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<mmu_man> JayF: hmm, which version is this?
<mmu_man> A nightly might get you more luck indeed
<JayF> I burned whatever the latest beta was
<JayF> tried it in both UEFI and CSM
<JayF> same media worked great in qemu :\
<JayF> I can try a nightly if you think it'll make a difference? I'm literally getting zero lights lighting up below the haiku logo
<JayF> it was implied to me in another channel that it may be unreasonable to expect it to boot on modern hardware?
<mmu_man> you could try some boot options: https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/bootloader.html
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<mmu_man> as long as it's a pentium compatible cPU it should work
<JayF> aight, I'll burn a nightly and maybe try that
<mmu_man> At least showing the debugging messages on screen would give a hint
<mmu_man> see what is written last, and maybe search for it in the known bugs on https://dev.haiku-os.org/
<mmu_man> Maybe this bug is related https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/17375
<mmu_man> In which case a recent nightly would boot
<JayF> I don't think I'm broken in that way, but I will try the latest nightly, debugging and the like
<JayF> since it's expected to work :D
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<LinuxUser> @jessicah Hi!
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<LinuxUser> Does anyone know where jessicah user is?
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<LinuxUser> I'm waiting while haikuporter updating dependency info :DD
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<LinuxUser> @Begasus hi!
<Begasus> Hi LinuxUser
<LinuxUser> i tried haikuporter now waiting while haikuporter updates depebdency info :DDD
<Begasus> That's a good start :)
<LinuxUser> I know time when you join to channel )
<Begasus> Time to feed the dogs in a minute or so :)
<LinuxUser> I'm waiting several hours while it updates pkgs dependencies
<LinuxUser> yes, yes several hours
<Begasus> It's quite a list, and with the P4 I guess it takes that long :O
<LinuxUser> no, im not on p4
<LinuxUser> yes qemu performance quite slooooooow...
<Begasus> And that ^^
<Begasus> Why not run it in VBox?
<Begasus> It's much faster
<LinuxUser> im not my tablet
<LinuxUser> i have no vbox on my tablet
<LinuxUser> i'm on android
<LinuxUser> so i must use qemu instead
<Begasus> So you are running Haiku with Qemu on your tablet?
<LinuxUser> yeees
<Begasus> That won't be fast I bet :D
<LinuxUser> you're right
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<Begasus> x512[m], any chance on upstreaming your changes for wayland?
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<x512[m]> No.
<Begasus> That's clear ;)
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<rennj> not at all!
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<LinuxUser> i think running vbox on haiku is IMPOSSIBLE
<rennj> heh
<rennj> i could have told you that...
<x512[m]> Changes to libwayland introduce ability to load server add-on inside client process. Wayland developers do not want this.
<x512[m]> They even refused FreeBDS kqueue patches so I see no chances.
<x512[m]> FreeBSD
<rennj> kTLS in the kernel
<rennj> context switching removed
<LinuxUser> @begasus huh, i ran haiku on 1 gb of virtual ram
<Begasus> OK, can live with that, I'll just add their URL to the HOMEPAGE in the recipe
<rennj> hmm freebsd
<rennj> netflix sony nintendo no problem exploiting free work of freebsd
<LinuxUser> @begasus i'm writing this on virtual ARM Linux running on proot container :))
<rennj> nvidia owning mellanox helps...tcp offload engine/toe
<LinuxUser> for linux i dont recommend amd
<rennj> think that what they did for kTLS did asic..course i went thru pdf quick
<rennj> amd rocks!
<rennj> amdgpu/radeonsi
<rennj> rocm vs cuda..you might have point
<rennj> but their hardware is smoking...short that intel stock
<rennj> should have done while ago
<LinuxUser> i tried linux with amd radeon hd4990 card and i get graphical glitches
<rennj> jim keller ISA god
<rennj> dec alpha, amd athlon/amd64, and did ryzen
<LinuxUser> so i just changed my card to nvidia and it works fine
<rennj> beside the apple,tesla,intel stints
<LinuxUser> @begasus where is you?
