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<jb1277976> Hi all, i haven't commented here in a while in fact i just rejoined this channel. i have a m1 mbp 16 inch and i would like to run gentoo on it. what is the status ?
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<capta1nt0ad> The wiki page hasn't been updated since Febuary and the `asahi-gentoosupport` package since August, but it still will probably work - https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Installing-Gentoo-with-LiveCD
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<capta1nt0ad> It basically consists of installing Asahi ALARM Minimal from the regular installer and booting the LiveCD off of the same GRUB menu; the rest is essentially the same as the Handbook.
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<chadmed> jb1277976: #asahi-alt
<chadmed> asahi-gentoosupport needs to grow support for fedora, i just havent had any time to do that
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<holiday> does asahi get support from fedora? meaning their team got bigger?
<holiday> or its the same team asking sometimes with support on specific tasks?
<holiday> for*
<j`ey> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Asahi it got support from fedora contributors
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<holiday> would have been interesting to see red hat devs switching their interest to arm
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<leio> Christian Hergert went fedora-asahi for his new main work laptop, that should mean a lot for getting any performance and such things to get tuned well for it :)
<j`ey> Linus too ;)
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<leio> only while travelling, I thought, but yes, I guess that's good too
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<holiday> hmm i configured hyprland but now apps like VSCodium and webcord have funny text
<holiday> its like the destkop is 2560x1600 scale 1.4 and the app's text is 480p
<holiday> nvm not only the text, the whole app
<holiday> intelliJ idea same
<holiday> only the firefox has good scaling :(
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<ydalton> holiday: it's likely those apps are running in Xwayland
<ydalton> run xwininfo, and hover over those programs. if your cursor turns into a cross, those are Xwayland apps. if your cursor stays normal, those are native Wayland apps
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<leio> wouldn't that be confusing and give false positives when a xwayland window is below a native wayland window?
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<ydalton> let me try
<leio> at least for me with another tool (can't remember, I think xdpyinfo), which shows details about a X window, including its icon in ascii art, it would show what's beneath the wayland window if anything X is there
<leio> and with GNOME it used to be a full screen guard X11 window too
<ydalton> it doesn't, i put a Xwayland app behind my native Wayland terminal and it said the terminal was native Wayland
<ydalton> leio: let my try that tool
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<ydalton> i have no idea what the output of that command means lol
<leio> basically if nothing Xwayland is below, the click just does nothing
<ydalton> this is the output of xwininfo https://termbin.com/0o3h
<ydalton> no ascii art or anything
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<leio> Window id can be checked to make sure it isn't displaying something below instead, I guess
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<leio> I'm having a hard time testing it myself, as I don't think I have any Xwayland apps in sight :)
<dovu> hi! with fedora 39 release on tuesday, is it safe to install fedora asahi then? or should you wait some days after that release?
<leio> yup, xwininfo works good and as you advertised
<leio> I think that's because it works with mouse position more deeply than the tool I used; I guess my tool was more like "click somewhere and I'll find what X window is in that global coordinate space you clicked at", while xwininfo interacts with exactly what you clicked on, as it also seem to handle mouse enter/leave events in terms of the cursor looks, etc
<holiday> dovu: im running the beta now and it feels good
<holiday> ydalton: seems like it might be a bug on hyprland
<ydalton> holiday: yes, that is an Xwayland issue
<holiday> damn then im stuck with either really small text or bad resolution
<holiday> wait i might try pumping the res up to 4k or something
<holiday> and scale down
<ydalton> except on KDE, Xwayland apps don't properly scale and the result is blurriness
<leio> intellij stuff tends to be problematic when you have different scale monitors
<leio> vscode might support wayland native
<ydalton> that's why i basically only use Wayland native apps
<ydalton> holiday: did you try xwininfo?
<leio> intellij is xwayland for sure (unless you knowingly pull in some experimental java things for it to use iirc), their wayland porting is not far enough
<leio> but worth checking vscodium
<ydalton> is this wezterm a Wayland native app or Xwayland?
<ydalton> holiday: this issue you linked looks completely unrelated
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<holiday2> i hate univ network connection
<ydalton> lol, in my college i can't even connect to irc
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<holiday> my uni has good internet
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<ydalton> i thought it was autumn break or something, at least for me
<holiday> but only in a certain building
<holiday> i left that building to go to programming courses
<holiday> and literally talked alone on irc
<holiday> before hitting the 480 sec marc
<holiday> mark
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<holiday> ydalton: i tried xwinfo but my mouse didnt change
<holiday> i will try troubleshooting this a lil later since i have to write java now :(
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<ydalton> not at all? even with intellij?
<holiday> wait lemme try intellij
<holiday> it worked
<holiday> it becomes a cross
<holiday> when hovering over intellij
<ydalton> yes, that means it's Xwayland, so it is working properly
<ydalton> and the other blurry apps?
<holiday> probably still Xwayland
<holiday> yep
<holiday> armcord xwayland
<ydalton> so it's no mystery
<holiday> no way to fix it?
<holiday> other than using only wayland apps?
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<ydalton> you can at least try to fix electron apps: i remember adding "--ozone-platform=wayland" runs those programs in native Wayland
<holiday> ok i will try
<holiday> thanks guys
<ydalton> as for intellij i don't think there is a fix
<ydalton> that's why i stopped using it lol
<zeromind> intellij is supposed to come with native wayland support at some point at least, https://blog.jetbrains.com/platform/2023/08/wayland-support/
<holiday> wayland>>
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<DannyB> @holiday: For intellij you can tell it to use opengl instead of xrender
<DannyB> holiday: add the VM options -Dsun.java2d.opengl=True and -Dsun.java2d.opengl.fbobjects=True to the custom VM options
<DannyB> you will get a few rendering artifacts here and there but it wil be both faster and it should do your text right :)
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<eiln> ChaosPrincess: do you know the internal name for the ambient light sensor?
<eiln> I don't recall seeing anything about it in camera
<eiln> apple spec page groups it with keyboard/trackpad
<eiln> the keyboard backlight certainly responds to it
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<eiln> nvm, ALS/"Apple Light Sensor". I thought they would call it something funny
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<ChaosPrincess> eiln: no special name, but it is annoying in that its connected as a macos-fake-hid via AOP
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<holiday> DannyB: i dont know where should i add the options
<holiday> as for the intellij fix, im sure other apps i use might have the same issue
<holiday> so i better stick to smaller text
<holiday> or blurryness if i dont wanna ruin my eyesight lol
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