marcan changed the topic of #asahi to: Asahi Linux: porting Linux to Apple Silicon macs | "Does XXX work yet?": https://alx.sh/fs | GitHub: https://alx.sh/g | Wiki: https://alx.sh/w | Topics: #asahi-dev #asahi-re #asahi-gpu #asahi-alt #asahi-stream #asahi-offtopic | Keep things on topic | Logs: https://alx.sh/l/asahi
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<Carisa_>
Hi I have a question, when i try to install it says "Your macOS version is too old. Please upgrade to macOS 13.5 or newer.", is there any way to bypass this, i really dont want to update my system
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<nicolas17>
tpw_rules: huh I originally installed it when I was on monterey, when did the req change?
<tpw_rules>
it was reasonably recent, they wanted new firmware versions for things i think
<tpw_rules>
in reality i did say it more for the support concerns...
<nicolas17>
need newer system-wide firmware?
<nicolas17>
the later-loaded firmware is per OS install, Asahi has its own copy, so it *could* use 13.5 even if your macOS is 12; but I guess you can't have 13.5 firmware there if iBootStage1 etc is from 12.x :/
<tpw_rules>
yeah i don't know the exact reasoning. i just respect the project's choices lol
<nicolas17>
so in theory you could install macOS 13.x as a dualboot, then install asahi, then remove 13.x, and you get to keep macOS 12 and asahi
<nicolas17>
it will take you the whole day messing with computers but you *could* :D
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<tpw_rules>
or screw with the expert options and modifying the installer
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<marcan>
Tramtrist: the M2 Air macos DSP was actively buggy, I figured that out lol. it's just bad.
<marcan>
it'll sound better on Linux, the M2 15" Air already does with chadmed's profiles
<marcan>
apple really screwed up some of these profiles
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<joske>
marcan: regarding widevine on ALARM, you can install 'widevine-aarch64', this installs a patched 'old' glibc. You can then use 'register_widevine_{chromium, firefox}' and restart your browser.
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<marcan>
joske: patching glibc is horrible and I'm never going to recommend that
<marcan>
and the register thing is silly, you can do it systemwide as I do in widevine-installer
<joske>
well, on arch I'd still need to build a newer glibc (I tried but still could not get your widevine installer to work)
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<joske>
that may be because I'm too dumb of course :D
<joske>
I mean, the installer worked, but no widevine in chromium nor firefox
<Namidairo>
sounds like there's a tiny tiny pop when chromium changes pages with audio playing, or perhaps its my imagination
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<abd>
Ive been out of the loop on asahi news for a bit, what are the opinions about switching to fedora remix from arch right now? Does the installer even support this?
<opticron>
it's a fresh reinstall
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<bluetail>
abd I won't do it. My setup just runs since ever I've setup. And ontop I am concerned about SELinux as I had lots of issues on my AM4 platform with it. I just leave my NAS setup be :)
<bluetail>
But I guess, if you have the time, why not?
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<Soni>
thoughts on switching over to an ipv6-only kernel?
<nicolas17>
that doesn't make much sense
<Soni>
why not?
<nicolas17>
I have an IPv4-only network so if you make Asahi IPv6-only then I can't use the Internet
<Soni>
why not?
<Soni>
also, we said kernel, not asahi
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<Soni>
we can implement ipv4 in userspace. might require a bit of patching libc but it should mostly just work.
<nicolas17>
does such an implementation already exist?
<ChaosPrincess>
what are the benefits of ipv6 only kernels?
<Soni>
no but we'd love to gauge interest
<nicolas17>
"implementing ipv4 in userspace" sounds completely unrelated to "porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs" tbh
<Soni>
yeah maybe apple should do it first tbh
<Soni>
but we mean asahi likes to one-up apple as far as we know
<ChaosPrincess>
that would be a very stupid one-up
<nicolas17>
you didn't explain the benefits / why it would be a one-up
<ChaosPrincess>
go look at ipv6 penetration charts before suggesting that :P
<nicolas17>
"A fair pile of them refuse to do ipv6 despite doing cgnat v4, one even publicly going "why would a consumer want that" while online gaming doesn't work well behind their cgnat" <- I just saw this in another chat, coincidentally
<ChaosPrincess>
i.e my current isp went "ip v what? to my question about their ipv6 support".
<ChaosPrincess>
and the previous one said "sure, just pay $X extra for another ip and we will do it".
<ChaosPrincess>
*$X/mo
<Soni>
again: we can have ipv6-only kernel and connect to ipv4-only networks
<Soni>
it's only a mild bastardization of the IETF standards
<Soni>
it does break the ABI tho
<Soni>
but that's a good thing
<ChaosPrincess>
And why would one do that?
<Soni>
to move things into the ipv4 in userspace world
<nicolas17>
you haven't explained the benefits yet
<Soni>
helps push ipv6 adoption
<nicolas17>
if ipv4 would Just Work, I don't see how it would push for ipv6
<psykose>
is this trolling
<ChaosPrincess>
Its like saying that you should break keyboard drivers to push touchscreen adoption
<Soni>
ipv4 connectivity would just work. but there would be no iptables, and software that uses the syscalls directly would have to bring its own ipv4
<ChaosPrincess>
the only result is that your users will say wtf were they smoking and switch to a not-insane distro
<Soni>
(you'd have to learn ip6tables instead. not that it's much different.)
<nicolas17>
so you're actively trying to worsen the experience of ipv4 users to push ipv6 adoption
<psykose>
yep, definitely trolling
<Soni>
not really
<Soni>
we're just trying to get ppl to use ipv6 for ipv4
<Soni>
as an ipv6 transition technology
<ChaosPrincess>
Dont worry about this chainsaw im about to take to your hands, im just trying to get you to use voice assistant technology :P
<Soni>
there are a few of those already, none of them really go into "move ipv4 into userspace" territory so far
<nicolas17>
btw Apple already has Wi-Fi in userspace, and there is a curiously named libusrtcp.dylib :)
<Soni>
okay but is that not just treating tcp like udp and passing the raw packets onto userspace for tcp state machine processing? (is there a libusrudp.dylib?)
<nicolas17>
I don't know what it's doing really, I have just seen it in logs
<Soni>
okay
<Soni>
we suppose we should move further discussion into #asahi-offtopic but we still wanna know if there would be interest in making the asahi kernel ipv6-only while still supporting ipv4-only and dual-stack networks
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