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<karpouzi>
nsklaus: i can reproduce, it becomes immediately unresponsive for me too
<nsklaus>
karpouzi: thanks for confirmation
<nsklaus>
it would be nice if a workaround could be found, i'd like to use kde based rss client
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<nsklaus>
i wonder if it's because of that plugin 'flite' that could not load ?
<karpouzi>
no, i'd expect not; akregator works fine on my other machine with the same warning
<nsklaus>
hmm
<nsklaus>
could strace be somehow used to try to diagnose this a bit futher ?
<nsklaus>
*further
<karpouzi>
no doubt :D
<nsklaus>
my strace 'knowledge' is almost non-existent, i basicaly use it to show open calls, to see when a program try to open some libs that are not installed
<nsklaus>
but beside that, the rest of strace functionalities, and meanings of output is mostly cryptic to me
<karpouzi>
hmm, i've thrown it into gdb, it's sitting at 100% cpu doing nothing
<karpouzi>
probably need to build from source with dbg symbols to figure it out
<nsklaus>
capta1nt0ad: 'alligator' ? i have never heard of it, thanks for telling
<nicolas17>
there used to be a kde.fail domain that redirected to bugs.kde.org, personally owned by a developer, but it expired... I considered resurrecting it but .fail costs $30 >.>
<karpouzi>
you can only use one AUR helper at a time without really breaking things unfortunately
<karpouzi>
sorry, i meant to link the #installation section of paru
<capta1nt0ad>
you don't need an AUR helper but they make life easier
<nsklaus>
i used trizen in the past
<karpouzi>
capta1nt0ad: i guess you just don't use pacman; not all that different from what i do. i thought for a second you meant you do `sudo paru -S blah`
<capta1nt0ad>
paru and yay are pacman wrappers
<capta1nt0ad>
you can install normal packages from it
<capta1nt0ad>
as well as AUR packages
<capta1nt0ad>
when I run 'pacman -Syu' it upgrades pacman and aur packages
<karpouzi>
seeing pacman without sudo is weird to me
<karpouzi>
that's all :p
<capta1nt0ad>
:)
<nsklaus>
that package build script for paru is missing the 'cargo' dependency apparently
<capta1nt0ad>
it runs itself with sudo asking for my password if I don't provide sudo anyway
<capta1nt0ad>
just to clarify
<karpouzi>
man, i can't even find my original paru repo
<nsklaus>
i have no idea why it failled the first time then, and had me to have to install cargo first manually before i could resume attempt at makepkg -si on alligator-git
<capta1nt0ad>
the difference between them is that depends need to be installed for the program to run, but makedepends only to build
<capta1nt0ad>
so you can uninstall makedepends once you've finished building the package
<nsklaus>
but, after i did that step manually, i could finish building and installing alligator, i'm testing it atm
<capta1nt0ad>
you can also just edit the PKGBUILD
<karpouzi>
yeah feels vaguely inconsistent to me
<nsklaus>
erh ..
<nsklaus>
alligator is like a skeleton of a app ;)
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<capta1nt0ad>
i think it's pretty good
<nsklaus>
i'll go with the good old newsboat then
<Tramtrist>
newsboat never fails
<nsklaus>
newsboat for rss and lf for file management
<nsklaus>
apparently mozilla thunderbird can do rss too
<nsklaus>
i have never tried it in that way
<nsklaus>
each time i try graphical desktop, it's nice and all, but i always end up reverting to dwm,irssi, mpv, newsboat, lf, and etc ..
<nsklaus>
now that i have wayland i might try sway
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<karpouzi>
any good arch packages whose names are spoonerisms
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<zuse>
hello i have a big problem. After i setup asahi my wifi quality has gone very bad. I have 2.4 - 5 ghz connections and both are not as good as before asahi. There is no efficiency and stability at all. Do you know how to fix;?
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<j`ey>
do you mean in macOS it's bad?
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<zuse>
yes i think it has affected my wifi card somehow
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<j`ey>
I think that is pretty unlikely, no-one else has mentioned anything like that
<chadmed_>
if anything at all it _might_ be a dodgy firmware upload from linux. shut the machine down completely and leave it for a few minutes then hold the power button to go to the boot menu and select macos from there
<chadmed_>
theres basically zero chance anything linux does could actually break your hardware tho
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<Cyrinux>
Hi marcan, out of curiosity, because i'm kitty user, do we just have to do kovidgoyal recommandation on your PR https://github.com/kovidgoyal/kitty/pull/5795 or there is a bigger problem finally? thx :)
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<nsklaus>
hi all, i was wondering if there was a solution on asahi to power off the touchbar completely ? i got the blinking problem, it's really annoying
<j`ey>
chadmed_: I saw you just typing, do you have that ^? I just assumed it was just blank/off by default
<nsklaus>
i thought it wouldn't affect me when i'm booting to asahi, since there's no support for the touch bar, but the problem is there on asahi too.. basically when i power on the laptop, the touch bar is stuck looping doing very bright quick flashes
<j`ey>
nsklaus: so that happens with macOS too?
