#asahi on 2023-11-09 — irc logs at oftc.irclog.whitequark.org

2023-03-01 05:50 marcan changed the topic of #asahi to: Asahi Linux: porting Linux to Apple Silicon macs | "Does XXX work yet?": https://alx.sh/fs | GitHub: https://alx.sh/g | Wiki: https://alx.sh/w | Topics: #asahi-dev #asahi-re #asahi-gpu #asahi-alt #asahi-stream #asahi-offtopic | Keep things on topic | Logs: https://alx.sh/l/asahi

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00:42 <jmr2> bendodroid: SystemRecovery version 0 is what I started seeing after marcan fixed the error I reported on Oct. 31. See the channel logs. Glad to see I'm not the only occurrence.

00:43 <jmr2> I fised it with a DFU firmware restore, but since version 0 doesn't seem to have consequences, the fix is probably unnecessarily risky.

00:44 <jmr2> *fixed

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02:18 <statulr> hi

02:18 <statulr> I am new

02:18 <statulr> first message on irc

02:18 <statulr> is anyone here?

02:19 <statulr> Is there a help channel? also

02:20 <statulr> @dhewg hi

02:20 <statulr> oh this isn't like discord :skull:

02:20 <statulr> :sob:

02:20 <statulr> bruh

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02:39 <ah-> hi statulr, yep it's a little different from discord. less memes and emojis

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02:48 <statulr> k

02:48 <statulr> well

02:48 <statulr> basically

02:48 <statulr> I am on

02:48 <statulr> asahi minal

02:48 <statulr> *Minimal

02:48 <statulr> how do I connect to the wifi and install archinstall?

02:48 <statulr> @ah-

02:48 <statulr> ah-

02:48 <statulr> ugh idk how to ping LOL

02:48 <statulr> ++

02:49 <statulr> clear

02:51 <statulr> got it working

02:51 <statulr> :D

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03:20 <markos_> Hi everyone! Is this going through?

03:21 <markos_> I've never used IRC before, I'm using it through Polari so I have no clue if or how this connected lol. The logs say that it went through

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03:29 <markos__> alright we're in boys. Except with an extra underscore this time

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03:37 <markos__> Anyway. My name is Markos, I am a student at Penn State studying Data Science. I also work as a QA analyst, so I am familiar with QA processes and testing in general. I am very interested in getting into the development side of the project, but I am not experienced in that. Otherwise, I'm happy to help if there are testing tasks that need to be done

03:39 <markos__> Can you ping people in IRC? How does this work? I would say ping me if there are ever things you want me to test. I will go through the issue boards sporadically and try to recreate/test issues and add more information in them

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03:41 <i509vcb> markos__: generally clients will check for matches on names and make a notification then

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04:34 <marcan> jmr2: version 0 just means we don't know how to check what version it is, I gave up on trying harder

04:35 <marcan> once the SFR problem is finally fixed I'm just going to rip all that code out and ban the entire range of bad SFR versions and call it a day

04:35 <marcan> nicolas17: and yeah they didn't fix ProMotion :p

04:36 <marcan> assuming the "latest SFR" behavior holds, SFR 14.1.1 is still bugged. they probably just backported the Sonoma change to Ventura to make *that* version still boot.

04:36 <marcan> (because Ventura users were completely fucked if they set the refresh rate normally)

04:36 <marcan> (so now Ventura is back at the Sonoma situation, where it works but your System Recovery might be fucked and other macOS versions still don't boot)

04:36 <marcan> I think they are likely to fix this properly in 14.2

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04:46 <jmr2> Banning the whole range make sense, but this is the code where you check that version. Given that I was stuck on 12.2.1, my understanding is that I have been in the banned range with no way to fix the issue.

04:47 <jmr2> My point was that so far, I was the only known case, but now there likely are two.

