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<mkurz> Not sure if that is related, but it seems with Chromium 111 things will improve: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/6a6589dffb747a083e19e9d021f3adccfbbb7c13
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<tpw_rules> mmm, looks broken on nixos
<tpw_rules> the commit message does not match the code. why does just the asahi driver need an extra .so?
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<marcan> I don't understand why they even whitelist individual dri drivers? Just whitelist the whole directory?
<marcan> tpw_rules: they are hardlinks, it's just the way mesa works (all the dri drivers are hardlinks to the same file)
<marcan> I'm assuming the "funny" behavior there is just standard kmsro behavior (i.e. the same issue affects ~every embedded GPU)
<marcan> so chromium is presumably also broken on everything else that isn't amd/intel/nvidia
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<Hotswap> hey anyone know where in the boot process vendorfw gets mounted to /usr/lib/firmware/vendor?
<Hotswap> thanks
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<dsharshakov> Are AS Macs capable of USB-C power output?
<dsharshakov> I remember T2 pros being able to charge other laptops. Airs didn't do so iirc
<sven> yes, my Mac mini e.g. charges my air through the cable I also use for development
<chadmed> yeah they are, my mac ended up charging my dev machine while i was in m1n1 at one point
<dsharshakov> If some AS machines do have this capability (at least if used by macOS), it might be worth supporting
<dsharshakov> nice
<sven> it works automatically
<chadmed> its all handled by the mux chip i dont think we have to actually do anything
<chadmed> ^
<sven> it’s all handled by that tipd chip
<dsharshakov> do they switch automagically using tipd?
<dsharshakov> alright, thanks
<dsharshakov> I've seen some API in typec subsystem to control such behaviour. Apparently irrelevant, yes
<dsharshakov> just the same as earlier, one who plugs cable first becomes power out while the second takes power (or vice-verse, I don't remember)
<dsharshakov> IIRC on T2s macOS was not able to control these DRP (dual-role power) ports and could even be tricked into charging the laptop itself
<sven> no, that’s not how it works. there’s a protocol spoken over the CC channel which negotiates which machine is charged
<dsharshakov> ik
<dsharshakov> that was from the user
<sven> that protocol is quite hilarious but there’s e.g. a “connected to unlimited power source flag”
<dsharshakov> * user's point of view
<chadmed> you can charge your mac with emperor palpatine lightning?
<sven> There’s no such thing as “one who plugs cable first becomes power out”
<dsharshakov> I wanted to ask which machines have this support and whether it's software controlled
<sven> chadmed: that unlimited power source is an almost verbatim quote from the usb pd spec :D
<dsharshakov> Since I don't recall it being software-controlled on Intel Macs, they chose based on connection order or something like this (at least when connecting 2 macbooks)
<sven> no, even Intel macs have that tipd chip
<dsharshakov> ofc it's obvious PD spec specifies the negotiation, the software support question is different
<sven> it’s literally an earlier version of the exact same chip present in apple Silicon macs
<dsharshakov> can it control the direction using sysfs, or does everything in its firmware?
<sven> I’m reasonably sure that if you e.g. connect two MacBooks which are not connected to power to each other the charging order will be mostly random
<dsharshakov> Ah, might be so as well
<sven> it’s negotiated automatically but at least ij apple Silicon you should be able to change it with the typec thing
<sven> unless apple disabled that ofc, never tested it
<chadmed> yeah that behaviour seems random if left to its own devices
<chadmed> sometimes my dev laptop would charge the 14" and sometimes vice versa
<chadmed> more often than not it was the latter annoyingly
<dsharshakov> oh, looks nice. just wanted to make sure you don't forget this feature while handling all the typec mess needed for anything
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<dsharshakov> having sysfs controls (if possible) would be a strong and useful feature
<chadmed> there are plenty of usb fustercluck things to worry about without having to deal with that on top :P
<sven> yeah, I’m not gonna care about that
<dsharshakov> yes, sure
<sven> either it already works with tipd code or someone else can fix it ;)
<dsharshakov> I see how convoluted the thing is, especially with display connections
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<SScott> Hello
<SScott> Just got
<SScott> Asahi running on my M1 Max
<SScott> tossed in the Alpha and did a pacman -Syu
<SScott> working great so far
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