<jacksonchen666>
using kde's night light and it seems like it's not functioning for some reason. why?
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<chadmed>
jacksonchen666: the DRM driver does not yet have the required functionality for night light et al to work properly
<chadmed>
there was talk months ago for kwin and mutter alike to change how this works but idk where those discussions landed
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<jeffmr_>
excuse my newbiness but when hardware devices are made available to the OS (uefi specificalaly) will that be provided by OS updates or updates to Asahi uefi?
<jeffmr_>
sorry, just seeing the answer to that in fhe faq now.
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<marcan>
ayke: yes, AP mode is known broken
<marcan>
blazra: note that the KDE charge limit settings do not persist across reboots (there is a bug open for this)
<marcan>
also note that right now KDE messes with the charge limits directly. I would posit that this functionality really belongs in upower and the current state is a hack, so it might be worth pushing for it on the upower side first and then KDE can just provide the UI
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<cassepipe>
If I intend to be running Asahi I'd better get 16gb RAM right ? My understanding is that MacOs is heavily optimized for the hardware it runs on and that can't be expected from Linux, right ?
<cassepipe>
Asking because I am poor :)
<cassepipe>
But also past-beginner-level programming
<cassepipe>
Anyways I would have never considered buying a mac if not for Asahi. Congratulations to the team for their work.
<mps>
cassepipe: it works fine with 8GB ram but ofc having more doesn't hurt
<axboe>
osx vs linux matters very little here, if anything linux is probably more frugal. but the apps you intend to run matter a lot more
<cassepipe>
I am not gamin nor video editing but I might be playing hq video, compiling stuff and running a vm from time to time
<cassepipe>
My average tab number in the browser is around ten
<cassepipe>
I think I should be fine
<cassepipe>
axboe: Right, thanks
<mps>
I run same userspace programs quite fine on arm64 chromebook with 4GB ram, alpine linux though
<ChaosPrincess>
remember that this is an apple machine, and the ram is soldered
<axboe>
unless you do vm + big c++ or whatever compiles at the same time, 8gb will likely be just fine
<j`ey>
yeah, I'd try future proof and go for 16 personally
<cassepipe>
ChaosPrincess: Which is why I am even asking, else I would waited for me to need an upgrade :)
<axboe>
me too, 8g will be tight with vm usage particularly
<axboe>
but you can make it work, just a tradeoff between spend on laptop vs how well it'd work :)
<ChaosPrincess>
imo, 8gb is not enough in $current_year, and for machines with soldered ram you should think about the end-of-life year
<mps>
tbh I don't see any difference on m1 mbp with 8GB and m1pro mbp with 32GB
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<cassepipe>
mps: Good to know thanks
<cassepipe>
ChaosPrincess This is sth I don't understand. Does RAM dies ?
<ChaosPrincess>
my work laptop is 8gb, and teams + ff + more than 1 instance of goland is not great
<axboe>
without vms, I'd probably be fine with 8gb as well
<ChaosPrincess>
cassepipe: no, but software gets more bloated with time
<axboe>
but they also mentioned compiles, and depending what that is, 8gb could be painful there alone
<sven>
macOS does some compressed shenanigans for swap (with custom cpu instructions on top) but I don’t think that makes a big difference
<cassepipe>
ChaosPrincess: Right, seems to be a law of the universe
<sven>
*compressed ram
<axboe>
sven: linux can do that too
<sven>
oh, nice! Didn’t even know that
<j`ey>
zswap?
<axboe>
with 16k pages, the asahi kernel might be pushing it on 8gb though
<axboe>
lots of wasted page cache
<axboe>
4k kernel would be better for that
<sven>
I personally have a 16gb model but I do usually run at least a vm or two.
<sven>
and well.. with soldered down ram I can upgrade and I wanna use this machine for a few years
<axboe>
I have a 16gb and a 32gb, 16gb too was fine even with my vm usage
<mps>
remember time when I had to add zswap to build firefox on chromebook with 4GB ram :)
<axboe>
mps: the compile part reminded me of when I was building chromium recently, and that was certainly painful even on 32gb ;)
<axboe>
mostly linking
<sven>
:D
<mps>
axboe: I built chromium just few times but thanks god this was about 3-4 years ago
<axboe>
mps: yeah it's just awful
<Zopolis4>
browsers are terrifying beasts
<Zopolis4>
i found it easier to build the linux kernel than to build chromium
<Zopolis4>
and less ram too
<axboe>
oh by far, and orders of magnitude on RAM usage
<mps>
I don't have problems to build firefox nowadays
<Zopolis4>
the only time i encoutnered ram issues with building linux was with make all
<Zopolis4>
and that was with linking
<sven>
oh yes, Linux kernel takes what, a few minutes? Maybe 10 if you enable everything
<sven>
chromium’s time is measured in hours last time I checked :D
<axboe>
sven: I think I benchmarked 20 min on the m1pro with allmodconfig
<axboe>
vs indeed hours
<ChaosPrincess>
thats what happens when your compilation machine is the entire google cluster :P
<sven>
heh, yeah, I wouldn’t mind that setup either :D
<sven>
i wonder how long it compiles there
<axboe>
probably still forever
<axboe>
in my experience with big corp build farms
<marcan>
even with the double-build stuff linux-asahi is quite tolerable to build
<marcan>
chromium... lol.
<marcan>
axboe: I don't know about chromium, but when I was there the infra build stuff was all very nicely optimized, distributed and cached
<axboe>
marcan: but then you wait for a build slot, and something fails X times and you retry, setup takes a while, etc...
<ChaosPrincess>
i worked for a big corp with a monorepo and similar stuff at one point - its not bad when you are testing on your instance with cached build artifacts, but if you are running a clean build - you could go have lunch while it does stuff
<axboe>
no experience on the google side though, so maybe theirs is better
<marcan>
axboe: there were no build slots, and I don't recall ever waiting for anything
<marcan>
it was provisioned enough
<marcan>
stuff just worked, fast
<axboe>
nice
<axboe>
maybe it's just meta ;)
<marcan>
ChaosPrincess: google did reproducible builds which globally cached build artifacts IIRC, so everyone shared one giant ccache (except not just for C) effectively
<marcan>
which was... quite important, given the hilarity of the google3 dependency tree
<marcan>
"why is my log scanner pulling in the porn detector?!"
<ChaosPrincess>
iirc $corp did something like that for live builds, but deployments always grabbed the monorepo tip and built everything from scratch
<ChaosPrincess>
and yes, similar bs happened, where your binaries could contain like 300megs of random assets some dependency you never actually call in really wanted
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<bcrumb>
"Anyways I would have never considered buying a mac if not for Asahi. Congratulations to the team for their work." What have $(we) done
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<cassepipe>
bcrumb: What do you mean ?
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<cassepipe>
Anyhoo I hope that dev using asahi that can casually buy a m1 without having to think if 16 Go is overkill or not are kicking money back to the project.
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