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05:12 <marcan> nah I've heard from a few others too

05:12 <marcan> I think it's probably just really old versions

05:15 <nicolas17> the Ventura changelog says 13.6.2 fixed ProMotion, but this doesn't mention 14.1.1 at all https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213893

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05:19 <marcan> nicolas17: but 13.6.2 *has* to install the latest SFR, so unless they're pushing some 14.2 beta in there, it wasn't fixed in SFR

05:20 <marcan> which means it's probably what I said, just a backport of the Sonoma change on the iBoot2/OS side

05:20 <nicolas17> yeah

05:21 <nicolas17> I don't fully understand the whole SFR situation...

05:21 <marcan> I didn't bother test 13.6.2 outright (the bug forced me to upgrade to Sonoma after the DFU lol) but I did install 14.1.1 and it definitely comes with 14.1.1 SFR and still can't hand off to pre-13.6.2

05:22 <marcan> AFAICT "normal" updates using the updater or installer packages always pull the latest SFR from the relevant branch

05:22 <marcan> I had the 13.5 installer do that

05:22 <marcan> (put me on 14.1 SFR)

05:22 <nicolas17> there is a com.apple.MobileAsset.SFRSoftwareUpdate asset type in the update server, which only provides 14.1.1, but I don't know in what circumstance macOS pulls a SFR alone from the server

05:23 <marcan> I think it probably always does if it can

05:23 <marcan> which explains why it works like this

05:24 <nicolas17> then there's the InstallAssistant.pkg, which used to contain that same SFR zip (the same one that comes from the update server), but it stopped being included since 13.3

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05:27 <marcan> yeah so that explains why installing via that still grabbed the latest from the server

05:27 <nicolas17> https://paste.debian.net/1297631/

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08:00 <kidplayer666> statulr: this is how you ping someone

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11:06 <kidplayer666> just checked the github page and saw the commit enabling the j313 speakers, but it also says it's limited by speakersafetyd. Does this mean that the volume will be limited to an arbitrary low amount or does it mean that it'll be completely locked

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11:10 <ar> kidplayer666: it will be limited to a low believed-safe level unless a piece of software is running and operational

11:11 <kidplayer666> that is really cool! really jealous of those m1 airs rn....

11:11 <kidplayer666> :P

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11:36 <j`ey> it's still not released yet though (the tag isnt yet an invitation to try it!)

11:39 <kidplayer666> yes yes i know

11:39 <kidplayer666> theres no build yet on fedora servers

11:39 <kidplayer666> but still exciting

11:40 <kidplayer666> and im still very jealous

11:40 <kidplayer666> as an M1 macbook pro 13" user

11:47 <kidplayer666> cause it won't be long for them to get a new kernel with the speakers

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15:13 <bendodroid> jmr2: Ah, interesting. My logs start with my message so I don't see your message (just IRC things I guess). I don't have a second Mac at hand, might try a DFU restore out of curiosity when I get the chance :P

15:14 <bendodroid> Ah, reading the following messages now...

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17:56 <nicolas17> today's Apple bug: it seems createinstallmedia is broken in 13.6.2

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18:09 <ydalton> that's a lot of bugs in a 2 week period!

18:10 <nicolas17> iOS betas just released

18:11 <ydalton> kidplayer666: it's not just the kernel that needs updating, you need also speakersafetyd to raise the volume to its best case

18:12 <kidplayer666> Well ofc

18:12 <kidplayer666> But I’m guessing both get built at around the same time

18:13 <kidplayer666> nicholas17: I just saw the news, as reported by mark Gurmain (buthxhered the name for sure) that Apple has paused iOS and macOS development to fix all the bugs currently present

18:13 <nicolas17> that was a bit of a bullshit article I think

18:14 <ydalton> how can fedora add packages without explicitly installing them? i assume when speaker support becomes a thing, speakersafetyd will be installed alongside the kernel update, so how would that work? would would it require manual intervention?