<chadmed_>
j`ey: i dont have a machine with a touchbar at all, i only have my j314
<j`ey>
oh right, my bad, thought you had the touchbar one
<mps>
never seen touchbar light under asahi
<nsklaus>
yes it happens on macos too, it affects many users, i'm not sure if it's a hardware problem or just bad firmware update for the touchbar
<j`ey>
nsklaus: so it doesnt work at all under macOS?
<j`ey>
or it works.. but is constantly flashing?
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<nsklaus>
j`ey: it kind of work after macos finishes up booting, the touchbar looks normal, but if i let the laptop idle for a few seconds, the touchbar brightness goes down in incremental steps, and when it does that, it does it in blinking brightly, displaying garbage
<j`ey>
not sure if ChaosPrincess knows how to shutdown the touchbar, theyve been looking into a bit
<nsklaus>
basically: while system boots --> constant blinking, displaying garbage. very bright
<j`ey>
for now, just put some paper over the top :P
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<nsklaus>
once the system has completed booted --> it display touch bar normaly, until idle state makes it reduce brightness level to zero (but when it does that it does it in a broke manner, flashing, brightly, displaying garbage, until it reaches the state where it's supposed to not display anything, light powered off.. which it does.. in the end. only that the automated reducing brightness in increments is all broken and blinks like mad)
<chadmed_>
that sounds either electrical or firmware related
<nsklaus>
this problem affects many users on macos, where their touch bar goes haywire
<nsklaus>
typically right after warranty is over ;)
<chadmed_>
yet another reason not to buy the blasted things then i guess
<chadmed_>
fwiw apple replaced my old 13" machine's screen for free no questions asked outside the warranty period
<chadmed_>
but i live in australia so ymmv
<chadmed_>
they also replaced my iphone x for free no questions asked after i dropped a dumbbell on it the day i got it
<nsklaus>
i should have bought the macbook air m1 which doesn't have the touch bar.. i never liked the touch bar, but i took the macbook pro because it had fans, for dissipating heat, i thought it was the better choice
<chadmed_>
the fans never spin up anyway
<nsklaus>
yes, they do, all the time, but they are very silent
<chadmed_>
they really should have just written off all the leftover touchbars and melted down the stockpiled 13" chassis to turn into 14" pros and airs
<nsklaus>
it might be useful for asahi to have a mean to power off the darn thing, in the future
<j`ey>
well maybe once it can power it on :P
<nsklaus>
so when users gets affected by that problem, asahi would let them power it off, instead of suffering the very bright quick flashes
<nsklaus>
i might end up taping some opaque paper on it for now
<chadmed_>
sucks we have to support it at all tbh, i doubt theyre going to continue the 13" line beyond the M2 so its just a total dead end :/
<chadmed_>
the f keys can be remapped to fn+number key on those machines right
<j`ey>
yes that works already
<chadmed_>
yeah ok desolder the bar and put it in the bin problem solved
<nsklaus>
chadmed_: imho don't support that thing, just have a mean to power it off so users can use their laptop even with a defective touchbar, without suffering the constant flashes
<chadmed_>
well ChaosPrincess seems pretty intent on getting it working and who are any of us to stop them :P
<chadmed_>
but it wouldve been better if they just didnt release the machines because now we have to deal with this ostensibly widespread issue somehow
<nsklaus>
if some dev is interested in the challenge of supporting it, well, to each is own, why not.. that's nice even.. but that dev should consider many users are having problem with defective touchbar constantly flashing, so a trick to be able to just power it off when it happens would be really nice
<jannau>
do we have documented somewhere what the gpio flags in the ADT mean?
<jannau>
function-vdd = 119:GPIO(0xa9, 0x10101)
<nsklaus>
chadmed_: i don't think it stops if i put preassure on it no
<nsklaus>
jannau: i'd be all for a power off switch to it. imho this touch bar idea from apple is hell, i never liked it, and now that it is broken and flashes like mad, i dislike it even more
<nsklaus>
rebooting, brb
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<ChaosPrincess>
j`ey chadmed_ nsklaus: try messing around with gpio 8a
<nsklaus>
ChaosPrincess: how could i do that ?
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<ChaosPrincess>
there is gpio control in m1n1
<ChaosPrincess>
actually, do the thing jannau linked above, but with the other gpio
<nsklaus>
i rebooted, i don't have that link anymore
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<as400>
today I noticed that charging my mbp 14 2021 with original cable produces much less heat than charging it with USB-C cable. Anyone with the same experience ?