<Begasus> Still here LinuxUser
<LinuxUser> ok
<rennj> anyway i got great uptimes on my amd craptop... https://imgur.com/02D6W7G 100days
<rennj> vmware,fvwm2,x11,amdgpu running for 100days no crashes
<LinuxUser> i thought that was graphical driver's fault
<rennj> on $400 2015 amd craptop...i added 16GB ram and 500GB sata/ssd after purchase busted price up to $650 or so
<LinuxUser> on windows all ok
<rennj> https://imgur.com/1psrhvL 67days 4vm's 2022
<rennj> win10 vm linux vm amiga vm, haiku vm
<rennj> its all about the drivers
<LinuxUser> amiga vm???
<rennj> yeah amiga os3.9
<rennj> 68k
<rennj> motorola
<LinuxUser> where did you get this?
<rennj> not x86/amd64
<LinuxUser> qemu?
<rennj> vmware
<rennj> those are all vmware vm's
<rennj> 4 os's running, besides linux host os so 5
<LinuxUser> where did you found amiga's iso?
<rennj> 16GB ram is enough
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<rennj> eh?
<rennj> iso amiga os came on rom and floppy
<LinuxUser> i've got 4 gb ram :(
<rennj> kickstart rom, and workbench floppy
<LinuxUser> where did you downloaded these??
<rennj> https://imgur.com/uGHLo23 amiga playing current youtube mp4 video
<rennj> only the amiga makes it possible
<rennj> club random with bill maher ...
<LinuxUser> if you can, give me link for kikstart and workbench
<rennj> i cant help you
<rennj> join #amiga
<rennj> on libera.chat or something
<rennj> oh wait ##amiga on libera
<rennj> that is not vmware but fs-uae vm
<rennj> uae,e-uae,fs-uae emulator
<LinuxUser> where did you get this emulator?
<rennj> opensource
<rennj> freesoftware
<rennj> you know richard m. stallman foobar
<LinuxUser> i know.
<rennj> you should try search engines out
<rennj> google fs-uae perhaps
<rennj> google uae or use wikipedia even
<rennj> learn the history of unix amiga emulator = uae
<rennj> amazing!
<rennj> fs-uae is modern form
<rennj> Picasso 96 graphics with 8 MB of memory w00t
<rennj> rocking amiga box
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<Begasus> x512[m], what license should be used for wayland-server, guessing MIT?
<x512[m]> MIT license is planned for all new code. Note that https://github.com/X547/wayland-server/blob/master/input-event-codes.h is GPL 2.0.
<Begasus> OK, a short README would help also fill in SUMMARY and DESCRIPTION :)
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<rennj> A Political History of X' - Keith Packard (LCA 2020) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj02_UeUnGQ
<rennj> why MIT was bad choice, and GNU would have been better
<rennj> X11
<rennj> sun,dec,hp,ibm,sgi take the code and put it behind closed doors
<rennj> no sharing
<rennj> create their products for sale
<x512[m]> Keith Packard is contributor to X11 stagnation.
<x512[m]> Keith Packard is an enemy of X11.
<x512[m]> See history with Xfree86, Xfixes and X consortium.
<Begasus> guessing I need to add GNU GPL v2.1 for that file
<x512[m]> Begasus: Yes, it some file have license header, it is applied instead of MIT.
<Begasus> GNU LGPL *
<x512[m]> it some file -> if some file
<Begasus> as far as searching "copyright" there, those are the only 2 files mentioning license
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<x512[m]> input-event-codes.h is planned to be removed and replaced with new code.
<LinuxUser> huh, i found kickstart and workbench version 3.1!
<Begasus> I also need your real name to fill in at COPYRIGHT :)
<Begasus> Or should I just put up "X512"?
<netpositive> LinuxUser: buy it, don't pirate it!
<LinuxUser> hmmm
<x512[m]> X512 is fine if it is acceptable.
<LinuxUser> @netpositive i found it on internet
<Begasus> I don't mind, in the patchsets I created haikuporter also just puts "begasus" in there :)
<netpositive> LinuxUser: so what?
<LinuxUser> why i must buy it?
<x512[m]> "X" in X512 is big letter.
<netpositive> iirc it's still proprietary sw and it's not in public domain
<rennj> recapped!