18:14 <nicolas17> they were doing like a 1-week pause on the iOS 18 branch, it shouldn't be a big deal to be in the news but tech journalists gonna tech journalist

18:14 <ydalton> nicholas17: more like journalists gonna journalist

18:15 <nicolas17> ydalton: I think it will be something like, new version of asahi-meta depending on speakersafetyd

18:15 <j`ey> ^

18:16 <ydalton> that's actually rather smart

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18:16 <j`ey> https://copr-dist-git.fedorainfracloud.org/cgit/@asahi/fedora-remix-scripts/asahi-platform-metapackage.git/tree/asahi-platform-metapackage.spec#n25 ydalton nicolas17

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18:20 <ydalton> so when speaker support comes, they'll add a "Requires" attribute with speakersafetyd in this package right?

18:21 <j`ey> as I understand it, yeah

18:22 <nicolas17> there we go, macOS 14.2b2

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19:01 <PaulFertser> ydalton: for the reference, when a kernel with speaker support gets installed it'll be limiting the maximum volume really hard before speakersafetyd starts (and continues all the time) talking to it. If it crashes and doesn't restart the kernel will again limit it severely fully automatically.

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19:11 <kidplayer666> nicholas17: a week of pause is still an acknowledgment that there are severe issues. And it’s coming from one of the most reliable Apple leakers, so…

19:11 <nicolas17> anyone here getting an M3 Mac? I'm still looking for someone willing to dump the preinstalled macOS before updating it, and that's getting increasingly hard

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19:18 <holiday> after installing Hyprland I have to input my wifi password each time it disconnects from it

19:19 <holiday> any idea of why does that happen?

19:19 <holiday> i even reinstalled asahi and hyprland

19:23 <ar> holiday: recent versions of NetworkManager require some sort of a secret store

19:24 <ydalton> holiday: yep, i've had that happen with wayfire when connecting to my school network

19:24 <holiday> is it fixable?

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19:25 <ydalton> i'm not sure, when i moved to gnome i didn't have that problem no more

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19:27 <holiday> oh

19:28 <j`ey> ar: or it just goes in a file.. which I think is ok for me

19:30 <j`ey> moving to gnome is what fixed it probably because gnome has the gnome-something-keyring

19:30 <j`ey> like kde has kwallet

19:30 <j`ey> holiday: set it up from the command line with nmcli

19:31 <holiday> ok will try

19:31 <holiday> brb

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19:33 <holiday> ok i connected using nmcli d wifi connect

19:34 <holiday> it still prompted me to insert password using GUI after typing the command

19:34 <holiday> but will see at the next boot if it's going to remember it

19:35 <j`ey> holiday: did it ask for the password from the command line?

19:35 <holiday> yeah like

19:35 <holiday> i did "nmcli d wifi connect -name- password -password-

19:36 <holiday> and then it prompted the GUI to reinput the password after inputing it once in terminal

19:36 <j`ey> ah

19:38 <j`ey> holiday: look into /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/

19:39 <holiday> found "-name-.nmconnection

19:40 <j`ey> pretty sure my version of that file, has my password in, but dont have my asahi laptop here right now

19:40 <holiday> tried to nvim inside it but it seems empty

19:40 <holiday> oh wait it says "permission denied"

19:41 <holiday> yeah i sudoed it but my pswd is nowhere to be found in here

19:42 <j`ey> holiday: try `nmcli d wifi connect --ask ..`, see if that puts it in there

19:44 <holiday> doesnt seem like it unfortunately

19:52 <mort_> I set up sway and tbh I think that's the right UI for these asahi laptops

19:53 <mort_> I think GNOME's attempt at being macOS-like makes me just get annoyed at bugs (either GNOME bugs or others) which aren't in macOS

19:54 <mort_> something about sway's merciless "your computer is your responsibility, if it doesn't work how you want to then you should and are empowered to fix that" stance makes me approach this stuff differently

19:58 <holiday> mort_: linux users be like "damn i love pc's they should be harder to use"

