeah makes sense
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<delsol>
offtopic: If M2-Extreme became too damn expensive, release it anyways as a halo option.... who gives a shit if the people that used to buy maxed out Quadra 950's, Powermac 9600's, G3's, G4's, G5's, Mac Pro's.... for their DTP workloads, audio workloads, imovie workloads etc don't need the power anymore... SOMEONE will want the power, even if its just people shooting and editing 4k/8k....
<delsol>
some of the x86->ARM server workloads might like it and justify the price too....
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