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<chadmed> hopefully we can start shipping speakers enabled in the dt by default soon
<chadmed> from what stress testing i did before i had to get back to doing real life stuff, it was very hard to get the speakers in a state where they could theoretically let the magic smoke out
<chadmed> but very hard is a far cry from impossible
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<mps> what are experience with m1 and 8GB RAM. do we need swap space/partition in this case
<mps> btw, are RAM chips soldered or it can be replaced simply
<mps> s/it/they/
<sven> soldered
<mps> uh, I don't have 'fine' tools for modern devices, just old one
<mps> back to main question, I built some big packages on machine with 16GB RAM without swap, works fine. but I will now have one with 8GB RAM and not sure should be good idea to add swap partition on installation
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<psykose> ram for building stuff mostly matters in regards to ram per core
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<psykose> it's rare to find anything that needs more than 2G per thread, and even that is extreme (only thing in recent memory that actually uses that is clang and webkit..)
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<psykose> so if you stick to -j4 (for the 4 performance cores) you can still probably build anything without even thinking about it
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<mps> psykose: yes, but I remember that I couldn't built firefox 2-3 years ago on arm64 with 4GB ram
<psykose> it purely depended on how many threads you threw at it
<psykose> and, firefox has a broken build by default i think that doesn't respect any -j flags and uses nproc
<mps> -j4 on 4GB machine
<psykose> not sure if that was the case 2 years ago, it is the case now
<psykose> ah, yeah, bit small for it
<mps> I went with swap file and zram swap as solution
<mps> I forgot how much RAM and swap I needed to build it on x86_64, but iirc more
<psykose> assuming it respects -j using 2-3 would've been faster i think, but yeah, as long as it works :)
<sven> i build linux just fine with 8gb ram on the mac mini without swap fwiw
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<mps> actually linking phase need a lot of ram
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<mps> sven: I build linux on 4GB fine
<maz> as long as you don't use LTO, linking requires very little RAM. barely more than the size of the object you are trying to link.
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<maz> with LTO, all bets are off.
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<mps> maz: I remember that when building crystal lang I had to add 8 or 16 GB of swap, fails on linking without this
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<mps> hm, I'm probably blind but I can't find 'factory reset' option on macos. can someone shed some light
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<mps> nvm, looks like I found it
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<eatcake> this might be kinda off topic, but anyone know anything about android cuttlefish? Been trying for a while to get it to run on asahi, and just get error after error. Anyone ever try this before?
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<eatcake> I realized it required the 4k kernel, so im using that, and im using their docker image, but seems it won't run still. I think it fails to process the bootloader
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<David[m]123> Has anyone got working redshift, f.lux or a similar software?
<mps> David[m]123: it doesn't work on simpledrm
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<hpux735[m]> Has anyone else noticed that Rustlang did work on the alpha? I was able to use `cargo build` without failure and the executable ran. Was where some subtle bug that would result in instability?
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<j`ey> hpux735[m]: installed via rustup?
<hpux735[m]> Right
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<j`ey> if so, that works, it was the Arch PKGBUILD that didnt
<hpux735[m]> Very interesting. I did follow the breadcrumbs re. the page sizes... Got lucky, I guess. I tried to install swiftlang via the Arch PKGBUILD, but it was broken in entirely unrelated to Asahi reasons.
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