19:58 <mort_> tbh yea

19:58 <mort_> I just wrote some code today to have volume level changes reflected instantly in the status bar

19:59 <mort_> it's stupid af but there's a charm to it

19:59 <holiday> yea i understand the feeling :))

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20:02 <mort_> also, these GPU drivers seem to like wlroots much more than mutter

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20:29 <kidplayer666> holiday: by some reason KDE does that too

20:30 <kidplayer666> I just disabled kwallet and manually set for the Wi-Fi password to be saved unencrypted :P

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20:32 <holiday> kidplayer666: how do you do that? (im noob xd)

20:32 <kidplayer666> holiday: on KDE?

20:33 <kidplayer666> Cause I did it all with GUI options

20:33 <holiday> oooh

20:33 <holiday> yeah i think i need the terminal way :))

20:33 <kidplayer666> Crap

20:33 <kidplayer666> Im not masochist enough to use window managers

20:33 <kidplayer666> Even tho I have a friend who is trying to push me

20:34 <holiday> masochist??

20:34 <holiday> i swear it's better

20:34 <holiday> i even considered switching to yabai on macOS

20:34 <holiday> because i love it

20:40 <kidplayer666> What are the advantages

20:41 <PaulFertser> Of a tiling WM in general?

20:42 <kidplayer666> Of a window manager in general

20:44 <nicolas17> you mean a standalone window manager without a whole desktop environment?

20:44 <nicolas17> because you *are* using a window manager now, it's called KWin :P

20:46 <kidplayer666> Yes I know

20:46 <kidplayer666> Obviously

20:49 <holiday> the advantages are being faster? like i use only my keyboard and the mouse only inside apps like firefox

20:49 <holiday> the display is always full

20:50 <holiday> and you maximize its size so any app will take advantage of the size it has

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20:51 <nicolas17> we got a filesystem dump of the preinstalled macOS 14.1 on M3 Pro but still looking for 13.5 on M3 ._.

20:51 <kidplayer666> But how do you manage the exchange of placement of windows

20:51 <kidplayer666> Im supposing it’s keyboard bindings

20:51 <kidplayer666> But my question is

20:51 <kidplayer666> Whether you’re not already able to do that on a normal DE

20:52 <nicolas17> gonna get increasingly hard to find people who didn't update yet

20:52 <holiday> im not sure, you might, but its easier to have something designed for that i think?

20:53 <holiday> nicolas17: I thought apple is working on a fix regarding the recoveryOS issue?

20:53 <nicolas17> holiday: unrelated

20:53 <holiday> oh ur talking abt something else

20:53 <kidplayer666> holiday: it just kinda sounds unnecessary to be forced to use such bindings instead of always having the more comfortable fallback

20:53 <kidplayer666> Especially if you need to do stuff like idk

20:53 <nicolas17> M3 Macs come with a non-public build of 13.5 out of the box, then you get a day-1 update to 14.1

20:53 <kidplayer666> Turning on Wi-Fi

20:54 <kidplayer666> nicholas17: then do you need someone who hasn’t connected their Mac to the internet to do the dump?

20:54 <nicolas17> well it doesn't auto-update

20:55 <nicolas17> but most people probably will update it pretty soon after buying it, especially if they want to migrate data from another Mac

20:55 <holiday> kidplayer666: wifi still has an icon in the upper right part of the screen :D, or where you want it to be

20:56 <holiday> nicolas17: why do you need the dump from a non public build of 13.5?

20:58 <nicolas17> reverse-engineers want it :P

20:59 <nicolas17> if there's "something special" in (say) the public 13.4 release, like something Apple shouldn't have published but left behind in the filesystem by mistake, we can download it at any time and find it; but for "13.5 for M3" there is no download

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20:59 <j`ey> nicolas17: markan can probably get that, assuming his comes with 13.5

21:00 <nicolas17> M3 Pro and M3 Max come with a non-public build of 14.1, and someone shared a dump of that today already

21:00 <nicolas17> only base M3 comes with 13.5

21:00 <j`ey> oh

21:00 <j`ey> janneg: did you order m3?