<Begasus> rather "x512" or "X512"?
<LinuxUser> @netpositive that's not critical
<Begasus> The latter will do, that's you on github also :)
<x512[m]> IRC/Matrix nickname x512 caused by registration problems. "X512" is correct.
<Begasus> Now I only need info for SUMMARY/DESCRIPTION
<LinuxUser> if it will be fully proprietary there will be no images on internet :)
<x512[m]> Matrix force small letters in nicknames?
<netpositive> LinuxUser: such a fine piece of bs 8p
<LinuxUser> does anyone know why haikuporter process takes so loooong?
<Begasus> Your setup?
<LinuxUser> @begasus you wrote this for me?
<Begasus> Yes LinuxUser :)
<LinuxUser> yes my setup is so looooong
<LinuxUser> seems, it updating dependency info for every package :dd
<Begasus> Yes it does LinuxUser , goes through the full list
<LinuxUser> it takes more than 2 hours (
<LinuxUser> and thjs will be for every haikuporter's command?
<Begasus> No updating dependencies is a one time thing (only happens again when you change, create recipes, and only for those, not the full list)
<LinuxUser> ok
<LinuxUser> you're on haiku now?
<Begasus> The other me is yes
<LinuxUser> but the first which one?
<Begasus_32> This one
<LinuxUser> on which os the first nickname NOT begasus_32
<Begasus> I'm running Ubuntu here
<LinuxUser> ok
<LinuxUser> i'm on virtual ubuntu too :)
<Begasus> On your tablet?
<LinuxUser> yes
<LinuxUser> and termux with proot container
<Begasus> Don't tell me you are running qemu inside virt Ubuntu?
<rennj> inception!
<LinuxUser> no my qemu on termux not ubu tu
<Begasus> You got some weird setup there :P
<LinuxUser> no, this is not weird
<rennj> https://imgur.com/ozWhicb kernel 2.6.16 from 2007 and vmware player 2.0.0
<rennj> inside vmware 15
<Begasus> x512[m], I used the information you mentioned in a comment for wayland-server for now (from the forum)
<rennj> inception!
<LinuxUser> on my pc i used vmware player 12
<x512[m]> Begasus: Are recipe draft published somewhere? Recently published one updated?
<Begasus> not yet x512[m] atleast not the changes I'm doing atm
<Begasus> The current ones are still on my branch
<Begasus> Not published at haikuports
<LinuxUser> right now im on packages those have l letter at the beginning of its names
<LinuxUser> time to eat meat with tomatoes :)
<Begasus> enjoy LinuxUser
<LinuxUser> which irc program you have?
<Begasus> On Ubuntu HexChat, on Haiku Vision
<LinuxUser> i have same program :)
<x512[m]> Begasus: Is it really needed to copy all authors from all copyright headers?
<x512[m]> They are not contributed to In-proc Haiku Wayland server project.
<nephele> There is an unoficial Threema cleint called openMittsu, I compiled it on haiku and it runs
<nephele> it still has some graphical glitches so it's not quite usable yet though
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<Begasus> x512[m], they hold the copyright to those files (and for wayland mentioned in the MIT license)
<x512[m]> Package copyrights usually do not mention all authors.
<LinuxUser> @begasus i have second nickname HaikuUser
<Begasus> I try to import them if they are mentioned x512[m]
<Begasus> I'm not importing contributors there though
<HaikuUser> begasus this is i but with other nickname
<Begasus> Vision defaults to nick HaikuUser
<LinuxUser> can i change this
<Begasus> yep, just like any other IRC client
<LinuxUser> how i cant
<Begasus> '/nick <newnick>'
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<LinuxUser-64> now i have nick LinuxUser-64
<Begasus> It's easy there x512[m] (hence the et al)
<Begasus> Granted for the wayland-server it's different, so maybe yes, I could take those names out
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<LinuxUser> the process is toooooo looooooooooooooooooooooong :(
<x512[m]> wayland-server is new work from scratch, is is not port of some existing code.
<LinuxUser> ))))
<rennj> you going to jail
<rennj> haha
<rennj> intellectual property rights/copyright/trademark..you looked over walt disneys shoulder as he drew mickey mouse...
