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<wereiyou>
does anyone know how to disable the connection status prompts from other users? thay r quite annoying
<wereiyou>
the purple coloured ones
<wereiyou>
and btw do we have a discord server that i can join?
<aeroraptor>
wereiyou: some IRC clients have the ability to hide joins/parts
<bluetail>
wereiyou talking for myself: Discord is a bad place to be in. I know several persons leaving for being harassed for being different. Moderation is difficult and discord does ban every member of a flagged server. You cannot use discord with a vpn + without a phone number. They flag you as risk and then you are gone. I dont like Discord. Its a place
<bluetail>
full of toxic people. Of course, there is the exception. But its not a good thing for building communities that last.
<bluetail>
plus IRC has been the de-facto standard since the wii days even back in the team twiizers days
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<bluetail>
we had matrix support, but people were harassing us here and then we dropped support for the lack of feasible moderation...
<cylm>
also the discord client is bad
<bluetail>
although I heard asahi lina has a discord channel. I dont know where it is though!
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<wereiyou>
although for me i think i had a quite pleasant experience with discord.. tho it may not represeant anything
<wereiyou>
tho i did find discord more convenient to use
<wereiyou>
and members tend to be more active
<aeroraptor>
a lot of people want discord for a more mobile-friendly experience
<aeroraptor>
I tend to point them to irccloud
<aeroraptor>
which is what i use
<aeroraptor>
it's a service that provides an always-connected bouncer that you can access from a mobile client or webapps (there are desktop apps too, which is also what I use)
<aeroraptor>
personally I find discord a little too heavy and distasteful, IRC is much more sleek
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<bluetail>
I selfhost thelounge
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<aeroraptor>
yeah lounge is also a good option.
<bluetail>
yea, discord is painfully active sometimes, the lines scroll so fast that you cannot follow any topic. Of course, thats nothing I'd personally want. And I've seen this a LOT. And all of those animated gifs and memes. I cannot take it. Its way too distracting. Not to mention all the thirsty persons writing you when you have only the slightest amount
<bluetail>
of "Art" in your avatar...
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<bluetail>
I know u can disable stuffs, but its not the place I wanna be in...
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<aeroraptor>
that really isn't a discord v IRC thing
<aeroraptor>
go to an IRC channel for a popular topic, like one of the really popular linux channels, ubuntu or arch or whatever, and the lines will be blasting by with three or four concurrent conversations
<bluetail>
okay. So its a who is in those communities + moderation issue?
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<mac456>
Wiki says "It is possible to take an out-of-the-box Mac and install Linux on it without ever connecting it to a network." But how would you get past MacOS Setup Assistant, which wants internet connection for "activation" (machine specific signing of firmware)?
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<tpw_rules>
i don't think it needs internet access
<tpw_rules>
https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/manage-setup-assistant-depdeff4a547/web "The first time a Mac running macOS 13 is set up and connected to a network, it’s acknowledged as owned by an organization (Apple School Manager, Apple Business Manager, or Apple Business Essentials). As long as the device remains registered to the organization, when the device is erased, Setup Assistant requires a network connection to proceed with
<tpw_rules>
future activations. The Mac computer requires Apple silicon or an Apple T2 Security Chip."
<tpw_rules>
you do need to connect to the mothership if the machine is DFU restored but not out of the box afaik
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<mac456>
Yeah, I found that paragraph about Apple School Manager, etc., in Google. But I'm just thinking of a new mac that is not part of any organization or MDM. Don't you have to first go to reduced security mode (on Apple Silicon) to get it to skip activation during Setup Assistant? But you can't go to reduced security until you've created an admin user... catch 22. Am I wrong?
<tpw_rules>
no, you can just not connect it. it's activated from the factory
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<tpw_rules>
but will lose the activation if DFU restored
<mac456>
Ok, thanks, I understand.
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<owayss>
hello all :wave: what's the recommended method for system updates?
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<owayss>
quit
<owayss>
quit
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<scardracs>
owayss: using pacman, as always
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<LinuxM1>
Hello! is cpu power management currently managed on asahi? if I put it in standby the system consumes like on Mac Os? Also I wanted to know when is the implementation of video acceleration and sound working from speakers? I own the new MacBook Air M2
<blazra>
LinuxM1: There is cpu power management, but support for one of the lowest cpu power states is still missing, so the consumption in sleep is still higher than in macos
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<LinuxM1>
ah ok blazra! thanks
<LinuxM1>
I hope to be able to have a "stable" version of asahi in my air M2, above all I am interested in having low consumption and video and 2d acceleration
<blazra>
By video acceleration you mean video decode acceleration? That is still in the research phase I think. Speakers work, but need some work to be safe to use (to not blow them up).
<LinuxM1>
yes, video decode acceleretion
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<LinuxM1>
in my archlinux x86 i use MPV with video decode acceleration
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<mps_>
LinuxM1: even with simpledrm video with mpv is quite fine for me
<LinuxM1>
i would also like to see smooth web page browsing like on mac os or linux i use in laptop with x86 intel cpu
<mps_>
hm, again web is smooth for me
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<LinuxM1>
currently on asahi the scrolling of a web page is very bad, it is clear that the management of the GPU is missing
<j`ey>
what browser? seems to be fine for other people
<LinuxM1>
google chrome
<j`ey>
I haven't tried chrome on it, only ff, maybe someone else can say how it works for them
<LinuxM1>
if I use linux on the x86 laptop scrolling is perfect as on Mac Os
<mps_>
web browsing for me is same on m1 and on intel macbook, I don't see much difference, if I see at all
<mps_>
I mean with linux, I don't use macos at all
<LinuxM1>
scroll with touchpad is same on asahi??