21:00 <nicolas17> (which led to rumors of "the M3s were probably intended to be released months ago and got delayed for some reason" etc)

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21:01 <holiday> they should take it easier istg

21:01 <holiday> all the companies should

21:02 <holiday> so much waste and bugs because of yearly releases

21:02 <holiday> a lot more harm than good

21:02 <holiday> unrelated to the dump files but yk

21:03 <kidplayer666> That’s why NVIDIA slowed down the release of graphics cards

21:03 <kidplayer666> \s

21:03 <kidplayer666> Cant do forwards slash s or it thinks it’s a command lol

21:03 <holiday> lmao

21:03 <nicolas17> holiday: I know of at least two security researchers (there's probably more out there) who have 50TB NAS with every build of macOS/iOS :P

21:04 <nicolas17> https://theapplewiki.com/wiki/Beta_Firmware/iPhone/17.x like, every file here... it adds up quick

21:04 <j`ey> if you get a 100k paycheck, 50TB nas is worth it :P

21:04 <holiday> i swear it felt like all my childhood we had only GTX 1050-1080 cards and now we have like 4 different gens of RTX

21:04 <holiday> i feel old

21:04 <holiday> nicolas17: that seems wayy too hard to manage

21:05 <holiday> very interesting tho, i wish i could get a career in cybersecurity

21:05 <kidplayer666> Why only wish?

21:06 <holiday> i cant even pass linear algebra in my first uni year :P

21:06 <holiday> cybersec is currently far away

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21:53 <kidplayer666> linear algebra is unfortunatly quite the annoyance

21:53 <kidplayer666> wait. ya get algebra first year uni

21:54 <kidplayer666> i talked to some other cs students from other countries and they found it weird it wasn't included in the high school curriculum

21:58 <opticron> algebra was included in my HS curriculum, but they make you test out of it for college here just in case you've dumped it out of your head

21:59 <mort_> algebra or linear argebra

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22:07 <kidplayer666> linear algebra

22:07 <kidplayer666> as in matrixes

22:08 <nicolas17> holiday: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0-GT3co4r2y2YErbmuJw2L5tW4Ew2O5B

22:10 <kidplayer666> mr 3 blue 1 brown also has a series on calculus

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22:11 <kidplayer666> very useful

22:18 <opticron> oh, yeah, LA was definitely not in HS

22:20 <kidplayer666> oh fun

22:20 <kidplayer666> then belgium is weird

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22:50 <skippypaws> yo yo, looks like i'm running into a crash with the installer when it tries to slurp ioreg output - "xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 432508, column 38", is this known?

22:50 <skippypaws> log: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6OmXwgR1/installer.log

22:50 <skippypaws> could've sworn this was working the other week, so i'm not too sure what changed in the meantime

22:52 <nicolas17> "ioreg -alp IOService > ioreg.xml" and see if there's anything weird on line 432508?

22:52 <nicolas17> (does it really have that many lines?)

22:52 <skippypaws> nearly 500k lines, apparently

22:52 <skippypaws> is that unusal?

22:53 <nicolas17> no, I have no idea what this xml is for :)

22:53 <skippypaws> on that line, there's 22 tab characters followed by "<string>DCP0Endpoint10</string>"

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22:54 <skippypaws> i ran the installer again and the line changed (…), but the line it points to doesn't look particularly malformed or anything

22:55 <nicolas17> run ioreg manually twice, is the output the same both times?

22:56 <skippypaws> nope, that doesn't seem too weird though considering that it's probably dumping some live state

22:56 <nicolas17> yeah but maybe comparing two outputs would show that there's garbage at different places or something

22:57 <skippypaws> mm, doesn't look too weird https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nNTSBxAD/ioreg.diff

22:57 <delsol> 500k line ioreg?!