<LinuxUser> meat with tomatoes is tasty)
<LinuxUser> @begasus will you there on irc tomorrow?
<Begasus> In the morning, but got dogschool, so not that long
<rennj> If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.” --George Bernard Shaw
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<LinuxUser> what is dogschool?
<rennj> why you should use the GNU license and not MIT...forces the sharing of ideas
<Begasus> A school where you train dogs
<rennj> MIT is fine if you want sony,nintendo, netflix making products and not giving back...
<rennj> they are not obligated to contribute unlike GNU
<x512[m]> rennj: I am fine with using my code by Sony, Nintendo, Netflix etc. and not giving back.
<LinuxUser> still waiting process((
<x512[m]> LinuxUser: Waiting for what?
<rennj> SaaS for you!
<LinuxUser> waiting while haikuports updates dependency info for every package..
<rennj> how company making $$$ off your hard work, and you doing everything for nothing
<rennj> haikuos amd edition!
<LinuxUser> rennj: what?
<rennj> ebay cdrom's sold for money
<LinuxUser> hmmm
<rennj> once x512 finishes the work
<rennj> hurry up already!
<LinuxUser> yep...
<rennj> i got product to ship
<LinuxUser> ))
<rennj> MIT w00t
<rennj> cdrom,usb flash drives..come on
<rennj> product
<rennj> sdhc
<rennj> sandisk
<LinuxUser> i think this process will be forever
<x512[m]> LinuxUser: Virtual machine?
<rennj> stunt man mike from death proof will give you ride home
<rennj> i recommend not getting in the car
<LinuxUser> x512: no
<LinuxUser> x512: haikuporter's process
<LinuxUser> @begasus where is you?
<Begasus> In my chair
<LinuxUser> )))
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<LinuxUser> i'm laughting
<LinuxUser> sadly there is no vbox or vmplayer for haiku :'(
<Begasus> I'm guessing no one has a need for it
<LinuxUser> are you sure?
<LinuxUser> but there is qemu for haiku!
<Begasus> k, finished up on wayland-protocols, could you check x512[m] ? https://github.com/Begasus/haikuports/commit/4189a893b9f039a204d2faf191ac3462ceb1c258
<Begasus> I'm guessing those that use qemu are running it on Haiku BM
<LinuxUser> i cant wait anymorr
<Begasus> paitient is a virtue (or how do they say it) :)
<LinuxUser> i waited more than 4 hours! this is so much
<Begasus> Not sure whay you mean by the second one GPL header removed x512[m] ?
<Begasus> Ah! didn't see that one yet ;)
<LinuxUser> @begasus for what reason haikuporter is needed tool?
<Begasus> To build Haiku packages
<LinuxUser> to port apps to haiku?
<Begasus> yes
<LinuxUser> how to write own recipe?
<x512[m]> Begasus: wayland-server description candidate:
<x512[m]> Implementation of Wayland protocols over Haiku API. Unlike regular Wayland server implementations, Haiku in-proc Wayland server do not run as separate server process but load as add-on into each Wayland client instead. It do no compositing by itself, but use existing Haiku capabilities such as native Haiku windows and bitmap drawing API.
<Begasus> Here are some generic recipes that can be used to start working on a new one: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/tree/master/generic
<Begasus> k x512[m]
<LinuxUser> if i want can i help you with recipes?
<Begasus> If you want to try to create a new recipe I can help (where I can) to guide you through it LinuxUser
<Begasus> But try with some small projects, don't go tackling VBox :)
<Begasus> In your current setup I guess it would take a week untill you hit the error that it can't be build ;)
<LinuxUser> my current setup isnt vbox building my current setup is haikuporter weather
<x512[m]> xkeyboard-config is not X extension, it is keymap data for libxkbcommon.
<x512[m]> libxkbcommon is keymap handling library, used by both X11 and Wayland.
<Begasus> "X keyboard configuration files" should be better I guess? (from Arch)
<x512[m]> > This project provides a consistent, well-structured, frequently
<x512[m]> released, open source database of keyboard configuration data.
