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<joske>
jannau: brightness control is a life saver :-). Every time the display turns off (with DCP) the brightness would go to almost unreadable, but now I can just restore it :-)
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<as400>
joske: is display brightness control in linux-asahi-dev already ?
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<j`ey>
as400: no
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<as400>
ok thx j`ey
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<joske>
as400: you'd need to cherry pick jannau's latest commits on top of asahi-wip and build that
<_jannau_>
please don't
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<joske>
why's that? Will it damage something?
<sven>
these WIP branches are generally meant for developers
<sven>
i've stopped pushing mine as often because end user tried to use them and then annoyed me when they e.g. didn't apply to the latest kernel anymore
<sven>
*users
<joske>
Yes, I understand that, and would not complain if it doesn't work
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<sven>
sure, but not everyone does and if people encourage people to cherry pick and/or merge them you'll end up with people who do complain
<joske>
sorry, won't do that again
<as400>
guys, I do understand your point of view - so no worries. I will not mob you in any way. Was just asking out of curiosity.
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<jannau>
the progress state in that wip branch would be best described as proof of concept
<jannau>
I don't think it's possible to destroy anything with the current state but it's possible that the HDR boosted brightness on the macbook pro 14/16" can cause damage or at least degraded lifetime if used improperly
<joske>
I'm using it on M1 mba and at about half brightness
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<joske>
yes, I figured that the main concern is code quality, so I tried it
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<joske>
otherwise I would not even try
<DarkShadow4444>
Is there already a way to play with the experimental GPU driver?
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<bcrumb>
Is there a potential effect on the battery health if not charging the device while mac os is booted? My battery health dropped by 1% - according towhat the device is reporting, in the last week, implying that if this trend continues - my battery should be dead in less than a year from now.
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<bcrumb>
In other words, is there any controlling done by mac os which reduces battery wear which is not available on the Asahi kernel and thus could cause fast battery degradation? I am always looking to not let my battery drop down below 50-60% and charge it up to around 80% and try to keep it there - and this 1% health drop is alarming so this is why I'm asking as a safety precaution.
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<bcrumb>
I mean - I suppose most of this is part of the normal battery degradation cycle and I can also guess that at some point battery degradation flattens off - just 1% per week seemed like a little much.
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<bcrumb>
It also may be due to different charging behaviour since my former method on mac os was to have constant 80%
<bcrumb>
via tools such as al dentre
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<waldi>
what is the battery health describing anyway?
<bcrumb>
waldi: probably some human readable measure for battery capacity
<bcrumb>
in comparison to factory
<mps>
bcrumb: I didn't added option to poweroff machine if battery drops below some percentage
<bcrumb>
mps: but limit is good hard cap to keep at that? temp limits I suppose no too right?
<bcrumb>
to be more verbose - daemon will stop charging at limit but I suppose there is no temperature control
<mps>
yes, I'm using this daemon for months, and some other users also
<bcrumb>
cool
<mps>
no, didn't thought about temperature. have no idea why it is needed for charging control
<bcrumb>
higher temp should mean more battery degradation
<bcrumb>
at like 35 C it should be bad - I guess
<mps>
you mean battery temperature
<bcrumb>
yeah
<ChaosPrincess>
does macos inhibit charging when battery is too hot?
<mps>
good idea to consider
<waldi>
are you actually able to get the battery hot?
<mps>
waldi: yes
<bcrumb>
ChaosPrincess: al dente at least does
<bcrumb>
waldi: if i charge my device while working i can reach 37 C
<ChaosPrincess>
eh, im not a fan of random third-party 'battery preservation' tools
<ChaosPrincess>
how do i know if they work at all, how do i know if they are not doing what the os is already doing, etc...
