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<huberytao[m]>
I came across Asahi Linux in some tech channels. It's such a marvelous job for you guys to bring Linux to Apple Silicon! Excited to try it out, I encountered some perhaps network problems while installing -- after creating partitions, choosing which version to install and naming it, the installer again tried to download macOS OS package info, but it failed with several trials raising the error "Error downloading data (The read operation
<huberytao[m]>
timed out)" before the installer finally terminated. I would like to know if this was purely the network problem or had something to do with other matters, and what should I do to handle this. Thank you anyway for your cool project.
<huberytao[m]>
I have repeated the installer command for several times all with the same type of error XD
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<Glanzmann>
doootard[m]: Fedora has currently the lastest asahi kernel (only poviks i2c patch is missing). I use the following script to build the kernel (keep in mind that you also need to build m1n1/u-boot and put the u-boot.bin to /boot/efi/m1n1/boot.bin
<Glanzmann>
doootard[m]: So for fedora you would call the first three functions (build_kernel, build_m1n1, build_uboot). But instead of running 'make bindeb-pkg' you would run make modules vmlinuz dtbs install.
<Glanzmann>
doootard[m]: You can also extract my Debian kernel package and adopt the loader.conf - https://pbot.rmdir.de/ticuoIp5i_fvXi5zkmAdrw (This is what I did for Fedora).
<Glanzmann>
doootard[m]: But since the asahi release there is no user visable change in the kernel (other than poviks i2c patch).
<Glanzmann>
Last merge was Sat Mar 19 06:06:58 2022 +0900.
<Tramtrist>
cant wait to play with this with slackware 🐧
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<huberytao[m]>
I would really appreciate it if there are any offline installer
<huberytao[m]>
for the network may not be that open or fast in my region
<Glanzmann>
huberytao[m]: It is very simple to modify the installer to be offline. Just replace the REPO_URL, the url for the json and the path for the ipsw. THat's it.
<Glanzmann>
Of course you need to download the artefacts before.
<huberytao[m]>
Thank you, I'll give it a try.
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<mps>
good morning. anyone using xf86-input-mtrack with xorg? would be to see swipe configs for it
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<j`ey>
huberytao[m]: note that the IPSW is 12G I think(?)
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<mps>
s/would be/would be nice/
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<huberytao[m]>
Finally I fixed my network problems. Just another question -- if I am to install Asahi Linux on the original Macintosh HD where I have already stored many files, will those data be eventually erased after my installation?
<kode54>
no, it needs to shrink your macOS partition to make room
<kode54>
oh
<kode54>
you mean the installer files
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<kode54>
they end up in /tmp which usually lives until your next reboot
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<huberytao[m]>
emm, I don't mean the installer files ... actually I came to somewhere there is a button named Recovery, and when clicked into it, I should either recover my system from the Time Machine or reinstall MacOs ... also there are some other choices but I definitely won't choose them
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<huberytao[m]>
Maybe I should try it again to look more carefully, and take photos perhaps
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<huberytao[m]>
Oh so I have recovery button just because I manually terminated the installation after booting. However, I am now required to offer macOs credentials, and when I entered the password of my user, it fell into a loop, saying that "kmutil failed. Did you mistype your password?" But I am quite sure I typed correctly. So what is the macOs credential I ought to enter?
<Sobek[m]>
Hmm, keyboard layout shenanigans ?
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<huberytao[m]>
Oh it is when I choose not to set the custom boot object that I encountered the wrong typing loop. I choose to set custom boot object and put my system into Permissive Security, and this time it works
<huberytao[m]>
I don't really know what I am doing though and what is Permissive Security
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<tpw_rules>
that lets your system run non-macos kernels
<tpw_rules>
otherwise the computer will call back to apple to ask if apple likes the kernel, and they will say no
<tpw_rules>
"system" is kind of a misnomer there, it's just permissive security for that particular option in the boot menu. your regular macos install still has full security
<tpw_rules>
like was said in the release post, if you want to guarantee linux can't snoop on macos, turn on filevault
<huberytao[m]>
Thabk you for explaining. So in order to install sucessfully, is Permissive Security a must?
<tpw_rules>
yes
<huberytao[m]>
OIC, Thx
<tpw_rules>
but like i said, that only affects the asahi partition. if you boot back into macos by selecting it in the boot menu, macos will still be in Full Security mode
<huberytao[m]>
I see, so it won't do much harm to the security of macOs system
<tpw_rules>
no. as far as we know, the only way linux could negatively affect macos security is by touching files on its partition. but you can stop that by enabling filevault. linux could still delete macos, but that's not really a security problem
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<M0n0w1c[m]>
@tpw_rules I used your iso to perform my install. Should it update as a normal nixos install (including kernel updates)? Or do I need to do fresh installs of the iso to get the kernel/m1n1 updates?
<tpw_rules>
tl;dr update it like a normal nixos install. to update the kernel and m1n1 you'll have to download new files under m1-support from the git, or add it as a channel. but there haven't been any updates so
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<tpw_rules>
the isos do have pre-built kernel and m1n1, but it's probably faster to just compile them on your system rather than download the iso, boot it up, run all the commands, etc
<huberytao[m]>
<tpw_rules> "no. as far as we know, the..." <- This threat to security can be avoided by installing Asahi on another physical drive, right?
<tpw_rules>
i don't think so. the asahi stub partition always has to be internal
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<tpw_rules>
but like, if someone hated you that much they could also just open up your machine and pop the nand off the motherboard with a screwdriver
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<huberytao[m]>
very droll XD
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<j`ey>
Cy8aer[m]: whats the summary? for the non deustche sprecher
<Cy8aer[m]>
It's a test how a studio system can be used for development with asahi. I hope you can pump it in deepl.com
<Cy8aer[m]>
and it is promising
<huberytao[m]>
<huberytao[m]> "very droll XD" <- emm, English is not my native language. I may be misusing word "droll", forgive me
<jn>
it is a rather rare word, i didn't know it at all :)
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<huberytao[m]>
I just learned it from the political satire sitcom Yes Minister, quite impressive lol
<tpw_rules>
it's not very common in US english
<huberytao[m]>
Glad to know. So can I install Asahi on another external physical disk mounted to macOs? I am afraid my free space isn't enough.
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<huberytao[m]>
I mounted my hard drive and ran the online installer again to see if I can install Asahi on an external disk. It turned out the program can only resize the partitions in system disk (disk0). May I ask how to install Asahi Linux on an external disk?
<sven>
you'll always need a few GB of firmware on the internal disk, you can only put the Linux rootfs to an external one
<huberytao[m]>
Sorry, I missed this part ... shall read them first
<_jannau_>
j`ey: mac studio m1 ultra is fast, asahi linux installs without problems and works well (minus missing HW/SW support), apple silicon is a promising fast arm development platform
<blassphemy[m]>
I just deleted my pre-alpha installation of Asahi and tried the new installer on my MBP. MacOS (12.3.1) still works fine but the installer tells me that it is "Unable to determine primary OS"
<bluetail[m]>
I also have 12.3.1 installed and all I faced so far was that I am kind of in a bootloop - it takes 4 reboots toshow grub and its not instant after asahi was chosen
<bluetail[m]>
That to say
<bluetail[m]>
even marcan faced problems... but those were entirely different.
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<snek>
just got asahi installed, very painless experience!
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<blassphemy[m]>
Is there anything in the installer log that I should remove before uploading?