<x512[m]> The project is targeted at XKB-based systems.
<x512[m]> "X keyboard configuration files" is fine.
<Begasus> I try to use the information provided by the project
<x512[m]> "X Keyboard Extension" is probably common title used by all related projects. It is not xkeyboard-config project name.
<PulkoMandy> Hello from Froscon in Bonn/Germany :)
<nephele> Hi PulkoMandy!
<Begasus> Hi PulkoMandy Alles Gut dar? ;)
<LinuxUser> i think i dont need vbox on haiku. i'll write recipe when process will be done
<Begasus> nephele, maybe you two could go out for a coffee now :)
<nephele> Begasus: I am not in Bonn sadly :)
<PulkoMandy> yes, no Haiku booth or talk planned this time so I can finally visit a conference where I can actually listen to some talks mysef :D
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<Begasus> Some prime time then :)
* Begasus wonders how many times PulkoMandy will drop the word "Haiku" there :P
<PulkoMandy> I don't even have a Haiku sticker on my laptop and I didn't take the hoodie (because it's summer and I don't need a hoodie)
<x512[m]> Wayland protocols is a set of XML data files. It is platform-independent.
<LinuxUser> i think i must have c++ knowledge for writing an app for haiku :(
<Begasus> yes x512[m] it depends on the client and server library who are not platform independent
<Begasus> but I could see if it works on 32bit
<x512[m]> Begasus: Build time dependency.
<Begasus> yes but I need $secondaryArchsuffix there
<x512[m]> Why?
<Begasus> sec, let me first do xkeyboard-config
<LinuxUser> @begasus seems i must know c++ for making apps for haiku :8(
<nephele> Begasus: would be 4 hours just to get there, it's kind of annoying to reach, even if it is also in DE :P
<Begasus> If you want to build something new for haiku yes LinuxUser
<Begasus> I know nephele , visited some dog-shows in Germany in the past, furthest was Nurnberg :/
<LinuxUser> @begasus if i want to build not something new i must learn c++ anyway?
<Begasus> no, there is plenty out there what you could look into (opensource) LinuxUser
<PulkoMandy> you can also build applications with yab if you want to avoid C++
<LinuxUser> what is yab?
<PulkoMandy> or you can port existing software written in a variety of languages too, only the Haiku UI is curren
<Begasus> heh
<PulkoMandy> currently only available in C++
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<PulkoMandy> yab is another programming language, derived from basic and yabasic, with native GUI support for Haiku
<LinuxUser> how to use it?
<LinuxUser> is there zenity or yad for haiku?
<PulkoMandy> this website has downloads and information for yab
<x512[m]> > TThis
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<Begasus> eeps :)
<Begasus_32> *** Failed to find a match for "devel:libwayland_client": Name not found
<Begasus> As I thought x512[m] (changed the one for protocols to any)
<LinuxUser> yab reminds me visual basic
<x512[m]> Begasus: Isn't it possible to use prefix for build requirements?
<x512[m]> Also libwayland_client/server should be not needed.
<Begasus> it will look for lib:libwaylan-client
<x512[m]> Tests only.
<Begasus> checking
<Begasus_32> Build-time dependency wayland-scanner found: NO (tried pkgconfig and cmake)
<Begasus> sec :)
<LinuxUser> i'll try yab while im waiting haikupirter
<Begasus> nope, still can't find wayland-scanner
<LinuxUser> maybe you must try pmgman search wayland-scanner?
<Begasus> already got that LinuxUser , it's just not found
<x512[m]> Begasus: Disable tests/move to separate package?
<x512[m]> This is what is actually installed. XML files are just copies.
<Begasus> Yep, got those installed in $dataDir
<Begasus> trying with tests disabled
<LinuxUser> Maybe wayland-scanner has different name
<Begasus> Nope, all good there LinuxUser
<LinuxUser> ok, i wont help
<Begasus> k, that works x512[m]
<Begasus> I can drop TEST(), think it was pretty good when I ran the tests
<LinuxUser> @begasus for what reason recipes are needed?
<x512[m]> LinuxUser: To make HPKG packages.