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<mps>
ChaosPrincess: I agree it would be better to have all these knobs in driver, but till some tools are ok
<ChaosPrincess>
i mean on macos side
<bcrumb>
I mean in any case higher battery temperature should be bad and reducing cycles should be preferable I suppose
<ChaosPrincess>
im not opposed to this logic being in userspace, im opposed to 3rd party blackbox userspace + blackbox kernel
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<bcrumb>
Sure, I'm also like clear things more - that script is pretty clear in what it does
<bcrumb>
*I
<mps>
on few chromebooks I have small shell script which control charging by limiting charge current
<ChaosPrincess>
also, dont batteries charge faster when hot? i defo remember some EV makers having battery heaters in their fast charge systems, and that effect should be the same on smaller batteries
<bcrumb>
I will dig around some more how apple handles battery charging factory
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<bcrumb>
ChaosPrincess: just from feel experience I do think there is some charge momentum in which battery starts charging faster either caused by temperature increase by also charge movement. In any case higher temperature should definitely make it easier for battery constituents move around activation energy all of that
<bcrumb>
*but also generally by charge movement
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<opticron>
ChaosPrincess, there is an ideal temperature range for battery fast charging that is warmer than nominal and I think depends on the chemistry involved
<ChaosPrincess>
well, y'all nerd sniped me into reading articles about temperature effects on battery performance :P
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<opticron>
Teslas definitely advertise preconditioning the battery prior to Supercharger stops to maximize charging performance and I assume other manufacturers do it, too (when the hardware is available, Nissan Leafs notoriously didn't have any battery conditioning)
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<bcrumb>
ok so it seems that consensus is that li batteries should be kept 30-70%, what i think happens when temp increases is - yes batteries can charge faster - but the more temp the easier it is for the internal electrode structure to get fucked up which leads to reduced capacity
<bcrumb>
i am sick of these chemical batteries our scientists should pull their pants up, take some drugs and make some "energy receivers" which literally get energy projected-upon from some higher dimension using elon musk quantum tech
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<bcrumb>
mps: why is the script set to exit if pid larger than 0?
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<bcrumb>
alright i see - so it should spawn a child process
<mps>
bcrumb: Nikola Tesla talked and worked on free energy one century ago but problem with free energy is ... it is free :)
<bcrumb>
right
<mps>
bcrumb: I set range from my back head, not sure if they are correct and best ones
<bcrumb>
ok, now i see
<mps>
you can change them and recompile, and can also give me advice which ones are better
<bcrumb>
kk
<bcrumb>
because here it's set to exit if sub zero or above
<bcrumb>
meaning only child process
<bcrumb>
ignore above, basically above 0 return and under
<mps>
yes, this is my understanding how to make correct daemon, though I'm far from expert on this
<mps>
actually I prefer supervised 'daemons'
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<ayke>
I actually wrote a very similar daemon today (in Python), before reading this discussion.
<ayke>
I'll test it a few days and maybe push it to GitHub to share
<ayke>
Also wanted to write a desktop tray icon to control it, but got lost in Qt details.
<mps>
ayke: I wrote first one in perl, in May
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<mps>
and C version I wrote in June
<mps>
both one were hacked in 10-15 minutes, didn't thought to make repo of them
<mps>
ones*
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<bcrumb>
mps: is it writing syslog for you?
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<mps>
bcrumb: yes
<mps>
I forgot to disable this
<bcrumb>
mps: to /var/log/syslog or /var/log/charge-ctl ?
<mps>
bcrumb: depends on your syslog server
<bcrumb>
mps: got it
<mps>
I have it in /var/log/messages
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<bcrumb>
i will hack when i have time on a journald version of that thing
<bcrumb>
syslog is good for shorter syntax I suppose but i think all should use systemd if on arch
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<jlinton>
BTW: I'm not sure if something got fixed in the installer, but I eventually managed to get it installed on the 2021 mac pro, by first installing 12.2 (via a DFU/ipsw image), upgrading it to 12.6 and then running the asahi installer. The clean installed 12.6 images (either via DFU or via the recovery->os reinstaller) would never boot the resulting asahi image.
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