22:58 <skippypaws> OS is 14.1.1 (23B81) btw

22:58 <delsol> god damn. my old intel MBP13 is only 122k lines.....

22:59 <skippypaws> 🤔

22:59 <nicolas17> yeah okay that indeed looks like live state changing a lot

23:02 <skippypaws> i'm trying to do some code folding wrangling in sublime to see if there's a rogue xml node somewhere but i'm struggling lol

23:04 <nicolas17> see if "plutil ioreg.xml" complains

23:06 <skippypaws> ok, wait no i see something now after using vim instead of sublime

23:06 <skippypaws> <string>SYNAR\x10</string>

23:06 <skippypaws> there's a \x10 there (not literally what's in the file, but can't exactly paste nonprintables here)

23:07 <nicolas17> what's the <key> above that?

23:07 <skippypaws> <key>BranchDeviceID</key>

23:07 <tpw_rules> do you have something screwy plugged in over USB?

23:08 <skippypaws> the usb hub attached to my dock did start acting weird lately now that you mention it 🙃

23:08 <tpw_rules> not really what i meant lol. can you paste the whole file

23:08 <skippypaws> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/pqS7j4w4/bad.xml

23:08 <skippypaws> ah, found the pastebin function

23:08 <tpw_rules> is that your monitor?

23:09 <skippypaws> not sure?

23:09 <tpw_rules> do you have an external monitor attached? what system?

23:09 <skippypaws> yes. M1 MBA 2020

23:09 <tpw_rules> what if you unplug it?

23:09 <nicolas17> my M2 MBP has a com.apple.driver.DCPDPFamilyProxy but BranchDeviceID is empty

23:09 <nicolas17> no monitor plugged in

23:10 <nicolas17> ah I see, my Location key is Embedded while yours is External

23:11 <tpw_rules> i have a monitor plugged in and my BranchDeviceID is "pHDMIf"

23:11 <skippypaws> i unplugged my entire usb dock and it works now, so it's definitely something there

23:12 <tpw_rules> i can't imagine it's an attribute of it that would change

23:12 <skippypaws> i couldn't unplug just the monitor because even despite removing the cable macos still thought there was another display attached

23:12 <nicolas17> is "SYNAR" anything you recognize?

23:12 <tpw_rules> like it's gotta be a manufacturer ID burned into ROM or something

23:12 <skippypaws> nope

23:12 <tpw_rules> so maybe synar is the chip that does the usb <-> dp/hdmi interface in the dock or whatever

23:12 <tpw_rules> doesn't turn up anything on google

23:13 <skippypaws> i did update the display firmware on my usb dock a few weeks ago, so it could've been that :)

23:13 <tpw_rules> sounds plausible

23:13 <tpw_rules> (and cursed)

23:13 <skippypaws> wow! i love hardware

23:13 <nicolas17> why are computers

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23:15 <tpw_rules> and also i thiiiiink xml you're not allowed to have characters < 32 (except \r \n \t)

23:15 <tpw_rules> so that's why expat barfs, it's in the right and apple didn't escape

23:16 <skippypaws> gotcha

23:16 <skippypaws> … FB time?

23:22 <skippypaws> also found it in IORegistryExplorer. it doesn't let you search by property value for whatever reason https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VX7KmDch/2023_11_09-03-22-22-PM.png

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23:41 <skippypaws> ok, so <string>SYNAR</string> is malformed XML too

23:41 <skippypaws> parser also barfs on it, i guess that codepoint just isn't allowed

23:41 <skippypaws> not sure what to write in my FB now :) or what Asahi should do, if anything (it's not Asahi's fault, anyways)

23:42 <nicolas17> yes, that character is just not allowed in an XML text node no matter how you escape it ._.

23:42 <skippypaws> i can take a shot at contacting the vendor i suppose (although would it be display vendor or dock vendor? idk)

23:42 <nicolas17> asahi could strip out that character before feeding it into the XML parser but that's a workaround/hack

23:42 <skippypaws> yup

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