<nephele> recipes are instructions on how to automate building of software and packageing it afterwards for the haikuports project
<nephele> You can, in theory, use the package command directly. but that won't be distributable with haikuports then, you would need to make your own repository for that
<Begasus> 1 test failed out of 86, not bad, will drop it and move the recipe to use "all"
<LinuxUser> @begasus how to make own recipe?
<Begasus> LinuxUser, I explained earlier?
<LinuxUser> hm i didnt understand?
<LinuxUser> @begasus you didnt explained
<Begasus> <Begasus> Here are some generic recipes that can be used to start working on a new one: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/tree/master/generic
<Begasus> I use them as a base for every recipe I start working on (with some local adjustments)
<LinuxUser> i didnt understand variable source_uri in recipe
<Begasus> first change SOURCE_URI (the download link for your new port)
<LinuxUser> is it needed?
<nephele> yes
<nephele> how else would it know where to get your software from?
<LinuxUser> the url from haiku_generic_app doesnt exists
<Begasus> because that's an example LinuxUser
<LinuxUser> which files url from this variable should have?
<Begasus> depends on what you want to look into
<LinuxUser> source code of port?
<Begasus> yes
<LinuxUser> in which format?
<LinuxUser> c++ source?
<Begasus> SOURCE_URI="http://downloads.sf.net/tuxpaint/tuxpaint-config-$portVersion.tar.gz"
<nephele> Linuxuser: the source code archive you wish to download
<Begasus> for this haikuporter will use wget to get the source (tar.gz)
<nephele> like a .zip or .tar.gz
<Begasus> $portVersion refers to the version provided in the recipe name
<Begasus> All major OS's use simular variables there
<LinuxUser> seems, i must upload source code?
<Begasus> You got something from yourself that builds?
<nephele> LinuxUser: what are you trying to package?
<Begasus> heh
<LinuxUser> i want to create my own program in yab like calculator just for example then use recipe for creating hpkg for os
<nephele> there is no need to make a package to run it
<nephele> making a package for a recipe is later if you want to distribute the software to other people
<LinuxUser> goodbye! maybe i'll back later today!
<LinuxUser> i'll go to ride bike
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<Begasus> x512[m], re-worked a bit the description for wayland-server: https://github.com/Begasus/haikuports/commit/178588cda6b24b23c380733b4cffc3496d21a197
<x512[m]> Begasus: Looks fine.
<Begasus> ok :)
<Begasus> can be posted to haikuports, or do you prefer to wait?
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<x512[m]> Begasus: Any problems with enabling GTK Wayland backend?
<Begasus> Still not able to build it with haikuporter due to mentioned error
<Begasus> Once that could be build I could enable "gtk3_wayland" recipe, but I presume it would conflict with the default "gtk3" recipe, so that should be added to it also then
<Begasus> But at least the basics should be there
<Begasus> Also, do you plan to keep your wayland repository on par with upstream? (I see upstream has already 4 commits ahead of yours)
<Begasus> has/is*
<x512[m]> libwayland can be updated if needed.
<Begasus> right
<x512[m]> I also added add-on interface that is currently considered unstable. libwayland can be updated because of adf-on interface changes.
<x512[m]> In general updating libwayland from upstream should be done with care, it can break add-on logic.
<Begasus> You are the master there, I'm only the recipe guy ;)
<x512[m]> I mean do not try to rebase against latest upstream if do not understand logic.
<Begasus> Not planning to myself ;)
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<Begasus> rebooting to 64bit
<Begasus> rebuild/check ...
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<Begasus> K, things seem to be on par for the recipes (also 64bit)
<Begasus> x512[m], I just saw that launching geany from Tracker doesn't work, maybe related to XDG_RUNTIME_DIR?
<Begasus> launching in Terminal is ok
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<x512[m]> Begasus: If it says "can open display" then yes.
<Begasus> Launching from Tracker doesn't give a notice
<Begasus> doing a rebuid for gtk3-wayland in Terminal, see if nothing got broken :)
<nephele> how come 3d cad applications still rely on impossible to pay subscriptions mostly .-.