<mps_>
yes
<mps_>
my son use macos and whenever I use his machine I don't see much difference
<LinuxM1>
I don't have this impression, it's not as fluid as on Mac or linux on the other X86 laptop
<mps_>
(except of cumbersome user interface for me)
<mps_>
probable some userspace issue or tweaks
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<blazra>
well, macos will be smoother because of the 120Hz refresh rate
<LinuxM1>
I don't know why, but currently I have uninstalled it, I have no pleasure in using it like this
<mps_>
blazra: simpledrm is also 120Hz
<LinuxM1>
no blazra, i use asahi in another macbook air M1 that not use 120HZ
<j`ey>
LinuxM1: is scrolling ok on the m1?
<_jannau_>
I doubt that but it doesn't apply to m2 devices anyway
<LinuxM1>
no, scrolling is ok in Mac oS and linux on x86 intel machine. Asahi in my M1 Macbook is bad
<LinuxM1>
now i buy a Macbook Air M2 but I haven't installed on this yet
<mps_>
just checked web smoothness on linux and macos with firefox on same url and and same models (m1pro macbooks) and don't see any difference
<mps_>
also confirmed by my son
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<LinuxM1>
mps i will try firefox! afternoon I install asahi again on macbook air M1 and we'll see. To put it on the new MacBook Air M2 I wait a few months for future improvements
<chadmed>
i think its important to keep in mind that everyones idea of "good" in this instance is going to be different as its highly subjective
<chadmed>
for me the redraw performance has been acceptable and nowhere near bad enough to preclude semi-permanent use, but i wouldnt call it "good" by any stretch
<LinuxM1>
I fully agree with your thinking
<mps>
chadmed: I had some issues at the beginning but later when set input device for xorg properly and for firefox it started to work very fine
<mps>
but I agree, everyone have different idea of 'nice'
<jannau>
chadmed: please wait for the gpu driver before using dcp/wayland
<chadmed>
im not, theres always been a bunch of screen tearing in firefox even on x11 with simpledrm
<jannau>
dcp on wayland will fix the tearing but rendering is too slow
<chadmed>
yeah its not usable at all at the moment but thats fine, x11 works well enough
<chadmed>
my point was just that everyones idea of "good" is different so theres no point asking questions like "why isnt ${feature} good yet"
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<Glanzmann>
regarding smooth scrolling. Please keep in mind that mps and I are using xorg. The default is wayland which by default slower. Also in firefox there is a checkbox called 'smooth scrolling' in the settings which might improve things by either checking or unchecking it, I don't recall. But at the time I modified it, it made a difference for me.
<Glanzmann>
I just checked, I have smooth scrolling checked.
<Glanzmann>
I also had some problem with uxterm scrolling not only on m1 but also on some intel platforms when using tmux. I now use alacritty as terminal. It burns a lot more cpu, but has smooth scrolling. :-)
<Glanzmann>
Maybe I should file a bug Thomas Dickey to get it fixed.
<mps>
Glanzmann: I use 'export MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1' in system wide /etc/profile
<mps>
and checked out (disabled) smooth scroll in firefox
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<Glanzmann>
mps: I see thanks for the tip, I have to try it.
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<vmeson>
linux/..
<vmeson>
oops
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<bcrumb>
if devices are files, is it possible to kill the front cam at kernel startup somehow?
<bcrumb>
so disable loading in some way?
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<j`ey>
well the there's no driver for the kernel yet, but you can block modules from loading
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<scardracs>
I have a question, just to be sure: if for some reason someone delete recoveryOS, is there a way to reinstall it?
<scardracs>
I haven’t deleted it but wondering what happens if someone actually do it
<sven>
dfu restore with another machine
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<scardracs>
I haven’t another Mac lol
<_jannau_>
maybe a macos upgrade if that doesn't fail straight away
<mps>
is the sound changed in latest tag release asahi-6.1-rc5-11? I got speakers at full gain and can't lower it with alsamixer
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<jannau>
scardracs: later. official mesa will not get support for the uapi exported by the kernel driver. this will only happen when the uapi is finished and in the upstream kernel
<jannau>
so the asahi use flag is not yet useful in the official gentoo mesa ebuild
<sven>
please do not push for unstable things to be integrated into official distros
<sven>
this will just make *everything* for us harder
<jannau>
it will require a special asahi kernel with closely matched version for the forseeable future
<sven>
there’s a reason none of this part of the usual asahi releases we make
<scardracs>
Understand
<jannau>
mps: compared to what? I don't think there were audio changes against the -rc3 tags but there were no audio changes since -rc5-9
<mps>
jannau: yes, also I didn't saw changes
<mps>
with asahi-6.1-rc5-9 it was ok
<mps>
I will try to boot with this previos version to see
<mps>
yes, reinstalling alsa-ucm-asahi and reboot solved issue. strange
<mps>
and this should be on #asahi-alt, because it is on alpine
<mps>
sorry
<mps>
not related to asahi distro
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<Izumoo>
Hello all! Just wanted to confirm - Are there any restrictions on newer versions of macOS that would prevent it to boot to expected 1TR? I tried on a later 12.x version and now from Ventura and Asahi is reporting on step2 that its in the wrong recovery no matter what I do seemingly. Thanks!
<Izumoo>
I'm following steps to best of my ability with the hold down -> Entering Startup Options but then it reboots and either goes there (where it fails step2.sh) or goes to a macOS recovery warning screen in my case. 2021 M1Pro MBP
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<Izumoo>
Since holding the main power just enters it into a bootloop seemingly, found a guide online that suggested the quick double tap hold which seems consistent to get to the options menu but it looks like that version notably doesnt touch the security state which is whats needed for step2 from what I understand. Is it possible my 1TR is bricked or something to that effect? Has such a thing been reported by prior asahi users?
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