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<Begasus>
'lo peeps
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<andreasdr[m]>
Morning Begasus
<Begasus>
morning andreasdr[m]
<Begasus>
what's up there?
<andreasdr[m]>
Just work. :)
<andreasdr[m]>
New job!
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<andreasdr[m]>
Whats up Begasus? On your side?
<Begasus>
bumping libqt5pas and fpcupdeluxe
<Begasus>
Need lazarus to build cudatext to the latest release
<Begasus>
New job andreasdr[m] ... still in development?
<andreasdr[m]>
Nice. Still thinking of trying a Eclipse IDE port. If I got 3D I try to also do some stuff on Haiku. Lets see.
<andreasdr[m]>
Yes. I work as software developer currently. And as long as it does fun I like it.
<andreasdr[m]>
Fun and some money. :) Need to pay my bills and such.
<Begasus>
If you can combine the two it's a match :)
<andreasdr[m]>
Yaaaaa
<andreasdr[m]>
Meanwhile I kickstarted with 2 mates a smaller game which I will also release for Haiku. It should only take 3-6 months to complete. Our other big game will also take some more time. So for me things get together. Just takes some time.
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<Begasus>
Some of us have been around for over 20 years, we can wait ;)
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<Begasus>
bbl
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<andreasdr[m]>
I know. I waited also for 20 years and observed HaikuOS activities. Big love. So much work has been done. <3
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<andreasdr[m]>
I OBSERVE YOU. MUUUHAHAHAAHA! Joke. Sorry.
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<andreasdr[m]>
AND I LIKE IT :D
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<Vidrep_64>
Hi Begasus_32
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<Vidrep_64>
Hi there humdinger
<humdinger>
hullo!
<Vidrep_64>
Any funnys for today?
<humdinger>
nah. got a funny head ache... :}
<Vidrep_64>
I see you and dsizzle putting a lot of work into ArtPaint
<Vidrep_64>
I've been following your progress
<humdinger>
yeah. he more than me, ofc.
<humdinger>
it's becoming quite usable.
<Vidrep_64>
An OS is useless without usable apps
<humdinger>
we'll be waiting a few more days for translations and then pack a release
<Vidrep_64>
The new user guide is much nicer than what was there before
<humdinger>
yes. the original wasn't at all useful.
<Vidrep_64>
Not as easy to navigate either
<humdinger>
the new one is at least quite complete. Thoug there are no astonishing reveals in it.
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<humdinger>
I did find a new shortcut though when looking at the code.
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<humdinger>
ALT+TAB shows/hides all windows.
<Vidrep_64>
Are you guys going to close a few outstanding issues?
<humdinger>
I think we already did quite a few.
<Vidrep_64>
Several
<humdinger>
most important IMO is the now working transparency.
<humdinger>
that was totally broken
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<humdinger>
I think it'll take me hours to go thru the commit log for the changelog :)
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<Vidrep_64>
Just for the fun of it, I've been building ArtPaint after every few commits with Clang Static Analysis. Bugs found has dropped from 271 to 268 as of last build.
<Vidrep_64>
Not sure how many are false positives or irrelevant
<Vidrep_64>
Not sure if they were ever pushed to master
<Vidrep_64>
humdinger, how does ArtPaint compare to Wonderbrush? How do they differ?
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<humdinger>
sorry network trouble
<humdinger>
I still prefer WonderBrush, but I'm not really painting much...
<humdinger>
I prefer the vector stuff with WB
<Vidrep_64>
So, the two apps are targeted at somewhat different tasks
<humdinger>
I think so. ArtPaint is pure bitmap. WB does both.
<Vidrep_64>
Is WonderBrush open source?
<humdinger>
yes
<humdinger>
unfortunatley not under active development.
<Vidrep_64>
WonderBrush is what you're using for your user guide work?
<humdinger>
yes. for ArtPaint too :)
<humdinger>
anything with screenshots
<Vidrep_64>
Handy tool
<humdinger>
yeah. bought it back in BeOS days-
<Vidrep_64>
I see it's also available for 64 bit. I thought it was only 32 bit
<humdinger>
th hurdles were fixed a while ago.
<Vidrep_64>
Tells you how much I pay attention to apps I don't use
<humdinger>
in fact, I waited to switch to 64bit for that
<Vidrep_64>
Just finished building ArtPaint "scan-build: 272 bugs found"
<Vidrep_64>
It was 268 last time (maybe a week ago)
<Vidrep_64>
Is it worth attaching a zip of the result for dsizzle to have a look at?
<humdinger>
sure. his decision if he goes thru it ofc.
<Vidrep_64>
OK. I don't want to be a pest :)
<Begasus_32>
'lo humdinger Vidrep_64 :)
<Begasus_32>
humdinger I think I added the Dutch translation for ArtPaint, should be OK I guess?
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<Begasus_32>
heading down here, work done for today and OK ;)
<Begasus_32>
cu peeps!
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<Vidrep_64>
humdinger, is dsizzle on IRC under a different nik?
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<extrowerk>
how strange.... my router needs a specific kind of browser to log in to the web-admin area.
<extrowerk>
This was also the first time i built the linux kernel (actually openwrt). Thats strange too.
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi
<extrowerk>
Some programs works with it, but some not, because musl and other low-profile/low-memory decisions in the ecosystem. So it is kind-of-linux, but not the kind you probably know as a user.
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<extrowerk>
while i built linux for my router i was thinking about this whole thing. The *nix fanboys always falling back to "li*ux is just a kernel" argumentation, but so far every system built upon it was a kind of *nix like system. I don't know if there is any non-*nix like system built on top of li*ux, but i never heard about any.
<extrowerk>
maybe we can count android to non-*nix like system.
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<PulkoMandy>
even windows is getting more and more unix like, everyone does it. The unix design is simple, it's what is taught in schools, it matches what everyones understands about computers
<PulkoMandy>
now it's going to be difficult to have anything else. But it's simple enough that you can build around it or implement it in many different ways (for example use a microkernel)
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<extrowerk>
PulkoMandy: thans, but that part was clear to me. However i still dislike everything built following the *nix traditions and built upon li*ux.
<extrowerk>
And i say this while i clearly see the point of *nix and li*ux, but still i hate them bein what they are.
<extrowerk>
I don't know how to leverage this hatered to accomplish anything. Simply hating things is not useful.
<zdykstra>
maybe I'm missing something, but why can't you type 'linux' out completely?
<extrowerk>
i think i just simply don't see the point of *nixes anymore. When i read news about their development, it feels like: "Yeah, and?" I do understand, they are happy to have a stable well supported base, but they don't do anything with it. It makes me sad.
<itanium686>
linux move in the wrong direction i think feels lock in in linux like ubuntu and mint
<andreasdr[m]>
I am a huge fan of BSDs and also Linux, this time, including C and C++, old man did the thing really consistent and "right". It makes me so much more productive, happpy to have POSIX and BASH and such in Haiku OS.
<andreasdr[m]>
Something laughing that MS wanted to do their nearly complete own crap.
<andreasdr[m]>
I use Ubuntu currently on my personal Laptop, works, is OK. But has some bugs.
<itanium686>
windows and macs are worse than linux
<andreasdr[m]>
Mac is OK for me. I dont like Windows for some real reasons.
<itanium686>
i of to sleep bye for now
<andreasdr[m]>
Cu.
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<extrowerk>
for me mac win and lin feels the same. all of them is just deprecated in my eyes, and i just can't understand why would anybody use any of them.