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<Begasus> someone needs to pay their developers maybe nephele :)
<nephele> By making it *literally* impossible for people to purchase the application? :)
<nephele> I guess if the only alternative is blender companies don't have much to worry about...
<Begasus> Don't know the prizes to software these days, but back then Photoshop was also not for the common :)
<phschafft> define '*literally* impossible'?
<nephele> phschafft: making it too expensive to buy, or in this case subscribe to
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<LinuxUser> hi begasus my process with haikuporter is done!
<Begasus> for weather LinuxUser ?
<nephele> Say, for a drawing application for the iPad i might be asked 20€ for a good one, once. Siemens for example wants 130€ *per month* for solid edge
<LinuxUser> yes
<Begasus> jikes!
<Begasus> it took that long?
<LinuxUser> yes
<phschafft> hm.
<LinuxUser> but that was first build
<phschafft> Simens is always on the expensive side of things.
<Begasus> you'll get fustrated when trying something else I guess
<phschafft> but have you checked for any hobbyist programs?
<Begasus> weather is one of the smallest project to build
<phschafft> there is often a non-commercial hobbyist license available.
<nephele> Siemens has something for students or something, but i don't really qualify for that
<Begasus> heh
<phschafft> so they *do* have offers. ;)
<phschafft> and I must say that 130 euro/month really doesn't shock me.
<nephele> for a 3d cad software, it does not for me either
<nephele> but this is like the only software segment i know with such steep subscription prices, well except for adobe maybe
<nephele> but then you have stuff like the affinity suit as a competition with one time purchases...
<nephele> seems there is a "solid edge community edition"
<phschafft> hm.
<phschafft> but that said thank you for reminding me that I need to review one of the licenses myself *g*
<nephele> Welp, this one is unavailable for the iPad :D
<nephele> I've used solid edge once years ago and it was great, i never really got along with blender in comparison
<nephele> ... though I really want "just" a 3d cad that would work more like valve's hammer editor... but then that is a map editor and not a 3d cad in the technical sense
<nephele> I guess i can read the EULA for the community edition and see if that works for me, and try to run it on ubuntu
<Begasus> Maybe you could search for a ... hmm ... pirated version? <ducks>
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<LinuxUser> sorry for disconnection i walked
<LinuxUser> sorry for asking this again. begasus will you be tomorrow?
<LinuxUser> and i saw that you changed your nick from begasus_32 to begasus64
<Begasus> switched architecture on the other laptop LinuxUser
<Begasus> Chances are great me being around
<Begasus> Well great not being the correct wording
<LinuxUser> goodbye everybody! i'll back tomorrow!
<Begasus> cu!
<LinuxUser> good sleeping!
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<Begasus> alright, build ok, demo up and running fine
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<matt3> hi rennj
<matt3> the good renny
<matt3> say to bernd korz => a great hello from mattia ... ;D
<Begasus> Bernd is occupied with other things :)
<matt3> ok, he is a good boy ... :D
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<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 3 commits to master [+6/-2/±4] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e32071ab52eb...03ef113afb44
<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 1b4a551 - aiohttp: bump version
<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 2b9b9a1 - Fix various Python dependencies
<Not-ff83> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 03ef113 - Poezio: remove check for running as root user
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<jmairboeck> I think I was somewhat successful with creating a PortMidi backend for Haiku: https://github.com/PortMidi/portmidi/pull/38 Let's see how this is received.
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<phschafft> :)
<jmairboeck> I also have a WIP haikuports recipe for it, but I think I'll wait for the upstream pull request
<jmairboeck> I'm still unsure whether I should add a device for the SoftSynth from the MIDI 1 kit to it, because currently it sees no devices if nothing is there and is not very useful. When starting MidiSynth, it registers an input and output device with the MidiRoster (using the SoftSynth), so then this is available.
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<nephele> I'm not sure exactly what you want, but as for demo midi producers there is a virtual piano in haikuports i think
<jmairboeck> yes, I have used that for testing
<jmairboeck> MidiSynth to be exact
<andreasdr[m]> Good morning
<jmairboeck> and if that is running, PortMidi shows some "devices" (i.e. Endpoints that have been registered in the MidiRoster)
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<Begasus> cu peeps!
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